Kings reportedly involved in Brad Beal trade talks but not deep enough in to matter

[Telemachus]

SO say it then what are you so scared of...


why cant you just say it... are you terrified to speak on the footage?


"When I look at those highlights of Brad Beal 3 months ago dropping 36, 6 and 7 on 87% shooting, I see a player In decline, 2017 Brad Beal shoots 18/15 (yes thats right 120% from the floor) with 15 boards, 15 assists, 15 blocks and 15 steals in that game" - The_Jamal

You do realize that a player in decline can still have great games. LBJ has been in decline for the past 3 or 4 years, yet you could find similar games from him this season. I remember watching Larry Bird in his final season (with a bad back) dropping 49pts, 14rbs, and 12 asts. And no one would question if he was in decline.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Lots of bickering going on here, and I think the main point is being lost.

It ain’t about whether Bradley Beal is still a great offensive player or not. Let’s just assume for a moment that he’s still peak Bradley Beal.

IMO, it doesn’t matter. The KINGS simply can’t afford to place all their current and future eggs into that 50M dollar per year basket — especially considering the upcoming CBA changes. It’ll hamstring their ability to keep their younger core of Fox, Domas and Keegan.

That’s bad business.

Furthermore, for a 50M per year risk and all the strain it places on making future moves, including possibly moving on from Beale if it didn’t work out, the player better be a generational Steph Curry offensive talent or a TWO-WAY star.

You make that move and take on that salary for a Jimmy Butler, Kevin Durant, or Kawhi Leonard (healthy version). You don’t do it for Zach Lavine, Demar Derozan, James Harden or Bradley Beal.

The KINGS are better off keeping their young core together and trying to add to it via the draft and the occasional gem in FA like they found in Malik Monk.

 

[Ozymandias]

ok let’s see your lineup after you trade for Beal or OG?

K well lets assume the Kings lose Huerter and Monk Holmes the 1st rd pick and a few 2nds *which yes I know the $ still isnt totally set but its only a few mil off

We'll also assume the Kings land James Nnaji at 38 and Seth Lundy at 54 and that we sign Keita Bates-Diop to a modest but market priced 2 year deal, maybe even with the 2nd year a player option n the idea that we have minutes for him n a role n that he can showcase here for a bigger deal next summer, Plus we sign 6'4" G Jalen Pickett as an UDFA(He turns 24 in October n is extremely strong could vie for a spot here sooner than later) to replace Delly.

also in this scenario we re-sign TD, Lyles, Queta

Lets also take note that Brad Beal in 11 seasons has never averaged less than 31mpg.

Fox - Mitchell - Pickett/TD
Beal - TD - Murray - Lundy/Dozier
Murray - KBD - Vezenkov - Edwards/Lundy
Keita Bates-Diop - Vezenkov - Murray/Edwards/Lyles
Sabonis - Lyles - Queta - Nnaji

When I look at a depth chart like that, its not like we're spending soooo much money on forwards and wings even with Beal's crazy salary. It's actually really not, we've just redistributed the Holmes $$ and the SG $$ to him, its not the major move ppl are making it to be.. This is one of the things Keegan's contract allows us to do... Look at it.. All those other forwards and wings cost very little... There is quality now I'm sort of cheating but at the same time I refuse to stop bringing up Keita Bates-Diop because just look at how amazingly he slides into scenarios like this, and what if the price is right?


AND if theres any way we can land Barnes with this scenario instead of KBD, thats the yahtzee scenario cuz then we can still resign Sabonis and Fox n go way over.. Honestly if its make or break maybe we could use the TD $$ or the Queta $$$ to bring back Barnes, we can stretch the depth further and then we look to pick and choose players who can fit like lots of playoff teams do...


Fox
Beal
Murray
Barnes
Sabonis

this is the true end-game scenario...


now thats a starting lineup! n the only risk is that vivek spends a lot of money... not that we risk losing our players... get it? We lock all the positions in n then Sabonis next summer.. That pretty much menas the next significant offseason is 2026, when Keegan and Fox's deals are up.

