Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!

[hrdboild]

What do we give up for him?

According to last year’s rumors,

The Raptors turned down two 1st round picks for him AND three 1st round picks. They apparently want two promising players on team friendly deals + 1 draft pick.

Without giving up Keegan, the only thing I can think of is maybe Huerter, Davion, Colby, and two 1st round picks, but I don’t even think that’s enough. Huerter is young, but he an NBA vet. Davion is older and has struggled getting minutes for us this year. Colby is a young rookie, but his value is only high to the Kings and he doesn’t have real NBA production to back it up.

Our trade package would be 1 starter, fringe backup PG, and a 2nd round rookie. Not sure that’s enough for Toronto to bite even when the two first round picks attached. You might need two years of pick swaps too.

Either you want Keegan or you want OG. I don’t see the Raptors changing their stance. Masai is stubborn and would rather let OG walk in FA if it means teams don’t meet his demands.

I'm not sure if this is entirely true. Masai turned down multiple first round picks last year which was when OG had a full season left on his contract. The asking price has to come down now. It just has to. There's no bargaining leverage there for Toronto and most potential bidders have no picks left to trade and obviously need to keep their best players for this year's playoffs.

Losing OG for nothing is technically an option but I don't even know if Masai has enough job security at this point to withstand the heat he would get for choosing that option. Which is why I think it's most likely he gets re-signed for whatever his asking price is and they just deal with the ramifications later. The only potential wrinkle that could make the OG pursuit interesting is if Anunoby himself announces that he wants out of Toronto after this season and won't re-sign there for any amount. That would almost certainly cost him a lot of money though.

 

[206Fan]

I'm not sure if this is entirely true. Masai turned down multiple first round picks last year which was when OG had a full season left on his contract. The asking price has to come down now. It just has to. There's no bargaining leverage there for Toronto and most potential bidders have no picks left to trade and obviously need to keep their best players for this year's playoffs.

Losing OG for nothing is technically an option but I don't even know if Masai has enough job security at this point to withstand the heat he would get for choosing that option. Which is why I think it's most likely he gets re-signed for whatever his asking price is and they just deal with the ramifications later. The only potential wrinkle that could make the OG pursuit interesting is if Anunoby himself announces that he wants out of Toronto after this season and won't re-sign there for any amount. That would almost certainly cost him a lot of money though.

In regards to Toronto re-signing OG, I think it comes down to whether or not he values $$$ over selecting his own team. If he signs an extension to be traded, he might give the Raptors a list of a suitors, but they don't have to keep their promises, and it would really stronghold OG's destination team to get a deal done. Even if OG re-signs with Toronto, he will always be in the rumor mill because it doesn't seem like they are very committed to him long-term.

The Raptors are risking losing OG for nothing if he chooses to walk, but Masai has shown that he can be just that petty. Held onto Lowry past the trade deadline and ended up doing a S&T in the offseason with Miami for Precious and Dragic..... they ended up flipping Dragic AND a 1st round pick for Thad Young later on.. Here were the same reports at the trade deadline:

"For Philadelphia, they are permitted to trade '21 and '23 first-round picks - this year's pick and 2023 - plus they have Tyrese Maxey, their young guard out of Kentucky, and Thybulle, Matisse Thybulle. Toronto, they would like all of those pieces. From what I've been told, Philly has not been willing to put that whole package in there."
https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.c...-lowry-asking-price-drove-sixers-away/180076/

They declined to be reasonable during trade talks for Kyle Lowry and ended up holding onto him for Precious Achiuwa... that's a huge L.

We saw almost the same thing play out with Fred VanVleet, except Masai fumbled it worse. Masai was being completely unreasonable during the trade deadline and decided to hold onto FVV going into the offseason believing that FVV would either resign with the Raptors OR they could do another S&T like they did with Lowry. FVV ends up leaving on his own to the Rockets and the Raptors get nothing.

Now he has both OG and Siakam as pending UFAs.

 

[dude12]

In regards to Toronto re-signing OG, I think it comes down to whether or not he values $$$ over selecting his own team. If he signs an extension to be traded, he might give the Raptors a list of a suitors, but they don't have to keep their promises, and it would really stronghold OG's destination team to get a deal done. Even if OG re-signs with Toronto, he will always be in the rumor mill because it doesn't seem like they are very committed to him long-term.

