Kings reportedly involved in Brad Beal trade talks but not deep enough in to matter

[Ozymandias]

Ya know in the sports movies when the team that tries so hard n just cant get over the hump all of a sudden gets a new player on the roster, thats a total ringer n then they cant stop winning.. I couldnt rule out Beal being that type of character for us... I mean if there's anyone who can do that it would be someone of that big $$$ talent level, we've already seen it with Sabonis, but could Monte do it again?

This is certainly the type of trade, looking back they'd always bring up this trade and the Sabonis trade together, as turning points. something like "the Sabonis trade got them to the playoffs and the Beal trade pushed them thru it" (hopefully)

I honestly wish i had a better grasp of the #'s of it all so i could really do more precise multi-year outlooks.

In a strictly Monte hunting the repeat on the exec of the year award sense, this type of trade might do the trick cuz now that we're an established playoff team he's got up-and-comers to fight off, he might really have to take a big risk like this to dazzle the voters again.

Whats interesting is we do have some draft capital saved up too. Could we already be figuring out ways to fill out the roster after we spend all the $$$ possible? Kinda hard to imagine that Vivek doesnt want to push the gas pedal down to the floor after this season...

 

[Ozymandias]

Also the old De'Aaron Fox - John Wall comparisons would surely resurface again after all these years, with Beal playing so long with Wall, It'd be a constant topic of conversation --- especially I'm sure people would want to ask Brad who he thinks is/was faster.

 

[The_Jamal]

You just have to be very very sure that Beal is the piece that makes you a title contender. Because you're out of assets after that.

I assume you're basically looking at Huerter+Davion+at least one FRP+Holmes for Beal. We can all wishfully think Huerter+Holmes gets it done, but it's not going to happen. So:

Fox || ??
Beal || Monk
Keegan || Kessler
Trey Lyles? || Vezenkov
Domas || ??

Also have Queta/Ellis on ice and pick 38+54 to fill out the roster. Is that enough?

 

[TaxMan]

I really don’t understand all of the intricacies of the new cba, but everything I’m hearing is it will be extremely difficult to build a roster with three stars with mega salaries. I’m just not sure going after someone like Beal (on that contract specifically) is the smartest thing to do. I think it’s making a bet on it making us good enough to compete for the championship NEXT YEAR before Domas levels up on his salary and Keegan gets his extension. At that point I think we’ve had to gut our roster so much that you need those four top guys to be extraordinary to make up the difference.

 

[206Fan]

I really like Beal, but I think we have to pass on him solely because of his contract. Monte has already said that he wants to make moves that allow him to be flexible down the line... Beal screams like a Vivek meddling.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I really don’t understand all of the intricacies of the new cba, but everything I’m hearing is it will be extremely difficult to build a roster with three stars with mega salaries. I’m just not sure going after someone like Beal (on that contract specifically) is the smartest thing to do. I think it’s making a bet on it making us good enough to compete for the championship NEXT YEAR before Domas levels up on his salary and Keegan gets his extension. At that point I think we’ve had to gut our roster so much that you need those four top guys to be extraordinary to make up the difference.

I don't think we could afford Keegan's extension. Also don't forget at that point we are pretty much super-maxing Fox - he's got an all star and an all NBA, and we drafted him, so that's a done deal if I understand? At that point we'd be looking at 160 million possibly tied up between Beal, Fox and Sabonis. ummm. ??? I think you are dead around 180, of course that could be 190ish in 3-4 years.

 

[SacTownKid]

I really don’t understand all of the intricacies of the new cba, but everything I’m hearing is it will be extremely difficult to build a roster with three stars with mega salaries. I’m just not sure going after someone like Beal (on that contract specifically) is the smartest thing to do. I think it’s making a bet on it making us good enough to compete for the championship NEXT YEAR before Domas levels up on his salary and Keegan gets his extension. At that point I think we’ve had to gut our roster so much that you need those four top guys to be extraordinary to make up the difference.