 

[Ozymandias]

Maybe im an optimist but I just see that $57MM player option in the summer of 2027 and think "we might be able to get him to decline that and resign for cheaper if everything goes well"

Is that certainly out of the realm of possibilities?

You think all these youngins are all of a sudden gonna leapfrog Beal in the next few years? I dont.

 

[Ozymandias]

The absolute starting point for Monk next summer is gonna be 15mil.. Huerter makes $17MM in 24/25 and then 18 in 25/26. Richaun Holmes will also expire for 13mm in the summer of '25...

Thats 45MM... We'd pay Beal 50 that season... It's actually FAR more digestible than ppl are making it out to be, they just dont want to see how we could patch up holes with value alternatives.

See so the problem with this trade for some, is honestly the part where we fill in the rest of the roster, not how much Beal costs, we pay just a few guys what Beal makes its not a big deal really.

We have more than $$$ to offer, we're competitve, we'd have spots to fill.. we play uptempo and have excellent ball movement, great pg, great c.. its a good landing spot to showcase your talents...

 

[SacTownKid]

Lots of bickering going on here, and I think the main point is being lost.

It ain’t about whether Bradley Beale is still a great offensive player or not. Let’s just assume for a moment that he’s still peak Bradley Beale.

IMO, it doesn’t matter. The KINGS simply can’t afford to place all their current and future eggs into that 50M dollar per year basket — especially considering the upcoming CBA changes. It’ll hamstring their ability to keep their younger core of Fox, Domas and Keegan.

That’s bad business.

Furthermore, for a 50M per year risk and all the strain it places on making future moves, including possibly moving on from Beale if it didn’t work out, the player better be a generational Steph Curry offensive talent or a TWO-WAY star.

You make that move and take on that salary for a Jimmy Butler, Kevin Durant, or Kawhi Leonard (healthy version). You don’t do it for Zach Lavine, Demar Derozan, James Harden or Bradley Beale.

The KINGS are better off keeping their young core together and trying to add to it via the draft and the occasional gem in FA like they found in Malik Monk.

OK again, by that logic the Nuggets better start prepping now and tearing down some of that core. I saw a clip with Windhorst basically saying the new CBA simply won't allow a team to have a 3rd guy making Porter Jr. money. Yeah, I'll buy that when I see it. If it happens, it'll be after a about a 2 year lockout. Good luck on getting players to sign off on that one. If anything this will be a like the last BS line about the league instituting parity back in the day when they also included some sort of grandfathered in protection in the form of a pretty sweet stretch and waive. The reality is, if you've already got the main pieces you need for a championship losing out on a MLE, or being hard capped above the cap, etc. is going to be worth the opportunity to actually contend. Only a true hard cap would stop that and that ain't happening. It's not like Sac has to let Fox walk because they have big salaries on their roster. Not happening, sure it might make the peripheral additions more difficult but peripheral differences are never the difference between contending or not and if you are winning, you'll find adequate pieces. In fact, they'll come to you sometimes.

 

[SacTownKid]

The absolute starting point for Monk next summer is gonna be 15mil.. Huerter makes $17MM in 24/25 and then 18 in 25/26. Richaun Holmes will also expire for 13mm in the summer of '25...

Thats 45MM... We'd pay Beal 50 that season... It's actually FAR more digestible than ppl are making it out to be, they just dont want to see how we could patch up holes with value alternatives.

See so the problem with this trade for some, is honestly the part where we fill in the rest of the roster, not how much Beal costs, we pay just a few guys what Beal makes its not a big deal really.

We have more than $$$ to offer, we're competitve, we'd have spots to fill.. we play uptempo and have excellent ball movement, great pg, great c.. its a good landing spot to showcase your talents...

Exactly. That money is going to go somewhere unless the Kings just let players walk because fear of the new CBA, lol.

 

[Ozymandias]

Exactly. That money is going to go somewhere unless the Kings just let players walk because fear of the new CBA, lol.

We're just ready to meet these sort of challenges.. This fits our timeline, it doesnt disrupt it. Integrating a star like Beal would actually probably go surprisingly smooth but only because we have De'Aaron and Sabonis..