The Raptors are risking losing OG for nothing if he chooses to walk, but Masai has shown that he can be just that petty. Held onto Lowry past the trade deadline and ended up doing a S&T in the offseason with Miami for Precious and Dragic..... they ended up flipping Dragic AND a 1st round pick for Thad Young later on.. Here were the same reports at the trade deadline:

They declined to be reasonable during trade talks for Kyle Lowry and ended up holding onto him for Precious Achiuwa... that's a huge L.

We saw almost the same thing play out with Fred VanVleet, except Masai fumbled it worse. Masai was being completely unreasonable during the trade deadline and decided to hold onto FVV going into the offseason believing that FVV would either resign with the Raptors OR they could do another S&T like they did with Lowry. FVV ends up leaving on his own to the Rockets and the Raptors get nothing.

Now he has both OG and Siakam as pending UFAs.

Didn’t Houston kill any Toronto chance of matching by giving FVV a $40M per year short term deal? Masai has been making mistakes for awhile now

 

[ick300]

Honestly I don't see anything in Sasha that we would keep him over getting an all star player. He would be a salary filler instead of a useful piece in a trade package at the moment. The Euro MVP doesn't have a appeal to other NBA teams. He is no Luka Doncic.

I don't think we will trade for Lavine either. His salary and his position doesn't suit our need.

Well I might not be objective , but I think with the time (if he has such) you will see something in Vesenkov.
At that time with few exceptions Kings are playing delightful basketball and I don’t see the point in giving 3/4 players to get a “star” just for the idea to get such …
For example Harden and his “I am the game plan” and that is …

 

[hrdboild]

In regards to Toronto re-signing OG, I think it comes down to whether or not he values $$$ over selecting his own team. If he signs an extension to be traded, he might give the Raptors a list of a suitors, but they don't have to keep their promises, and it would really stronghold OG's destination team to get a deal done. Even if OG re-signs with Toronto, he will always be in the rumor mill because it doesn't seem like they are very committed to him long-term.

The Raptors are risking losing OG for nothing if he chooses to walk, but Masai has shown that he can be just that petty. Held onto Lowry past the trade deadline and ended up doing a S&T in the offseason with Miami for Precious and Dragic..... they ended up flipping Dragic AND a 1st round pick for Thad Young later on.. Here were the same reports at the trade deadline:

They declined to be reasonable during trade talks for Kyle Lowry and ended up holding onto him for Precious Achiuwa... that's a huge L.

We saw almost the same thing play out with Fred VanVleet, except Masai fumbled it worse. Masai was being completely unreasonable during the trade deadline and decided to hold onto FVV going into the offseason believing that FVV would either resign with the Raptors OR they could do another S&T like they did with Lowry. FVV ends up leaving on his own to the Rockets and the Raptors get nothing.

Now he has both OG and Siakam as pending UFAs.

OG stands to make a lot more money signing an extension with Toronto than he does in free agency with any other team if he opts out. I agree that Toronto hasn't made much of an effort to get him more involved in the offense and it's quite clear they're building around Scottie Barnes who effectively plays the same position. There's no reason other than $$$ for him to re-sign there. But it may ultimately benefit both parties for OG to get his money with Toronto while they continue shopping him over the next few seasons. Masai has cap space to burn this off-season and OG is by far his most valuable trade chip so letting him go for nothing, in this case, seems unlikely to me.

With regard to Philly, the assumption was that Toronto balked at the package or the Sixers didn't want to give up the picks but it could be they had some indication that Tyrese Maxey was worth hanging on to and pulled out of the deal. Clearly they dodged a bullet there.

The Rockets going HAM in the off-season for 29 year old Fred VanVleet remains one of the most inexplicably terrible front office decisions I have ever seen even if they are off to an unexpected hot start. It's hard to fault Masai for not seeing that one coming.

I would be shocked if Siakam is back in Toronto next year. He had his time as a #1 option and just wasn't quite at that level. At this point he doesn't fit their timeline and unlike OG, whatever contract he signs for is unlikely to return comparable value in trade. He'll be looking for a good fit in free agency and/or one last big pay day and he's the guy Toronto is likely to shop mid-season as he at least will return value for a playoff team looking for an immediate boost.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I wish we could pry Lauri from the Jazz. He is going to be 27 this year and is probably best suited to be a 3rd star or second if the first star is good enough. Jazz don’t have that guy and might not be bad enough to draft at the very top. They probably need to bottom out and take two cracks at the top of the draft and then package picks and tradable contracts. Lauri could be 28 or 29 before they even make the playoffs again. Could be longer. Doesn’t seem like he fits their most likely timeline.