Yeah, but that's probably talking about having 3 guys making Beal money. This is the benefit of Fox still being on a rookie extension. His contract is only going to get better over the life of it. He's making like MLE type money less than Beal next season. By the time he falls off the books Monte can prepare for all of that. Also, Domas, I'm not sure what the max he can sign for is but it's not going to be Beal level supermax stuff. This is why it's important that if Monte is trying to build his own little trio of superstars, it has to be now. Is Beal the best option? Maybe not, but if he's an option, you go with it.

 

[dude12]

That contract is bad……like crippling bad to an organization if he suddenly drops off in production or is injured.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Yeah, but that's probably talking about having 3 guys making Beal money. This is the benefit of Fox still being on a rookie extension. His contract is only going to get better over the life of it. He's making like MLE type money less than Beal next season. By the time he falls off the books Monte can prepare for all of that. Also, Domas, I'm not sure what the max he can sign for is but it's not going to be Beal level supermax stuff. This is why it's important that if Monte is trying to build his own little trio of superstars, it has to be now. Is Beal the best option? Maybe not, but if he's an option, you go with it.

Isn't Fox due for his 3rd contract the year Beal is making 57 or whatever? Fox will be getting 60+ and Sabonis 35-40 I believe. Keegan also due when Fox comes up if I have the timeline right (Fox entering year 3 of 5 right now, Keegan entering 2 of 4). That's potentially 180+ between 4 guys in 2026-2027.

We'd be completely screwed.

 

[The_Jamal]

Isn't Fox due for his 3rd contract the year Beal is making 57 or whatever? Fox will be getting 60+ and Sabonis 35-40 I believe. Keegan also due when Fox comes up if I have the timeline right (Fox entering year 3 of 5 right now, Keegan entering 2 of 4). That's potentially 180+ between 4 guys in 2026-2027.

We'd be completely screwed.

Yeah if Beal expired before Fox was up for his new extension and Keegan needed his extension, then maybe you could make the finances work. But like you said Fox and Keegan are up at the same time Beal is making 57 mil. That ALSO really limits what you can do in the meantime because you all of a sudden can't sign Monk to a long-term deal, you can't keep Davion if he isn't included in the trade, you probably can't keep Kessler Edwards if he actually ends up being pretty good and you're basically maxed out with cap flexibility until then. You also lose out on the rookie scale contract of 24 as rotation piece as the core gets more expensive. Which, absolutely needs to be taken into account.

The more I think about a Beal deal, even if the price is good, the more I truly think it'd be a massive mistake. Huerter/Monk as a duo are better than Beal and will cost $20mil less/season assuming Monk's extension is in the 15 range. I'll also go back to my original point after the playoffs where I think Monk just might be like 90% Brad Beal himself, if you gave him the role. He certainly was in the playoffs, when it mattered most.

 

[Ozymandias]

Is there any way we could pull this off and still sign Keita Bates-Diop this summer? (presumably he's pretty cheap).

 

[Ozymandias]

SO i get people dont like the big contract but what happens when we use the money on a bunch of role players n they turn out to be duds like Holmes...


The Holmes contract certainly hurt us this season, we'd maybe have enough to beat the warriors if we were getting production for that 11mil..

Brad Beal is absolutely one of the best SG's on the planet.

 

[SacTownKid]

Isn't Fox due for his 3rd contract the year Beal is making 57 or whatever? Fox will be getting 60+ and Sabonis 35-40 I believe. Keegan also due when Fox comes up if I have the timeline right (Fox entering year 3 of 5 right now, Keegan entering 2 of 4). That's potentially 180+ between 4 guys in 2026-2027.

We'd be completely screwed.