Coach Brown would keep everyone grounded too (Beal is not that type of guy who needs to be kept grounded btw, this is someone who understands how to be an excellent rolemodel for the younger basketball players) but I dont see things getting out of hand, other than for our opponents...

Beal is fking dangerous... thats a bad man!! He can cause our opponents quite a bit of trouble... There are so many teams in the west structured around having an advantage at the SG position and not only would beal immediately neutralize almost every single one of those, but he'd pull the rug out from underneath more than a few of them... He'd make it look like just another day at the office too, dont think for a second that Beal is gonna get all starry eyed cuz he was on a bad team and then now he's on a good team --- if he does its for show... he's a pro's pro..


Beal, all by himself, can trade blows with any SG in this league... He's a RINGER... We'd be bringing a ringer from the East to win the West..

Sabonis to Beal all day... Doesnt work kick the ball to De'Aaron n he drives n gets a wide open shot or some ft's.. Everyones job gets a little easier, dont think thats being mentioned, thats what you get for $50MM, lets not make it like Beal is some primadonna who we have to curtail our gameplan around, he's not, he's gonna make everyones jobs a little easier and plugs right in, which for as good as Huerter and Monk are, when their cold their cold, and on those nights they dont make everyones jobs easier, they make them harder and we all stand around waiting for 3's that sometimes dont fall.. As much as Monk has improved his handle since he got to the NBA, Beals improved his handle similarly...

 

[Ozymandias]

One last thing .. In the way that by the end of the season/playoffs Monk was trusted to hold down the 3rd string PG spot.

Beal can do that too.

So its not just a matter of "Starting SG on the depth chart and nothing more"

 

[Albatros]

Please don't give up Murray for beal. Oh no no no.

 

[serbiangoat]

I can't see the Kings beating the Heat offer unless Murray is included you got Herro and an expiring Lowry along with picks + Jovic(they could also throw in Martin) that's just way better imo. I don't think you include Murray in a deal unless it's someone in the 24-27 year range with a lot of potential or is a star/allstar already. Miami also HAS to go all in this might be Jimmys last year as a elite player (or this could have been it as well) where as the Kings have more wiggle room and probably would not be willing to give up as much (e.g Murray).

I actually think KAT might be a more realistic option if the Kings want to go that route (you would have to include Murray I would not be for this trade just saying).

 

[twslam07]

Not that I’d particularly support this…but why not both Beal and Anunoby?

Kevin Huerter
Richaun Holmes
Malik Monk
Keegan Murray
Davion Mitchell
PJ Dozier

for

Bradley Beal
OG Anunoby

That works salary wise allowing us to keep our cap holds in place so we could still go over the cap to resign Barnes, Davis, & Lyles while also still having our $12.2 mil MLE.

I’d have to think about how the assets are distributed across the teams but Huerter, Monk, Murray, and Mitchell is a lot of value going out and we may be able to get away with keeping #24 and our future 1sts (still giving us a lot of flexibility to make future moves).

PG - Fox
SG - Beal / Davis
SF - Barnes / Edwards
PF - Anunoby / Lyles
C - Sabonis
Picks - #24 / #38 / #54
Exceptions - MLE

 

[The_Jamal]

Not that I’d particularly support this…but why not both Beal and Anunoby?

Kevin Huerter
Richaun Holmes
Malik Monk
Keegan Murray
Davion Mitchell
PJ Dozier

for

Bradley Beal
OG Anunoby

That works salary wise allowing us to keep our cap holds in place so we could still go over the cap to resign Barnes, Davis, & Lyles while also still having our $12.2 mil MLE.

I’d have to think about how the assets are distributed across the teams but Huerter, Monk, Murray, and Mitchell is a lot of value going out and we may be able to get away with keeping #24 and our future 1sts (still giving us a lot of flexibility to make future moves).

PG - Fox
SG - Beal / Davis
SF - Barnes / Edwards
PF - Anunoby / Lyles
C - Sabonis
Picks - #24 / #38 / #54
Exceptions - MLE

Nope, not for me. Keegan is actually untouchable I think for any sort of realistic package coming back our way (meaning like no top 12-15 players). Whatever his potential upside ceiling is, on a rookie scale deal for the next 3 years is just way to valuable to punt off after such a promising rookie season.

