Kings reportedly involved in Brad Beal trade talks but not deep enough in to matter

[SacTownKid]

Beal’s ability to create would be something we could use for sure.
And he’s had a career of fantastic stats
But the exaggeration train in this thread is nuts.
Acquiring Beal doesn’t necessarily equal conference finals and or championship.
I don’t think anyone on here is saying he’s not a good player but you can’t separated player from the contract. That contract is Superbad.

I’m betting many on here believe that the Kings may be better off going the Nuggets model of keeping the team together and making improvements with high level role players. We have the Jokic and Murray and Porter roles filled with our 3. Aaron Gordon > HB is where we need to improve. And then we have more offensive oriented guys in Huerter, Monk where as Denver has the Brown and KCP defensive oriented guys.

Acquiring Beal seems more of a “chase a star to play with other stars move” which has been sketchy. Sheesh, this team already is a scoring machine. Playoffs are what’s important now you say? Yeah, agreed, I guarantee that playoff teams will sag the paint like the Warriors did and take away Domas, Fox and Beal and for whomever our 3 point shooters are to beat them. Beal won’t change that.

I for one am not going base my whole off-season on 1 playoff series against the Warriors and then say we need to make this move or that when GS was the one team that could score with us.

I think the Kings are close to making that deep playoff run and possibly winning the western conference. I think getting high level role players such as Gordon, KCP and a Bruce Brown will push this team over the top. And I do think Gordon is playing a role on the Nuggets after being a top option in Orlando. His defense from his position is something that would make us a real contender. Beal doesn’t do that.

Is Beal good? He is. But I have some serious doubts that he’s the answer and we will be hamstrung trying to get those high level role players.

Nothing does, but what something like this does do, and it doesn't have to be Beal per se but someone has to step up or come aboard, is that Fox has some pressure to carry taken off of him. In the playoffs he was a one man show and then Monk filled in here and there. That's not enough. We saw that. Maybe Huerter just had a bad run, maybe Keegan can put more than one game of production together next year, maybe Barnes will stay aggressive, maybe Sabonis just couldn't dominate because shots weren't going in from his teammates. Even in the season though, you can't have that kind of blob of shared shot distribution under Fox. The playoffs showed that. You need 2-3 guys that carry the load and the others are there when they deem them the option. That's almost every single contender from now to the beginning of modern times.

 

[SacTownKid]

“By that logic”……

Thanks, I needed the laugh.

Your rant barely touched upon one thing I discussed. If you really want to debate the effects of the new CBA, cool. Perhaps it won’t have the effect many are predicting.

But still doesn’t change the fact that even under current rules — the KINGS would he foolish to take on a 50M per, no-trade contract for a ONE way player that’s not named Stephen Wardell Curry. Especially given the assets they’d have to surrender for the “privilege“ of taking on that albatross contract.

And this coming from a Bradley Beal fan.

No it actually touched upon an exact correlation. If the Nuggets start prepping for the next CBA I'll question the Kings not doing so as well. I will not expect the NBA to not have every bit of the easing in they had with that last "the sky is falling" CBA. There will be outs. If not, then something really fishy that doesn't actually involve parity is going on.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Not that I’d particularly support this…but why not both Beal and Anunoby?

Kevin Huerter
Richaun Holmes
Malik Monk
Keegan Murray
Davion Mitchell
PJ Dozier

for

Bradley Beal
OG Anunoby

That works salary wise allowing us to keep our cap holds in place so we could still go over the cap to resign Barnes, Davis, & Lyles while also still having our $12.2 mil MLE.

I’d have to think about how the assets are distributed across the teams but Huerter, Monk, Murray, and Mitchell is a lot of value going out and we may be able to get away with keeping #24 and our future 1sts (still giving us a lot of flexibility to make future moves).

PG - Fox
SG - Beal / Davis
SF - Barnes / Edwards
PF - Anunoby / Lyles
C - Sabonis
Picks - #24 / #38 / #54
Exceptions - MLE

The team in the best position to actually do this is the Pacers. They have a ton of cap space, Buddy and 3 first rounders this year including #7.