Well, we'd have to see on that, but for that time period it's probably about the same spread for most other contenders anyway. 3-4 guys usually gobbling up most of the money up to the tax limit if not beyond. I mean look at Denver, should they start looking to dump Gordon now? They're going to be doubly screwed the same year and even probably a year earlier at this point. They'll have to re-sign Murray, MPJ is making near Fox money himself, and Gordon is due up the next year. There's always time to figure that kind of stuff out. Monte started this build worrying about today, not tomorrow. Gotta keep going.

 

[Sluggah]

Oooh, girl, look who became a desired trade destination in the span of a season.

 

[kingsboi]

I'd love Beal on this team so long as Murray is off the table. Not quite sure the direction the Wiz want to go in but the Kings can accommodate them in either direction. Brad needs a change of scenery in the worst way and I think if he were to get traded to a team competing for the Playoffs, you would see the real Beal come out again.

 

[Ozymandias]

Do you guys think if we win with Brad Beal he's gonna decline his player option and then bolt to the highest bidder? He turns 30 in 2 weeks!


His career earnings are already well over $200MM!

We offer a spot he can play and win and compete for the playoffs, we offer a premier PG in the league and a premier C in the league who just so happens to average 7 assists per game!


I'd say a far more realistic scenario would be if we win with Brad Beal that he declines his player option n resignes with us at a bargain price so we have more wiggle room. So thats why we've gotta check in.


I mean people in here citing 60 games per season or whatever, Brad Beal takes EXCELLENT care of himself. Were the Wizards tanking in any of those seasons?

 

[SacTownKid]

Yeah if Beal expired before Fox was up for his new extension and Keegan needed his extension, then maybe you could make the finances work. But like you said Fox and Keegan are up at the same time Beal is making 57 mil. That ALSO really limits what you can do in the meantime because you all of a sudden can't sign Monk to a long-term deal, you can't keep Davion if he isn't included in the trade, you probably can't keep Kessler Edwards if he actually ends up being pretty good and you're basically maxed out with cap flexibility until then. You also lose out on the rookie scale contract of 24 as rotation piece as the core gets more expensive. Which, absolutely needs to be taken into account.

The more I think about a Beal deal, even if the price is good, the more I truly think it'd be a massive mistake. Huerter/Monk as a duo are better than Beal and will cost $20mil less/season assuming Monk's extension is in the 15 range. I'll also go back to my original point after the playoffs where I think Monk just might be like 90% Brad Beal himself, if you gave him the role. He certainly was in the playoffs, when it mattered most.

We saw in the playoffs how that isn't realistic. It wasn't Huerter and Monk as a duo, it was Huerter OR Monk in the end. We can't say for sure how much Monk will get, but it's safe to assume that keeping Monk, keeping Barnes, and re-signing Davion is probably not too far off Beals number at some point in total anyway. The Kings can do all of it if Vivek is willing to spend. Out of the top 8 salaried teams, 6 were or are either considered contenders and all over the tax threshold. Denver isn't but if they keep their team together? Their cap hell will make a Kings team with Beal look like a Dollar Tree reciept.

 

[Ozymandias]

The Kings missed so many wide open 3pters in the playoffs... I'll go to bat for Brad Beal... He's literally one of the very best..


It saddens me a bit to see so many comments about the future... This doesnt blow you away for the 2023-2024 seaon? this isnt some massive upgrade to our damn good roster from last year? c'mon now..


You cant leave Brad Beal open... His whole life he's been getting basically all the attention from defenses everywhere he goes, we have exceptional pace and tempo here, this is a fantastic scenario for him to try and win a ring..


Sabonis would get like 3 assists per game just to Beal...


Brad Beal is legit the Kings #1 offensive option for the first ~40 mins of the game til its De'Aaron time... Obviously we'll move the ball all around n go to hot hands, but If you have to choose who pulls the trigger, your gonna choose Beal -- thats his game..


Beal can trade blows with ANY of the heavyweight SG's out here in the west, you'd be crazy to think otherwise, doubly so with Fox as his PG and Sabonis as his C. As good as Huerter is, as good as Monk is, they arent built like that, to compete with the elite consistently in playoff scenarios, they're streaky in comparison to Beal, and no one in their right minds is gonna argue otherwise to that point, cuz thats simply how it is based on a massive sample size.

