[Game] Kings vs. Warriors, 10/27/2023 7pm Pacific 10pm Eastern (ESPN)

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Mr. S£im Citrus

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I mean, I appreciate Fox showing leadership and having his teammate's back, but what else could he have said? Was he supposed to go Rick Martel at WrestleMania 5?
 
I think there might be too much pressure on Keegan to be our 3rd guy. He’s a streaky shooter too. A lot of power in his shot which causes lots of rim outs. As an on-ball scorer, he’s not doing much. 4TOs was bad. He’s not our main problem tonight, but his inconsistent scoring killed us throughout the game when we needed a bucket.

Huerter has to go. I called it last season… we need someone better. He’s lost all confidence from 3pt and is one of the worst defenders in the league and I don’t think it’s being dramatic.

Time is ticking on Davion. He was unplayable tonight like Kevin. Cost us on both ends by being too lax on offense, but too over-aggressive on defense.

Mike Brown coached a poor game. Why did he play Huerter on Curry in the 1st? Fox was on the bench when Curry went nuclear on us and it went into a double digit deficit. Why did Brown wait so long to put him in? 3 fouls is a lame excuse. He didn’t play Sasha enough minutes. Our offense went into a huge drought and he only played 12mins? The lack of challenge at the end was awful.

Defense as a whole was dreadful.
I think you answered your own question.

as for Sabonis the Warriors didn’t respect his outside shot and dropped off him while overplaying our wings. It’s a scheme we are going to see over and over unless Sabonis can make teams respect his shooting. It’s the point Kevin OConnor and others have made repeatedly in the off season.

Davion has to be better on offense because we desperately need his defense on Curry. Fox can’t do it all.
 
Time to revist my "Malik Monk is actually just Zach Lavine/Brad Beal in disguise" idea from last off-season. His ability to be a playmaker from the 2 spot, put pressure on the defense with him attacking the rim and being able to space it out off of Domas/Fox if it calls for it IS what that 3rd guy in this offense should be. And it lets Keegan continue to grow naturally into a 20 PPG scorer, rather than just force it on him if he's not ready.

0-5 Huerter
0-2 Davion
1-7 Duarte
4-5 from HB, but 1-4 from the FT line and we just need someone who's far more willing to take on an offensive scoring role.

That was your game right there.
I don't know about this take.. I feel like his defense is just too awful to be starting. He's like a short Kevin, but at least Kevin tries. Monk doesn't put enough effort on that end imo. In today's league where you have jumbo PGs, having two 6'3 185lb guards in your backcourt is a recipe for disaster when you've got no plus defenders in the lineup nor any type of rim protection.

Monk is a very erratic player. I don't think I'm ready for 30mins of Monk lol
 

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Time to revist my "Malik Monk is actually just Zach Lavine/Brad Beal in disguise" idea from last off-season. His ability to be a playmaker from the 2 spot, put pressure on the defense with him attacking the rim and being able to space it out off of Domas/Fox if it calls for it IS what that 3rd guy in this offense should be. And it lets Keegan continue to grow naturally into a 20 PPG scorer, rather than just force it on him if he's not ready.

0-5 Huerter
0-2 Davion
1-7 Duarte
4-5 from HB, but 1-4 from the FT line and we just need someone who's far more willing to take on an offensive scoring role.

That was your game right there.
It's a wake-up call to Monte and Brown. Something has to change. This wasn't some fluke due to the poor shooting of three players. The Kings got punked on their home floor and I'd rather for the two aforementioned be slapped in the face with it at the beginning of the season than have some epiphany at mid-season.
 
I don't know about this take.. I feel like his defense is just too awful to be starting. He's like a short Kevin, but at least Kevin tries. Monk doesn't put enough effort on that end imo. In today's league where you have jumbo PGs, having two 6'3 185lb guards in your backcourt is a recipe for disaster when you've got no plus defenders in the lineup nor any type of rim protection.

Monk is a very erratic player. I don't think I'm ready for 30mins of Monk lol
Monk got better d than hueter. At least he gets a highlight block or steal every once in a while
 
I think you answered your own question.

as for Sabonis the Warriors didn’t respect his outside shot and dropped off him while overplaying our wings. It’s a scheme we are going to see over and over unless Sabonis can make teams respect his shooting. It’s the point Kevin OConnor and others have made repeatedly in the off season.

Davion has to be better on offense because we desperately need his defense on Curry. Fox can’t do it all.
At this point, I really don't know why anyone expects Sabonis to be a 3pt shooter. It's his 8th year in the league and he has NEVER hit that shot with any type of consistency nor good percentage. People need to just accept that he's a non-shooter. When we decided to pair Fox and Sabonis, we knew that this would be the tradeoff. I know Fox made 5/9 3s, but both players will always be liabilities from 3pt and teams will give them those shots all day long.

Fox can't really do it all, but he only played heavy minutes tonight because we needed him the entire 4th quarter. If we had put him in a lot earlier, he probably would've gotten some rest in the 4th quarter, and still end up with the same amount of minutes played.
 