Buddy and 7 for OG
2 firsts this year and one future first for Beal using filler and cap space.


Hali
Beal
Benn
OG
Turner

 

[SacTownKid]

The team in the best position to actually do this is the Pacers. They have a ton of cap space, Buddy and 3 first rounders this year including #7.

Buddy and 7 for OG
2 firsts this year and one future first for Beal using filler and cap space.


Hali
Beal
Benn
OG
Turner

Now THAT would be a true new CBA nightmare right there haha.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Now THAT would be a true new CBA nightmare right there haha.

they would have a shot at a title for 3 years and then could break off some pieces and build a second time around Hali and Benn. Would be worth the risk in a place like Indiana

 

[SacTownKid]

they would have a shot at a title for 3 years and then could break off some pieces and build a second time around Hali and Benn. Would be worth the risk in a place like Indiana

Maybe but that's when evidence comes in. The only reason I think the Kings should consider these deals is because of the step forward they made last year behind Fox who has been in the league for a minute now and the window to improve appears to be now. I think the better bet for a team like Indy is to build around Hali and Mathurin and maybe shoot for another star in their age range either through the draft, trade, or cap space. Not blow their cap as a lottery team on win now pieces. If you swapped the Kings and Pacers time wise and record wise maybe, but these are shortcuts for a team like Indy. If Fox and Sabonis were 20 and 23, I wouldn't have liked what Monte did with the team and how he pushed forward now at all last summer and would be all heck no about the Beal, OG, etc. deals now. Those are the types of things Vlade did when he should have been clearing a path for Fox to shine. Winning will come if you wait and that young talent core is for real. The next step for Indy is to see if Hali can make that leap as a true go to player but he needs chances to fail and prove it to do that. He's got numbers but can he carry a team as scorer? Does he need to? Can Mathurin? This is why if I were a fan of the Blazers I'd be horrified at the idea of them building around Dame and screwing up what could be a quick and awesome rebuild scenario. Sharpe, Mitchell/Scoot, future picks in a Dame deal. OMG, unless they are getting Giannis or something screw giving that up. smh.

 

[NewArena]

Windhorst in that clip specifically said, paraphrasing, "You'll be surprised at how little Beal actually goes for". I don't think Murray is in danger. For OG? Maybe.

Not even. No way

 

[Warhawk]

Maybe im an optimist but I just see that $57MM player option in the summer of 2027 and think "we might be able to get him to decline that and resign for cheaper if everything goes well"

I think that's a pipe dream. In no way is a declining player going to give up $57 million for one year. No way.

 

[kingsfan101]

And Beal basically makes the call on the parts from what I read. If that's true and the Wiz want out of that contract, then all Monte has to do is convince Beal to not include the future pick at all, haha.

I'm somehow not excited about a guy who comes with a no trade clause, makes a ton of money, is signed for several years, but has played roughly only one season over the last two.

If that contract becomes an albatross, will Vivek pony up to pay for Domas (likely)? Monk might become a luxury however.

 

[SacTownKid]

I'm somehow not excited about a guy who comes with a no trade clause, makes a ton of money, is signed for several years, but has played roughly only one season over the last two.

If that contract becomes an albatross, will Vivek pony up to pay for Domas (likely)? Monk might become a luxury however.

My thing is that money likely goes to a combo of Barnes, Davion, Monk, and maybe even Huerter at some point regardless. I don't think Huerter and Monk as a tandem is a long term solution at SG. Not unless they start playing Huerter at SF. That's going to be too much money for SG depth at some point with neither proven to be star talent. Monk got more opportunity in the playoffs but it was Huerter that dipped in order for that to happen. As constructed one of Monk or Huerter is getting backup minutes. That or they platoon which makes them both look like less as assets since their value is based on production for the most part since neither are elite defenders. Splitting minutes can create inconsistent rhythm and production.