Fox/Domas/Keegan are your untouchables. Everyone else can be on the table in the right deal.

 

[twslam07]

Nope, not for me. Keegan is actually untouchable I think for any sort of realistic package coming back our way (meaning like no top 12-15 players). Whatever his potential upside ceiling is, on a rookie scale deal for the next 3 years is just way to valuable to punt off after such a promising rookie season.

Fox/Domas/Keegan are your untouchables. Everyone else can be on the table in the right deal.

Yeah I wouldn’t do the trade either (was just putting the hypothetical trade out there that would work financially). Don’t like the Beal fit, contract, age, injury risk, & lack of defense. Just doesn’t seem like the right direction. Would much rather go the Anunoby route if you had to choose one or the other.

 

[The_Jamal]

Yeah I wouldn’t do the trade either (was just putting the hypothetical trade out there that would work financially). Don’t like the Beal fit, contract, age, injury risk, & lack of defense. Just doesn’t seem like the right direction. Would much rather go the Anunoby route if you had to choose one or the other.

The OG route seems perfect. I'm super bullish on Monk being a hidden offensive star, so in that scenario, we have the Huerter replacement in house. And just 2 wings you can build around for the next 5+ years that perfectly compliment Fox and Domas.

I think Huerter-davion and a FRP is basically the right value too for both sides considering OG ad an expiring

 

[dude12]

Beal’s ability to create would be something we could use for sure.
And he’s had a career of fantastic stats
But the exaggeration train in this thread is nuts.
Acquiring Beal doesn’t necessarily equal conference finals and or championship.
I don’t think anyone on here is saying he’s not a good player but you can’t separated player from the contract. That contract is Superbad.

I’m betting many on here believe that the Kings may be better off going the Nuggets model of keeping the team together and making improvements with high level role players. We have the Jokic and Murray and Porter roles filled with our 3. Aaron Gordon > HB is where we need to improve. And then we have more offensive oriented guys in Huerter, Monk where as Denver has the Brown and KCP defensive oriented guys.

Acquiring Beal seems more of a “chase a star to play with other stars move” which has been sketchy. Sheesh, this team already is a scoring machine. Playoffs are what’s important now you say? Yeah, agreed, I guarantee that playoff teams will sag the paint like the Warriors did and take away Domas, Fox and Beal and for whomever our 3 point shooters are to beat them. Beal won’t change that.

I for one am not going base my whole off-season on 1 playoff series against the Warriors and then say we need to make this move or that when GS was the one team that could score with us.

I think the Kings are close to making that deep playoff run and possibly winning the western conference. I think getting high level role players such as Gordon, KCP and a Bruce Brown will push this team over the top. And I do think Gordon is playing a role on the Nuggets after being a top option in Orlando. His defense from his position is something that would make us a real contender. Beal doesn’t do that.

Is Beal good? He is. But I have some serious doubts that he’s the answer and we will be hamstrung trying to get those high level role players.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I don’t think anyone on here is saying he’s not a good player but you can’t separated player from the contract. That contract is Superbad.

Over 4 years he appears to be slated to make 35%, 35%, 34%, 33% of the salary cap. Since you expect to pay 3% of the salary cap for 1 WS, that's a salary that should be expected to bring in 11.6, 11.6, 11.3, and 11 WS for it to be of equivalent value.

Beal's best season WS was 8.5, and that was 7 years ago. Beal was only worth 10.3 WS in the last three years *combined*. A contract this size was double his value in any given year since he was 26, and this contract is going to be for age 30-33. He's had two down years in a row, he can't stay on the court, and suddenly he's going to have to be better than he has ever been to live up to that deal. We're supposed to trade for that? Nuts.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

The contract was bad under the last CBA but at least with that if Vivek was willing to pay the luxury tax it would potentially be worth the gamble.

I don't understand this new CBA at all. It completely punishes teams like the Celtics that drafted well and have two All Star/All NBA level talents eligible for their super max. If they re-sign the Jays to what they are worth they're done. The only other team that exploited the cap well was the Warriors, who also drafted well. They snuck in KD during the 2016 buy-a-thon that destroyed just about every other team and locked in their dynasty, but for the most part, every other team that has tried to buy multiple stars has had mixed results.