 

[The_Jamal]

We saw in the playoffs how that isn't realistic. It wasn't Huerter and Monk as a duo, it was Huerter OR Monk in the end. We can't say for sure how much Monk will get, but it's safe to assume that keeping Monk, keeping Barnes, and re-signing Davion is probably not too far off Beals number at some point in total anyway. The Kings can do all of it if Vivek is willing to spend. Out of the top 8 salaried teams, 6 were or are either considered contenders and all over the tax threshold. Denver isn't but if they keep their team together? Their cap hell will make a Kings team with Beal look like a Dollar Tree reciept.

I mean, Denver is going to lose Bruce Brown and they're going to lose KCP next season. And Jamal Murray has 2 years left on his deal until his contract becomes a super mega deal as well. So by 25-26, they'll have 54 to Jokic, 38 to MPJ, probably like 45? to Murray and Gordon at 23 on PO. Depending on how the CBA actually works, they'll probably have to get off MPJ or Gordon before Murray signs that new deal.

With Beal, you're just forcing us into that cap hell now. Ruining all the flexibility we still have over the next few years. AND you're forcing a major major decision in 26-27 with Beal/Fox/Sabonis all on huge max deals and whatever Keegan ends up commanding with his extension. That severely limits optionality over the next 3 years while Fox and Keegan are still on very affordable contracts.

It's just a bad deal all around. Makes literally no sense and would truly ruin all the good-will and progress they built this season. Maybe you could justify it if Beal were still a bonafide star, but he couldn't be anymore of a risk with his decline in play, his age and injury history over the last 4 years.

 

[Ozymandias]

All Ill say is this

We have had 3 EXTREMELY solid SG's in Buddy, Malik and Kev in recent years..


I truly belive it wouldnt take all that long for folks to come around on Beal because he's better than those guys n that would become increasingly apparent as the season marches on.


Beal is built for this, Buddy was a #2 guy at best, Kev more of a #3 whos efficient and Malik is one of the best 6th man... Beal on the other hand is one of the elite starting SGs in the league, a proper #1 option. He's been waiting oh so long...

We do in fact have the type of landing spot that could produce explosive results for him.. Sometimes when big names get moved its these crazy desperation type of moves, I dont really think this would be in that vein, though obviously the stakes are super high, but their super high anyways.

AND I mean, imagine he comes here to the Kings and blows the doors off the western conference? His career is revitalized, we can try and keep him in his prime extended, we have the peices for that.. its part of why this could work.. Interesting food for thought ive said too much. /endrant

 

[The_Jamal]

The Kings missed so many wide open 3pters in the playoffs... I'll go to bat for Brad Beal... He's literally one of the very best..


It saddens me a bit to see so many comments about the future... This doesnt blow you away for the 2023-2024 seaon? this isnt some massive upgrade to our damn good roster from last year? c'mon now..


You cant leave Brad Beal open... His whole life he's been getting basically all the attention from defenses everywhere he goes, we have exceptional pace and tempo here, this is a fantastic scenario for him to try and win a ring..


Sabonis would get like 3 assists per game just to Beal...


Brad Beal is legit the Kings #1 offensive option for the first ~40 mins of the game til its De'Aaron time... Obviously we'll move the ball all around n go to hot hands, but If you have to choose who pulls the trigger, your gonna choose Beal -- thats his game..


Beal can trade blows with ANY of the heavyweight SG's out here in the west, you'd be crazy to think otherwise, doubly so with Fox as his PG and Sabonis as his C. As good as Huerter is, as good as Monk is, they arent built like that, to compete with the elite consistently in playoff scenarios, they're streaky in comparison to Beal, and no one in their right minds is gonna argue otherwise to that point, cuz thats simply how it is based on a massive sample size.