 

[Dongoodboy]

I wish we could pry Lauri from the Jazz. He is going to be 27 this year and is probably best suited to be a 3rd star or second if the first star is good enough. Jazz don’t have that guy and might not be bad enough to draft at the very top. They probably need to bottom out and take two cracks at the top of the draft and then package picks and tradable contracts. Lauri could be 28 or 29 before they even make the playoffs again. Could be longer. Doesn’t seem like he fits their most likely timeline.

Good idea except there is Danny Ainge in their FO

 

[KingsFanSince85]

I wish we could pry Lauri from the Jazz. He is going to be 27 this year and is probably best suited to be a 3rd star or second if the first star is good enough. Jazz don’t have that guy and might not be bad enough to draft at the very top. They probably need to bottom out and take two cracks at the top of the draft and then package picks and tradable contracts. Lauri could be 28 or 29 before they even make the playoffs again. Could be longer. Doesn’t seem like he fits their most likely timeline.

+1

Markkanen is a player to be super excited about wrt a potential KINGS trade. Doubtful they could get him for a reasonable price, but that’s a much better target than several of the other names I’ve seen floated around. I’d actually be pissed if the KINGS actually traded for one of them.

 

[Joshoua]

What do we give up for him?

According to last year’s rumors,

The Raptors turned down two 1st round picks for him AND three 1st round picks. They apparently want two promising players on team friendly deals + 1 draft pick.

Without giving up Keegan, the only thing I can think of is maybe Huerter, Davion, Colby, and two 1st round picks, but I don’t even think that’s enough. Huerter is young, but he an NBA vet. Davion is older and has struggled getting minutes for us this year. Colby is a young rookie, but his value is only high to the Kings and he doesn’t have real NBA production to back it up.

Our trade package would be 1 starter, fringe backup PG, and a 2nd round rookie. Not sure that’s enough for Toronto to bite even when the two first round picks attached. You might need two years of pick swaps too.

Either you want Keegan or you want OG. I don’t see the Raptors changing their stance. Masai is stubborn and would rather let OG walk in FA if it means teams don’t meet his demands.

this is clown talk nobody will offer three first round picks let alone adding you players to pay a role player 30 mill in six months. Let Toronto keep him

 

[Joshoua]

I wish we could pry Lauri from the Jazz. He is going to be 27 this year and is probably best suited to be a 3rd star or second if the first star is good enough. Jazz don’t have that guy and might not be bad enough to draft at the very top. They probably need to bottom out and take two cracks at the top of the draft and then package picks and tradable contracts. Lauri could be 28 or 29 before they even make the playoffs again. Could be longer. Doesn’t seem like he fits their most likely timeline.

Id rather focus on getting a 3D big wing we can’t show up to Dallas/Pheonix/Denver with a front court of Sabonis and Lauri. We’d get touched by there guards especially down the stretch

 

[Tetsujin]

Id rather focus on getting a 3D big wing we can’t show up to Dallas/Pheonix/Denver with a front court of Sabonis and Lauri. We’d get touched by there guards especially down the stretch

Yeah, putting a Sabonis/Lauri front court out on the floor would require Keegan continuing to devote all his energy to becoming a defensive stud (a definite possibility) and/or starting Kessler Edwards to have him take on the guy Lauri can't.

The Brooklyn Nets continue to be trending down so I feel like one of their wings like Dorian Finney-Smith is an increasingly viable target especially considering we know Monte and Sean Marks have made trades with each other before (the Kessler trade). (The dream scenario would of course be the Nets getting confused and accidentally trading us Mikal Bridges but that's not happening.)


Another cheaper option (unfortunately he's on the Raptors so it might be hard to trade for him) that we know works in Mike Brown's system is Otto Porter Jr, who is still sorta coming off of injury and relatedly out of the Raptors' rotation. Plus he's an expiring so if he doesn't work out he's not going to burden our roster for years on end.

Davion for Otto Porter works straight up and would actually help balance the Raptors roster quite a bit by giving them a younger point guard to play with Barnes/Dick/whoever in the case of a rebuild. Masai would probably require more than just that though.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Id rather focus on getting a 3D big wing we can’t show up to Dallas/Pheonix/Denver with a front court of Sabonis and Lauri. We’d get touched by there guards especially down the stretch

Lauri played surprisingly well at the 3 for Cleveland. He’s not a plus defender but he’s got great size and could hold his own imo.