 

[kingsfan101]

My thing is that money likely goes to a combo of Barnes, Davion, Monk, and maybe even Huerter at some point regardless. I don't think Huerter and Monk as a tandem is a long term solution at SG. Not unless they start playing Huerter at SF. That's going to be too much money for SG depth at some point with neither proven to be star talent. Monk got more opportunity in the playoffs but it was Huerter that dipped in order for that to happen. As constructed one of Monk or Huerter is getting backup minutes. That or they platoon which makes them both look like less as assets since their value is based on production for the most part since neither are elite defenders. Splitting minutes can create inconsistent rhythm and production.

The two of them together will make less than Beal. Hell, even Kevin, Monk, and Barnes put together will probably make less than him, and I would rather have that combo.

I understand star power, but I don't think he's THAT good. Plus, the biggest concern is not necessarily just the money. It's that he's missed lot of time over the last few seasons, is getting to the age where this can become chronic, and his no trade clause will likely mean we are stuck.

And money matters. It's one thing for a fan to expect Vivek to pony up, but quite another for an owner to write a check for millions of dollars for a player who is often injured. It quite likely will impact future spending/deals. How much will the team be ready to pay Monk if they are already paying 50 million to the starting SG, and also paying Domas? Will Vivek ask Monte to make do with a cheaper backup?

These are very real questions that shall stare us very soon if we trade for him. I would rather not find out.

 

[SacTownKid]

The two of them together will make less than Beal. Hell, even Kevin, Monk, and Barnes put together will probably make less than him, and I would rather have that combo.

I understand star power, but I don't think he's THAT good. Plus, the biggest concern is not necessarily just the money. It's that he's missed lot of time over the last few seasons, is getting to the age where this can become chronic, and his no trade clause will likely mean we are stuck.

And money matters. It's one thing for a fan to expect Vivek to pony up, but quite another for an owner to write a check for millions of dollars for a player who is often injured. It quite likely will impact future spending/deals. How much will the team be ready to pay Monk if they are already paying 50 million to the starting SG, and also paying Domas? Will Vivek ask Monte to make do with a cheaper backup?

These are very real questions that shall stare us very soon if we trade for him. I would rather not find out.

Yeah, but investing on players destined to play 15-20 mpg or around that is dicey. You're almost always better off spending that money on 1 player who will carve out the majority of those minutes. This is why holding onto Holmes after the Domas trade was a disaster in wait. No team has a C making that kind of money off the bench by choice. In fact, I don't think a team even has a backup C making that much period. If the Kings can dial back their G rotation to a full 3 guys it's doable. Especially if all 3 can make plays. Fox/Monk/Beal can all average starters minutes or close in some form long term. 4 guys is too much if you're expecting value at those spots.

Is Monk going to be a starter for this team? Is he going to find more than 22 mpg next season? Monk with or without Beal is a question mark moving forward. Next year will show the course on him.

 

[hrdboild]

Yeah, but investing on players destined to play 15-20 mpg or around that is dicey. You're almost always better off spending that money on 1 player who will carve out the majority of those minutes. This is why holding onto Holmes after the Domas trade was a disaster in wait. No team has a C making that kind of money off the bench by choice. In fact, I don't think a team even has a backup C making that much period. If the Kings can dial back their G rotation to a full 3 guys it's doable. Especially if all 3 can make plays. Fox/Monk/Beal can all average starters minutes or close in some form long term. 4 guys is too much if you're expecting value at those spots.

Is Monk going to be a starter for this team? Is he going to find more than 22 mpg next season? Monk with or without Beal is a question mark moving forward. Next year will show the course on him.

Holmes was re-signed six months before the Sabonis trade. Then he was dealing with a domestic violence accusation mid-way through that 2021-2022 season that essentially made him untradeable. Holding onto him wasn't even a choice at that point.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1670126468272209923

What the actual **** are the Suns gonna do with Brad Beal?

 

[funkykingston]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1670126468272209923

What the actual **** are the Suns gonna do with Brad Beal?

Play him in the backcourt with Booker, send Ayton to Washington and gift CP3 to the Lakers on a minimum deal?