Still of course after years of trying to build something that is worth spending on, the Kings appear poised to have just that and this new CBA arrives. Who does it even help (player wise?). It completely guts the NBA middle class.

 

[SLAB]

Beal, OG, or whoever… I’m just glad Monte’s out kicking tires because I still see our current roster as low/seed fodder. Last season rocked. I don’t think 3 seed/home-court is repeatable though, and I think these rumors show Monte believes that as well.

 

[Jc121]

I really thought huerter was pretty good during the season but started to wonder with his performance during the all star game was not normal but most of those playoff games we needed him to perform and at least knock down some 3’s.

 

[Joshoua]

I mean, Denver is going to lose Bruce Brown and they're going to lose KCP next season. And Jamal Murray has 2 years left on his deal until his contract becomes a super mega deal as well. So by 25-26, they'll have 54 to Jokic, 38 to MPJ, probably like 45? to Murray and Gordon at 23 on PO. Depending on how the CBA actually works, they'll probably have to get off MPJ or Gordon before Murray signs that new deal.

With Beal, you're just forcing us into that cap hell now. Ruining all the flexibility we still have over the next few years. AND you're forcing a major major decision in 26-27 with Beal/Fox/Sabonis all on huge max deals and whatever Keegan ends up commanding with his extension. That severely limits optionality over the next 3 years while Fox and Keegan are still on very affordable contracts.

It's just a bad deal all around. Makes literally no sense and would truly ruin all the good-will and progress they built this season. Maybe you could justify it if Beal were still a bonafide star, but he couldn't be anymore of a risk with his decline in play, his age and injury history over the last 4 years.

Paying a super max to a non top 10 player let alone one that isn’t top 20 is suicide and Boston will learn that soon with brown. Beal ain’t the guy some here think he is

 

[Joshoua]

I'm being told that this player is in decline?

This footage is from 3/14 almost exactly 3 months ago.

Brad Beal scores 36 points, 6 rebound and 7 assists ON 13/15 shooting from the field......


I would argue that any man who can step on an NBA floor and put up that kind of statline on 87% shooting is not in decline... Thats just my personal theory tho..




THAT IS FOOTAGE OF A PLAYER IN DECLINE??


Your telling me that player is in decline?! Sorry but I CANT BELIEVE THAT ONE... I'm gonna need to see further evidence.. What I've seen so far is woefully inconclusive.


Was Brad Beal not someone who always took insane care of his body? Cuz I must've really missed something... You think that Bron is gonna play til he's 50 and Brad Beal is gonna decline at 29? I'd argue that Shooting doesnt age the way somethings in the NBA do, like speed..

name five players on Detroit without looking it up

 

[Joshoua]

I can't see the Kings beating the Heat offer unless Murray is included you got Herro and an expiring Lowry along with picks + Jovic(they could also throw in Martin) that's just way better imo. I don't think you include Murray in a deal unless it's someone in the 24-27 year range with a lot of potential or is a star/allstar already. Miami also HAS to go all in this might be Jimmys last year as a elite player (or this could have been it as well) where as the Kings have more wiggle room and probably would not be willing to give up as much (e.g Murray).

I actually think KAT might be a more realistic option if the Kings want to go that route (you would have to include Murray I would not be for this trade just saying).

KAT is brain dead dude said Minnesota run this years was better than denvers

 

[KingsFanSince85]

OK again, by that logic the Nuggets better start prepping now and tearing down some of that core. I saw a clip with Windhorst basically saying the new CBA simply won't allow a team to have a 3rd guy making Porter Jr. money. Yeah, I'll buy that when I see it. If it happens, it'll be after a about a 2 year lockout. Good luck on getting players to sign off on that one. If anything this will be a like the last BS line about the league instituting parity back in the day when they also included some sort of grandfathered in protection in the form of a pretty sweet stretch and waive. The reality is, if you've already got the main pieces you need for a championship losing out on a MLE, or being hard capped above the cap, etc. is going to be worth the opportunity to actually contend. Only a true hard cap would stop that and that ain't happening. It's not like Sac has to let Fox walk because they have big salaries on their roster. Not happening, sure it might make the peripheral additions more difficult but peripheral differences are never the difference between contending or not and if you are winning, you'll find adequate pieces. In fact, they'll come to you sometimes.