 

[206Fan]

I wish we could pry Lauri from the Jazz. He is going to be 27 this year and is probably best suited to be a 3rd star or second if the first star is good enough. Jazz don’t have that guy and might not be bad enough to draft at the very top. They probably need to bottom out and take two cracks at the top of the draft and then package picks and tradable contracts. Lauri could be 28 or 29 before they even make the playoffs again. Could be longer. Doesn’t seem like he fits their most likely timeline.

The Jazz likely view Lauri as a franchise player, and I don't think we would have enough to get him even if we included Keegan in any trade proposals. Regarding age, him and Keegs are only 3 year apart. I don't think his age is a huge deterrent for them. They seem content with trying to win games while pushing Keyonte George to develop like Donovan Mitchell. It looks like Ainge is trying to build a winning culture before he throws all of his young players into the fire. Hendricks and Sensabaugh have been getting DNPs.

 

[MizzouKing]

if J Grant and J Poole got the max, best believe OG is getting it

While it’s frustrating when a team maxes out a guy and takes him off the table, there’s also a great satisfaction in knowing that team is now less able to make a killer move that brings them higher on the ladder of contention. Less competition for US!

 

[twslam07]

if J Grant and J Poole got the max, best believe OG is getting it

But they didn’t get the max.

Poole was eligible for $34.0 mil in his first year and got $27.5 mil (19% lower than the max). Grant was eligible for $40.8 mil in his first year and got $27.6 mil (32% lower than the max).

If Anunoby gets the max next off-season, he’ll be making $42.6 mil in his first year. That’s considerably more than those two guys.

 

[iowamcnabb]

The Jazz likely view Lauri as a franchise player, and I don't think we would have enough to get him even if we included Keegan in any trade proposals. Regarding age, him and Keegs are only 3 year apart. I don't think his age is a huge deterrent for them. They seem content with trying to win games while pushing Keyonte George to develop like Donovan Mitchell. It looks like Ainge is trying to build a winning culture before he throws all of his young players into the fire. Hendricks and Sensabaugh have been getting DNPs.

Yeh I don’t think they trade him, more wishful thinking on my part. Unless they make a big trade, Utah seems destined to be glued to the bottom 3 or 4 of the West for the next few years. They have talent and assets but the West is rough.

 

[sactowndog]

Yeh I don’t think they trade him, more wishful thinking on my part. Unless they make a big trade, Utah seems destined to be glued to the bottom 3 or 4 of the West for the next few years. They have talent and assets but the West is rough.

yeah not stealing Lauri from Ainge…..

we had 3 chances to get a defensive wing…..

1) when we traded Hali. Someone I knew claims no one knew we were trading Hali and we could have gotten more

2) this summer in free agency but we would have had to overspend.

3) had we traded Barnes to Boston and semi tanked as both Kuminga and Wagner would have been on the board. 1 more loss would have secured one of them in place of Davion.

going to be really hard to do it at this point. We really need Edwards to get proficient from the corner 3

 

[The_Jamal]

yeah not stealing Lauri from Ainge…..

we had 3 chances to get a defensive wing…..

1) when we traded Hali. Someone I knew claims no one knew we were trading Hali and we could have gotten more

2) this summer in free agency but we would have had to overspend.

3) had we traded Barnes to Boston and semi tanked as both Kuminga and Wagner would have been on the board. 1 more loss would have secured one of them in place of Davion.

going to be really hard to do it at this point. We really need Edwards to get proficient from the corner 3

We have a defensive wing in Keegan. That much is pretty clear from this season.

 

[The_Jamal]

We have a defensive wing in Keegan. That much is pretty clear from this season.

Just one data point but:

Kings DRtg with Keegan on (431 minutes): 112
Kings DRtg with Keegan off (300 minutes): 119

Whenever you see a gaudy split like that with a huge sample, you have to take note. And if you're watching the games, it's very easy to see the tremendous impact Keegan has had on elite offensive ball-handlers.

 

[Tetsujin]

yeah not stealing Lauri from Ainge…..

we had 3 chances to get a defensive wing…..

1) when we traded Hali. Someone I knew claims no one knew we were trading Hali and we could have gotten more

2) this summer in free agency but we would have had to overspend.

3) had we traded Barnes to Boston and semi tanked as both Kuminga and Wagner would have been on the board. 1 more loss would have secured one of them in place of Davion.

going to be really hard to do it at this point. We really need Edwards to get proficient from the corner 3

is this the same guy you said claimed Monte was doing a terrible job and then Monte got GM of the year like a few weeks later by any chance?

