Kings trade Richaun Holmes and 24th overall pick to Mavericks for ????
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Please, no Kuzma. I rather have Cam Johnson than Kuzma. If the Kings is unable to address their issue, which is length, rebounding and defend...that could spell trouble come next year. DO NOT forget that the Kings team defense is a huge problem due to lack of size and they constantly have to play hard to defend well. This is because they have players that aren't good at defending like Huerter and Keegan. Barnes and Sabonis aint' that much better either as far team defense. There is no question they need length for rebounding, shot blocking and the ability to help defense and the ONLY position to be able to upgrade is to replace Barnes. At this point, I have no idea who in the free agency that can help them. I see some players that ain't that much better if we do sign them...such as Jeremi. The one player that I like is Siakum or OG Anunuby but do the Raptors want to trade him? Would trading Mitchell + 1st round entice them? Would that be enough? Then we can use the money to sign a backup PG like Bruce Brown but Kolby Jones ain't that bad from what I seen so far.
And so am I.
He’s nowhere close to being a worse contract than the two examples I provided (and several others I didn’t cite).
I mean, just consider the most basic of math. Holmes is due less than 25M the next 2 seasons. The two examples I cited made almost TWICE as much as that in just ONE season.
Even if you include what Holmes made last season, the 36M on that contract over 3 seasons is 11M LESS than Wall’s salary last season and still less than what Simmons will make this season.
C’mon bro. Be real. Holmes contract isn’t even close to as bad.
He’s nowhere close to being a worse contract than the two examples I provided (and several others I didn’t cite).
I mean, just consider the most basic of math. Holmes is due less than 25M the next 2 seasons. The two examples I cited made almost TWICE as much as that in just ONE season.
Even if you include what Holmes made last season, the 36M on that contract over 3 seasons is 11M LESS than Wall’s salary last season and still less than what Simmons will make this season.
C’mon bro. Be real. Holmes contract isn’t even close to as bad.
The Kings are media darlings right now, just like in times passed. People see us making moves after a successful (per our terms) and exciting season and they wanna be the first to break it and say I told you so.
There's smoke, but only because Monte is sending out smoke signals. They don't know what those say any more than we do. Which is why I love Monte.
On another note, it shows why Fox and Haliburton wanted to be in Sac so bad. They knew that when it got turned around it was going to be epic. Imagine the wave Fox is riding right now because of it. All Star, All NBA, broke the drought. Had his kid. Got his partner (Sabonis) and wingman (Monk) and understudy (Keegan).
Now imagine you are Haliburton watching all this. Ouch.
There's smoke, but only because Monte is sending out smoke signals. They don't know what those say any more than we do. Which is why I love Monte.
On another note, it shows why Fox and Haliburton wanted to be in Sac so bad. They knew that when it got turned around it was going to be epic. Imagine the wave Fox is riding right now because of it. All Star, All NBA, broke the drought. Had his kid. Got his partner (Sabonis) and wingman (Monk) and understudy (Keegan).
Now imagine you are Haliburton watching all this. Ouch.
I'm in the "they haven't even seen our true form yet" camp!
Healthy Domas, healthy Fox and year two Keegan is gonna be NASTY... Not to mention another offseason learning from the CoTY.
I reckon the truth lies between my reawakened Homerism and your steady SLABian pessimism... but probably a moot point anyways. One doesn't free up this much cap just to run it back.
Healthy Domas, healthy Fox and year two Keegan is gonna be NASTY... Not to mention another offseason learning from the CoTY.
I reckon the truth lies between my reawakened Homerism and your steady SLABian pessimism... but probably a moot point anyways. One doesn't free up this much cap just to run it back.
I could see us being a better team and still have fewer wins. The NBA is so full of talent right now that nearly every team could be competitive next year. There won’t be 4 easy wins in Houston next year. San Antonio will actually be trying to win. Okc could really improve. The Jazz got better. Blazers might suck but maybe they make a big trade, they seem to think they can. It’s awesome for the NBA. Luck, health and chemistry might end up having more impact than in the past going forward
The problem with all that is that in free agency, teams generally need to offer more than any other team out there. So setting a reasonable salary on any of those free agents, especially the restricted ones rules you our of the running before you even take the next step.
Nets are said to be comfortable in matching anything up to $100m on Johnson which is essentially $25m per season. Sure there is a lot of posturing happening at this time of the year but generally speaking, free agents are signed to inflated salaries if they are moving away from their current teams. Its the price that teams pay for not losing any other trade capital except cap space.
Kuzma will get more than $20m so will Barnes, so will Johnson etc. Kuzma may actually be ccloser to $25+m per season than $20m.
Nets are said to be comfortable in matching anything up to $100m on Johnson which is essentially $25m per season. Sure there is a lot of posturing happening at this time of the year but generally speaking, free agents are signed to inflated salaries if they are moving away from their current teams. Its the price that teams pay for not losing any other trade capital except cap space.
Kuzma will get more than $20m so will Barnes, so will Johnson etc. Kuzma may actually be ccloser to $25+m per season than $20m.
Yes and no.
Can only imagine the pressure on Monte. The league is built on the principle of "what have you done for me lately". There is a slew of COTYs who get fired within a couple of seasons of winning the awards and GMs who turn from darlings to nemesis. We had our Cinderella story. Now we need to take the next step. If we don't, or worse, fare worse than last year, the media and fans might turn pretty soon. We will also have a target on our back next year.