 

[KingsFanSince85]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1670126468272209923

What the actual **** are the Suns gonna do with Brad Beal?

Beats me.

I’m not much of an Ayton fan, but they seem to have a better chance beating Nikola Jokić and Denver with Ayton than with a smaller lineup including Beale.

 

[Joshoua]

Seriously how did Beal get a no trade clause

 

[Tetsujin]

Play him in the backcourt with Booker, send Ayton to Washington and gift CP3 to the Lakers on a minimum deal?

the thing is that Beal has proven himself to not be a point guard in any sense of the word. I guess they can bank on Cam Payne not being as unplayable bad as he was this season but I still feel like they’re better off keeping CP3 and moving Ayton for another big/forward/draft assets instead

 

[Joshoua]

the thing is that Beal has proven himself to not be a point guard in any sense of the word. I guess they can bank on Cam Payne not being as unplayable bad as he was this season but I still feel like they’re better off keeping CP3 and moving Ayton for another big/forward/draft assets instead

how would they get Beal without giving up Ayton

 

[funkykingston]

how would they get Beal without giving up Ayton

I think Tetsujin is implying that they shouldn't be going after Beal at all. And given the looming CBA changes (as well as the awkward fit) I definitely agree. For an actual hooper, Ishbia seems more like a fantasy basketball fan if these rumors are true.

The only players the Suns could trade for Beal are CP3 or Ayton plus filler like Shamet. Outside of $15M in cap relief, I can't imagine why the Wizards would want Chris Paul. So Ayton is the only trade chip that makes sense, especially since the Suns have no FRPs to trade after the Durant deal .

It just makes very little sense.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1670153608611139584

LOL

 

[captain bill]

Beal doesn't make sense for us but having a working relationship with Washington could make sense for the next time they decide to dump some good young talent for nothing

 

[ockingsfan]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1670153608611139584

LOL

I guess that no-trade clause has now made Beal the deFacto GM of the Wizards and any team trading for him. LMAO!

 

[Chupacabra]

Off guard that needs the ball paired with Fox? Didn't we try this before?

 

[SacTownKid]

Holmes was re-signed six months before the Sabonis trade. Then he was dealing with a domestic violence accusation mid-way through that 2021-2022 season that essentially made him untradeable. Holding onto him wasn't even a choice at that point.

Yes, that's why I was saying AFTER they traded for Domas. I said it at the time, as soon as Domas was traded for, Holmes needed to go. Like before that deadline. Or at the very least that summer even if only to break up the contract.

 

[SacTownKid]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1670126468272209923

What the actual **** are the Suns gonna do with Brad Beal?

Destroy the West next season if Beal and Booker work probably. Please, no Suns.

 

[SacTownKid]

Seriously how did Beal get a no trade clause

The Wizards didn't want to let Beal go for nothing, lol. I guess they'll be able to get out of the deal but they wasted a few years and now are stuck having to pay just to keep Kuz and KP together perhaps. Way behind the 8 ball on a rebuild.

 

[SacTownKid]

Off guard that needs the ball paired with Fox? Didn't we try this before?

Different off guard. Beal had his best years next to a Fox lookalike in Wall. Also, Hali and Fox not working at all basically was largely due to the coach not understanding how to play 2 combos at the same time. Wall/Beal, Dame/CJ, and more throughout history. There was no reason it shouldn't have worked better than it did.

 

[kingsboi]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1670126468272209923

What the actual **** are the Suns gonna do with Brad Beal?

go to Miami Brad, Spo will put him in the best position to succeed

 

[Joshoua]

The Wizards didn't want to let Beal go for nothing, lol. I guess they'll be able to get out of the deal but they wasted a few years and now are stuck having to pay just to keep Kuz and KP together perhaps. Way behind the 8 ball on a rebuild.

you’re already offering him a super max it’s not like they were winning and he was a top 10 player I don’t even think he’s ever been top 20 player. Does lebron even have a no trade clause this is absurd