Yes, because the Kings, unlike basically every other West team, has a chance to build a consistently great, long-term playoff contender/powerhouse if they don't try to skip steps and force the issue. If you acquire Beal, you're basically waving goodbye to Davion/Huerter (in the trade) Barnes (can't afford him) and Monk next season to UFA (can't afford him and I doubt he'd be thrilled with us acquiring a 50mil dude at his position).

If this were 26 year old prime Beal... sure. You take the stud and you make Fox/Domas/Beal work. But 30 year old Beal with 200 mil owed with a no trade clause, coming off 2 declining seasons in play and 4 years of injuries stacked up.....

There's better bets to make if we're pushing our chips in.

 

[Ozymandias]

Fox is 25, Sabonis is 27.... Our time is now!!!

Brad "The Real Deal" Beal !!!

Kings fans would find out why thats his nickname...I would LOVE to see it..

Beal would be the best SG Fox has ever played with

and Fox would be the best SG has ever played with

Sabonis would also be by-far the best facilitating bigman Beal has ever played with, which is really the spiciest part of this all, cuz like if we can get Sabonis hitting Beal for wide open looks --- thats an offense good enough to win the finals far as I'm concerned.. We have De'Aaron here, its possible.

 

[The_Jamal]

We saw in the playoffs how that isn't realistic. It wasn't Huerter and Monk as a duo, it was Huerter OR Monk in the end. We can't say for sure how much Monk will get, but it's safe to assume that keeping Monk, keeping Barnes, and re-signing Davion is probably not too far off Beals number at some point in total anyway. The Kings can do all of it if Vivek is willing to spend. Out of the top 8 salaried teams, 6 were or are either considered contenders and all over the tax threshold. Denver isn't but if they keep their team together? Their cap hell will make a Kings team with Beal look like a Dollar Tree reciept.

I'd 10000% rather ink these three for 50 mil combined over the next 4 years than Beal. That's not even close to a question.

 

[Ozymandias]

Yes, because the Kings, unlike basically every other West team, has a chance to build a consistently great, long-term playoff contender/powerhouse if they don't try to skip steps and force the issue. If you acquire Beal, you're basically waving goodbye to Davion/Huerter (in the trade) Barnes (can't afford him) and Monk next season to UFA (can't afford him and I doubt he'd be thrilled with us acquiring a 50mil dude at his position).

If this were 26 year old prime Beal... sure. You take the stud and you make Fox/Domas/Beal work. But 30 year old Beal with 200 mil owed with a no trade clause, coming off 2 declining seasons in play and 4 years of injuries stacked up.....

There's better bets to make if we're pushing our chips in.

Hard disagree.. There is no pushing our chips in, this isnt poker, its not that dramatic. Brad Beal is some declining asset? Thats hard for me to believe..

Brad Beal is in phenomenal shape, he's always kept in phenomenal shape.. This is someone with 2 seasons of scoring 30 points per game in the NBA...

the idea that Brad Beal is in decline at 29 years old is totally absurd to me... What makes you so sure?

Its totally absurd to think someoen who could score 30ppg int he NBA would fall off so quickly --- I wonder, is there any precedent with that at all? guys who scored 30ppg... do you see that list of players? its an insane list almost entirely HOF'ers..


We have the fastest PG in the league RIGHT NOW... we need to go for it NOW... U gonna wait til the fastest PG in the league turns 30 because the $$$ some billionaire spends looks tight on the books.. who cares...

 

[Ozymandias]

I'm being told that this player is in decline?

This footage is from 3/14 almost exactly 3 months ago.

Brad Beal scores 36 points, 6 rebound and 7 assists ON 13/15 shooting from the field......


I would argue that any man who can step on an NBA floor and put up that kind of statline on 87% shooting is not in decline... Thats just my personal theory tho..




THAT IS FOOTAGE OF A PLAYER IN DECLINE??