At this point, I really don't know why anyone expects Sabonis to be a 3pt shooter. It's his 8th year in the league and he has NEVER hit that shot with any type of consistency nor good percentage. People need to just accept that he's a non-shooter. When we decided to pair Fox and Sabonis, we knew that this would be the tradeoff. I know Fox made 5/9 3s, but both players will always be liabilities from 3pt and teams will give them those shots all day long.

Fox can't really do it all, but he only played heavy minutes tonight because we needed him the entire 4th quarter. If we had put him in a lot earlier, he probably would've gotten some rest in the 4th quarter, and still end up with the same amount of minutes played.
Lopez became a 3pt shooter. It can happen
 
Would like to see brown give Colby Jones a shot if Davion/Huerter/Duarte continue to play not so good.
I think we needed him tonight because Huerter couldn't do anything, and then we saw Davion struggle a lot. Duarte's shot also wasn't falling.. would've been good to see what the rookie had in his tank.
 
Welp, that ship has sailed. Everyone ready to ship Huerter away after 2 games LOL.
Bro he was awful for times last year too and completely disappeared in the playoffs what do you mean 2 games does last year and the playoffs not count?

I get you keep trying to defend him but the guy can't buy a bucket and there's enough history to be concerned.
 

Tetsujin

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You know what? Maybe.

But seriously, though, agreed. I'm never going to begrudge an all-time great being cocky.
Steph doesn't act any differently from the guys like JR Smith or Swaggy P or Buddy Hield or any of those "shooters gonna shoot" dudes who walk away without seeing if the ball actually went in or not. The only difference is he's actually good at basketball.
 
Lopez became a 3pt shooter. It can happen
With Lopez, it's entirely different. He never even tried to be a 3pt shooter for the first 8 years of his career because he didn't need to. it was his 9th year when he decided to add the 3pt shot to his game, and he's been hitting them consistently every year after at a decent rate.

With Sabonis, he's been trying to add the 3pt shot to his game every year since he's joined the league. However, he has never been able to get the shot down consistently.

It's not happening unfortunately.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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he can, he just probably shouldn’t. You don’t see Giannis or Joker or Lebron etc acting like that.
That thing, specifically? No, but LeBron absolutely has his own "taunt package," if you'll allow me to mangle some gaming terminology.

And Giannis could quite simply be a matter of a lack of creativity: I don't know why all that flexing he does doesn't "count" to you, but it does to me. The only players I see out there with a complete lack of emotion and/or bombast are Jokic and Leonard, and you're never going to have me pointing to those guys as the standard. What works for them, works for them; it doesn't have to be any more or any less than that.
 

Tetsujin

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Bro he was awful for times last year too and completely disappeared in the playoffs what do you mean 2 games does last year and the playoffs not count?

I get you keep trying to defend him but the guy can't buy a bucket and there's enough history to be concerned.
There's also enough history to not be concerned. Huerter's always been an incredibly streaky player. Hell, last season he started the year looking like red headed Steph. He's been bad from the field to start the year but the reason Mike Brown has been so hard on him on improving his defense is precisely because the team believes in and accepts his streaky nature and wants to figure out a way to have him contribute when the shot isn't falling.
 
Steph doesn't act any differently from the guys like JR Smith or Swaggy P or Buddy Hield or any of those "shooters gonna shoot" dudes who walk away without seeing if the ball actually went in or not. The only difference is he's actually good at basketball.
The guys you listed are all knuckleheads. I can’t think of too many all time greats that openly mock fans and celebrate every score like it’s their first.
 
That thing, specifically? No, but LeBron absolutely has his own "taunt package," if you'll allow me to mangle some gaming terminology.

And Giannis could quite simply be a matter of a lack of creativity: I don't know why all that flexing he does doesn't "count" to you, but it does to me. The only players I see out there with a complete lack of emotion and/or bombast are Jokic and Leonard, and you're never going to have me pointing to those guys as the standard. What works for them, works for them; it doesn't have to be any more or any less than that.
none of those actions are directed at fans. There is a difference between a celebration and a mock and Steph is firmly in the mock camp for me.
 
Bro he was awful for times last year too and completely disappeared in the playoffs what do you mean 2 games does last year and the playoffs not count?

I get you keep trying to defend him but the guy can't buy a bucket and there's enough history to be concerned.
He had by far his best season as a pro last year in the regular season. People just blindly forgetting how good he is, is damn shameful. And he's been a starting-caliber NBA player his entire career.

Of course, he was garbage in the playoffs. I talked about that extensively during the off-season. So no, I don't give a crap about 2 bad games. He's got damn near 300+ games of him being excellent and 75 games of him being damn good in a Kings uni. Outside of the playoffs last year, what "history" of him being bad is there? In an actual large sample?

Sucks Kings fans always have to have a scapegoat to lump all their problems on. If we move on from him, it's not because he "sucks" or "isn't a starting caliber NBA player". It's to rebalance the starting 5 and add a more premium defender to the grouping/core.
 
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