“By that logic”……

Thanks, I needed the laugh.

Your rant barely touched upon one thing I discussed. If you really want to debate the effects of the new CBA, cool. Perhaps it won’t have the effect many are predicting.

But still doesn’t change the fact that even under current rules — the KINGS would he foolish to take on a 50M per, no-trade contract for a ONE way player that’s not named Stephen Wardell Curry. Especially given the assets they’d have to surrender for the “privilege“ of taking on that albatross contract.

And this coming from a Bradley Beal fan.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I’d rather pay that kind of money to Jaylen Brown. I think he is a superior player than Beal is now. 50+ a year is a tough tough pill to swallow on a guy who will be entering the latter stages of his career. I also think if these playoffs showed anything it’s that depth is hugely important. What kind of roster can we field if almost all of our salary is tied up in 3 players? We aren’t the Lakers, no one is coming to Sacramento on a discount.

Bradley Beal is a great player and could certainly help us, but that contract…

 

[The_Jamal]

Over 4 years he appears to be slated to make 35%, 35%, 34%, 33% of the salary cap. Since you expect to pay 3% of the salary cap for 1 WS, that's a salary that should be expected to bring in 11.6, 11.6, 11.3, and 11 WS for it to be of equivalent value.

Beal's best season WS was 8.5, and that was 7 years ago. Beal was only worth 10.3 WS in the last three years *combined*. A contract this size was double his value in any given year since he was 26, and this contract is going to be for age 30-33. He's had two down years in a row, he can't stay on the court, and suddenly he's going to have to be better than he has ever been to live up to that deal. We're supposed to trade for that? Nuts.

Yeah, but did you see that one game he scored 36 points?

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I’d rather pay that kind of money to Jaylen Brown. I think he is a superior player than Beal is now. 50+ a year is a tough tough pill to swallow on a guy who will be entering the latter stages of his career. I also think if these playoffs showed anything it’s that depth is hugely important. What kind of roster can we field if almost all of our salary is tied up in 3 players? We aren’t the Lakers, no one is coming to Sacramento on a discount.

Bradley Beal is a great player and could certainly help us, but that contract…

With the new CBA, nobody is going anywhere on a discount. Some of the new rules seem outright draconian.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I really thought huerter was pretty good during the season but started to wonder with his performance during the all star game was not normal but most of those playoff games we needed him to perform and at least knock down some 3’s.

Fatigue is always going to be a question mark for him. His style of shooting is not generally conducive to holding up for a long season and deep playoff run.

 

[SacTownKid]

Please don't give up Murray for beal. Oh no no no.

Windhorst in that clip specifically said, paraphrasing, "You'll be surprised at how little Beal actually goes for". I don't think Murray is in danger. For OG? Maybe.

 

[SacTownKid]

I can't see the Kings beating the Heat offer unless Murray is included you got Herro and an expiring Lowry along with picks + Jovic(they could also throw in Martin) that's just way better imo. I don't think you include Murray in a deal unless it's someone in the 24-27 year range with a lot of potential or is a star/allstar already. Miami also HAS to go all in this might be Jimmys last year as a elite player (or this could have been it as well) where as the Kings have more wiggle room and probably would not be willing to give up as much (e.g Murray).

I actually think KAT might be a more realistic option if the Kings want to go that route (you would have to include Murray I would not be for this trade just saying).

The Kings biggest asset is financial flexibility. The Heat have to send equal salary back. I guess it depends on if the Wizards are trying to recoup value, or actually ease their financial burden long term. Also, this is where Beal comes in. If the Kings and Heat are in competition, it's who can sell Beal the best. South Beach vs. The BEAM.

If Monte is actually shooting for the moon, he needs to go towards Siakam. I'd push all the chips, Murray and all in on him. OG? Heck no. Beal? Nah.