Your telling me that player is in decline?! Sorry but I CANT BELIEVE THAT ONE... I'm gonna need to see further evidence.. What I've seen so far is woefully inconclusive.


Was Brad Beal not someone who always took insane care of his body? Cuz I must've really missed something... You think that Bron is gonna play til he's 50 and Brad Beal is gonna decline at 29? I'd argue that Shooting doesnt age the way somethings in the NBA do, like speed..

 

[iowamcnabb]

Fox Reggie Jackson
Monk Andre Jackson
Keegan Barnes
OG Sasha
Sabonis Lyles

or

Fox Monk
Beal Andre Jackson
Keegan Edwards
Sasha Lyles
Sabonis Queta Tshiebwe

 

[The_Jamal]

Hard disagree.. There is no pushing our chips in, this isnt poker, its not that dramatic. Brad Beal is some declining asset? Thats hard for me to believe..

Brad Beal is in phenomenal shape, he's always kept in phenomenal shape.. This is someone with 2 seasons of scoring 30 points per game in the NBA...

the idea that Brad Beal is in decline at 29 years old is totally absurd to me... What makes you so sure?

Its totally absurd to think someoen who could score 30ppg int he NBA would fall off so quickly --- I wonder, is there any precedent with that at all? guys who scored 30ppg... do you see that list of players? its an insane list almost entirely HOF'ers..


We have the fastest PG in the league RIGHT NOW... we need to go for it NOW... U gonna wait til the fastest PG in the league turns 30 because the $$$ some billionaire spends looks tight on the books.. who cares...

His numbers the last 2 seasons? Where else?

 

[The_Jamal]

I'm being told that this player is in decline?

This footage is from 3/14 almost exactly 3 months ago.

Brad Beal scores 36 points, 6 rebound and 7 assists ON 13/15 shooting from the field......


I would argue that any man who can step on an NBA floor and put up that kind of statline on 87% shooting is not in decline... Thats just my personal theory tho..




THAT IS FOOTAGE OF A PLAYER IN DECLINE??


Your telling me that player is in decline?! Sorry but I CANT BELIEVE THAT ONE... I'm gonna need to see further evidence.. What I've seen so far is woefully inconclusive.


Was Brad Beal not someone who always took insane care of his body? Cuz I must've really missed something... You think that Bron is gonna play til he's 50 and Brad Beal is gonna decline at 29? I'd argue that Shooting doesnt age the way somethings in the NBA do, like speed..

LOL.

So 2 seasons where his numbers were in decline doesn't matter.

Him playing 90/164 possible games doesn't matter

BUT ONE GAME WHERE HE JUST WENT OFF. THAT'S ALL THE PROOF WE NEED

 

[The_Jamal]

Fox Reggie Jackson
Monk Andre Jackson
Keegan Barnes
OG Sasha
Sabonis Lyles

or

Fox Monk
Beal Andre Jackson
Keegan Edwards
Sasha Lyles
Sabonis Queta Tshiebwe

Not even funny how much better the first team is.

 

[206Fan]

SO i get people dont like the big contract but what happens when we use the money on a bunch of role players n they turn out to be duds like Holmes...


The Holmes contract certainly hurt us this season, we'd maybe have enough to beat the warriors if we were getting production for that 11mil..

Brad Beal is absolutely one of the best SG's on the planet.

I read an article on Yahoo about the Bulls quietly gauging the market for LaVine. He's going to cost more than Beal, but if we trade for a star SG, that's the one we should shoot for. Zach is finally healthy. I've wanted him on this team since his Minnesota days. He has a long-term contract, but it's much cheaper than Beal's (8-10mpy cheaper every year). Maybe he's the one we wait for...

Beal's contract is just way too awful imo.

23-24: 46.7million
24-25: 50.2million
25-26: 53.6million
26-27: 57.1million

I can't get behind those numbers even if I think he's a good player. Washington giving him that contract was absolutely insane in the first place.