 

[Pacboy]

is this the same guy you said claimed Monte was doing a terrible job and then Monte got GM of the year like a few weeks later by any chance?

Are we talking about Kb02?

 

[sactowndog]

We have a defensive wing in Keegan. That much is pretty clear from this season.

yes and no. I don’t think you want him expending all that energy on D. I think his relatively down shooting is from that effort.

 

[sactowndog]

is this the same guy you said claimed Monte was doing a terrible job and then Monte got GM of the year like a few weeks later by any chance?

no a person in an NBA front office. KB just thought he was. And I don’t recall saying that. I did say he didn’t like Sabonis at all. Said he couldn’t play in the play-offs. Sadly so far he is not wrong.

 

[sactowndog]

Just one data point but:

Kings DRtg with Keegan on (431 minutes): 112
Kings DRtg with Keegan off (300 minutes): 119

Whenever you see a gaudy split like that with a huge sample, you have to take note. And if you're watching the games, it's very easy to see the tremendous impact Keegan has had on elite offensive ball-handlers.

I’m not disputing his effectiveness as a defender. I just think you need his energy on offense.

 

[Tetsujin]

no a person in an NBA front office. KB just thought he was. And I don’t recall saying that. I did say he didn’t like Sabonis at all. Said he couldn’t play in the play-offs. Sadly so far he is not wrong.

So is this the same guy as the unemployed front office friend from before or another front office guy you happen to know?

 

[SacTownKid]

I’m not disputing his effectiveness as a defender. I just think you need his energy on offense.

Maybe not if Monte can land another 20 ppg scorer that can get theirs outside of a set offense to fit next to the Murray, Fox, Domas connection. Murray steering away from being a franchise level guy offensively and being one of the rare multi-positional defenders at F that can knock down 3's in motion is a rarer find than a 2nd/3rd option 20 ppg scorer even if right now the main need is that scorer so Fox can coast a little more.

 

[The_Jamal]

yes and no. I don’t think you want him expending all that energy on D. I think his relatively down shooting is from that effort.

Possibly. But Keegan is showing a far more advanced move-set on offense (getting to the rim, FAR more comfortable off the dribble) and has been jailing the other teams best perimeter player basically every game. Not a coincidence in that first NOP game that Ingram just went crazy in the 2nd half when Keegan got hurt. It's just the shooting hasn't been good this year, which, he was the best rookie ever at, so I'm not going to be too concerned with the shooting struggles of his 16 games so far this year.

And why wouldn't we want him expending that energy on D? He's been absolutely incredible at it and with him in the LU, our defense has basically been average. Which is a christmas miracle in the landscape of the Kings franchise. That level of defense is how superstars are made. He of course has to show he can do it on both ends, consistently, but the fact we're even getting this level of defensive production is a massive win in itself.

 

[The_Jamal]

Maybe not if Monte can land another 20 ppg scorer that can get theirs outside of a set offense to fit next to the Murray, Fox, Domas connection. Murray steering away from being a franchise level guy offensively and being one of the rare multi-positional defenders at F that can knock down 3's in motion is a rarer find than a 2nd/3rd option 20 ppg scorer even if right now the main need is that scorer so Fox can coast a little more.

We're scoring 125.2 PPG in wins this year. Scoring is not this teams issue.

We of course fall off a cliff without Fox in the LU... but.. so? Isn't that the case with every team with a superstar? Why would we build contingencies to cover if our best chance at winning a title isn't playing? Every team has a finite number of resources to build a roster. Those should be going towards maximizing the Fox/Domas duo to their fullest capacity.

 

[dude12]

I see someone is embarrassing themselves with old stuff.
I’ll say this one again too. Certain people continually lambasted Fox when the team wasn’t good. Now Monte has 2 all-stars on the team including Fox who is emerging as an MVP candidate.
Give me Fox and Sabonis over Haliburton and Hield……damn man, it’s not close.

How is the OMax and Holmes acquisitions going for Dallas? LOL

 

[kingsboi]

But they didn’t get the max.

Poole was eligible for $34.0 mil in his first year and got $27.5 mil (19% lower than the max). Grant was eligible for $40.8 mil in his first year and got $27.6 mil (32% lower than the max).

If Anunoby gets the max next off-season, he’ll be making $42.6 mil in his first year. That’s considerably more than those two guys.

fair point. thank you for the correction. perhaps I should of used the words "near max" instead.