The risk of course is that Monte is forced to overpay for some player(s) to use the cap space. After trading the FRP, there is lots of pressure and expectation to not run it back. He also knows that this is the last chance to get a FA for the current version of the Kings. If he is unable to get the guy he has targeted, does he overpay other players in order to use the cap, and hope for trades later? Using the cap would be a smart move, overpaying, obviously not.
Easy for us armchair GMs to list our preferences, and the worth we assign to players. Let's see what we can land, particularly if the plan is to use part of the space to up Domas' salary, and bring back Lyles. We will need to get at least one more center (even if Neemias is ready to contribute), one starting PF/SF, and hopefully bring back Lyles. Given the requirements, the available space doesn't seem much (once we add up Domas' raise, Lyles' cap hold, and Neemias' QO, I guess we will have something like 20M to get a backup center, and a starting quality SF/PF). Sounds less in fact.
Can only imagine the pressure on Monte. The league is built on the principle of "what have you done for me lately". There is a slew of COTYs who get fired within a couple of seasons of winning the awards and GMs who turn from darlings to nemesis. We had our Cinderella story. Now we need to take the next step. If we don't, or worse, fare worse than last year, the media and fans might turn pretty soon. We will also have a target on our back next year.
The risk of course is that Monte is forced to overpay for some player(s) to use the cap space. After trading the FRP, there is lots of pressure and expectation to not run it back. He also knows that this is the last chance to get a FA for the current version of the Kings. If he is unable to get the guy he has targeted, does he overpay other players in order to use the cap, and hope for trades later? Using the cap would be a smart move, overpaying, obviously not.
Easy for us armchair GMs to list our preferences, and the worth we assign to players. Let's see what we can land, particularly if the plan is to use part of the space to up Domas' salary, and bring back Lyles. We will need to get at least one more center (even if Neemias is ready to contribute), one starting PF/SF, and hopefully bring back Lyles. Given the requirements, the available space doesn't seem much (once we add up Domas' raise, Lyles' cap hold, and Neemias' QO, I guess we will have something like 20M to get a backup center, and a starting quality SF/PF). Sounds less in fact.
There wasn’t 4 easy wins last year. Remember the controversial finish in Houston?
But there were 4 wins. And barring injuries I would expect the KINGS to win 3/4 this upcoming season if not all 4. Houston ain’t very good.
There’s a draft and FA period every single offseason. Yet not every team improves. And there will absolutely positively be 7 teams from the West in the lottery at the end of the season.
That said, I argued last season that the West was much deeper than the East and has been for a long while. Part of what made the West seem “down” in terms of teams not winning 50+ or 60+ games were all the games missed by the top stars of various teams. Between injuries and load management, it brought a bit more parity to the conference.
But there were 4 wins. And barring injuries I would expect the KINGS to win 3/4 this upcoming season if not all 4. Houston ain’t very good.
There’s a draft and FA period every single offseason. Yet not every team improves. And there will absolutely positively be 7 teams from the West in the lottery at the end of the season.
That said, I argued last season that the West was much deeper than the East and has been for a long while. Part of what made the West seem “down” in terms of teams not winning 50+ or 60+ games were all the games missed by the top stars of various teams. Between injuries and load management, it brought a bit more parity to the conference.
Sure injuries and aging stars played a role but I still think the NBA is more talented and teams are better informed than ever before. Houston will be better this year we just don’t know how much. They have 50 mil they have to spend and their young talent should get better. Coaching appears to be upgraded as well.
I agree. I think people will have to start getting used to these new figures. People keep comparing numbers to players' 2nd contracts that they signed years ago, but it's because they were limited to how much they can get. With the cap continually going up every year, max figures start to look different. Just looking at Fox's current contract, it seems like a steal. He was paid around 30.3million last year, and was only the 47th highest paid player in the league.
Other NBA players who currently make between $23million to $28million include: Terry Rozier, Anfernee Simons, John Collins, Julius Randle, and Jalen Brunson.
$25mpy is a lot, and probably the max for Cam, but I think it might just end up as the going rate for high level role players who are quality starters that can shoot and play defense.
Other NBA players who currently make between $23million to $28million include: Terry Rozier, Anfernee Simons, John Collins, Julius Randle, and Jalen Brunson.
$25mpy is a lot, and probably the max for Cam, but I think it might just end up as the going rate for high level role players who are quality starters that can shoot and play defense.
No Kuzma, No Jeremi Grant.
I rather Kings sign Barnes than Grant...Barnes is the better player overall imo.
Right now, I prefer Kings sign Cam Johnson if not Barnes...just to make the offense even more potent. I think maybe the Kings draft picks can help out with deficiency in defense. Cam Johnson for $25-30millions to pry away the NETS and HEAT offer. Yes, he's THAT GOOD!!!
I rather Kings sign Barnes than Grant...Barnes is the better player overall imo.
Right now, I prefer Kings sign Cam Johnson if not Barnes...just to make the offense even more potent. I think maybe the Kings draft picks can help out with deficiency in defense. Cam Johnson for $25-30millions to pry away the NETS and HEAT offer. Yes, he's THAT GOOD!!!
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Well, if $25M was 1/8 of the cap, then the cap would be $200M. Since the new CBA apparently has a smoothing mechanism to cap salary cap increases at 10% per year, the earliest the cap can possibly reach $200M (OK, $199M) is the '27-'28 season, 4 seasons away. And that's with max growth. The same percentage growth in cap that would be necessary to get to $200M has taken 7 years going backwards from today.
(BTW Sportrac has really quickly taken over as THE resource for salary/cap numbers, they're just killing it)
(BTW Sportrac has really quickly taken over as THE resource for salary/cap numbers, they're just killing it)