Kings reportedly involved in Brad Beal trade talks but not deep enough in to matter

SacTownKid

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pdxKingsFan said:
Some food for thought regardless of how good a player Beal is:
A lot of our guys had chips on their shoulders or at least otherwise felt they had something huge to prove last season. Hopefully this continues with the disrespect we received in the post-season.

Beal has his bag and plays 3/4 of a season. Does he fit the culture?
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Here's the main reasons why I've been peaked on Beal for awhile. The rumors of his interest in the Wiz getting Domas is a big one. Him sticking it out with the Wiz even though they're a ****show is another. There's loyalty there. Then there's the fact that Beals best years were next to Wall. He and Fox working isn't even a question in my mind.
 
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The_Jamal said:
Trey Lyles.

I want to dig a bit further into Lyles numbers this off-season, but I honestly think he's just a starting caliber player at this point with true 4/5 flexibility. If he were on another team, he'd certainly be a guy who cracks my FA wishlist as a breakout candidate with a larger role. And the sample is big enough now with the Kings where I think he actually has figured something out with his game and taken it to another level.
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I think a defender is a better way to go at that point. You would need the scoring of Lyles a lot less if a trade like this went down.
 
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SacTownKid said:
I think a defender is a better way to go at that point. You would need the scoring of Lyles a lot less if a trade like this went down.
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There's the rub. I actually think Lyles is a pretty good defender.

Kings were 2.1 points better defensively with him on the floor in the regular season and 5.4 points better defensively with him on the floor in the playoffs. And he's just sneaky athletic for a guy who's kind of got a stocky frame to him. He's not easy to move around in the paint and has the agility to still get out on shooters. Also gives a great secondary rebounder for Domas, which was a clear disadvantage a lot of the time last season.

Lyles really isn't a "scorer" type anyway. He's a spacer with the ability to attack a closeout. His .588 3PA rate clearly shows that. Very valuable. He's basically never just straight up taking USG out of the hands of guys who need it (in this case, Fox/Beal/Sabonis).
 
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The_Jamal said:
There's the rub. I actually think Lyles is a pretty good defender.

Kings were 2.1 points better defensively with him on the floor in the regular season and 5.4 points better defensively with him on the floor in the playoffs. And he's just sneaky athletic for a guy who's kind of got a stocky frame to him. He's not easy to move around in the paint and has the agility to still get out on shooters. Also gives a great secondary rebounder for Domas, which was a clear disadvantage a lot of the time last season.

Lyles really isn't a "scorer" type anyway. He's a spacer with the ability to attack a closeout. His .588 3PA rate clearly shows that. Very valuable. He's basically never just straight up taking USG out of the hands of guys who need it (in this case, Fox/Beal/Sabonis).
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He's not terrible but paying someone like Lyles for defense is money much better off invested in actual proven defenders IMO. Especially ones that can guard on the wing. It would also put much less pressure on Keegan to stick to quicker types. I think you can realistically slot in an Edwards type with a team like that. Lyles as a backup scoring option could still be in the cards. Lyles could prove out to be your starter, having a solidified top 3 talent core would give Brown the option to put whoever he needed in that slot on a night to night basis honestly. Getting Beal or a player of that talent level also gives Monte huge advantages with Sasha because now he could offer him a starting spot.
 
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SacTownKid said:
He's not terrible but paying someone like Lyles for defense is money much better off invested in actual proven defenders IMO. Especially ones that can guard on the wing. It would also put much less pressure on Keegan to stick to quicker types. I think you can realistically slot in an Edwards type with a team like that. Lyles as a backup scoring option could still be in the cards. Lyles could prove out to be your starter, having a solidified top 3 talent core would give Brown the option to put whoever he needed in that slot on a night to night basis honestly.
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You're paying for the overall player, not just for defense?

I'm really starting to pay attention to how the D-only types are quickly getting phased out of the NBA. Really, the floor seems to be like KCP in terms of what you need to stay on the floor for longer than 15 minutes in the NBA.

Lyles is very much a "Jack of all trades" type of guy where he's pretty solid at everything. And he's a big man spacer, which is an elite quality you need to stay on the floor. I think that's just more valuable now than the Craig/Tucker types that really don't give you anything offensively.
 
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The_Jamal said:
You're paying for the overall player, not just for defense?

I'm really starting to pay attention to how the D-only types are quickly getting phased out of the NBA. Really, the floor seems to be like KCP in terms of what you need to stay on the floor for longer than 15 minutes in the NBA.

Lyles is very much a "Jack of all trades" type of guy where he's pretty solid at everything. And he's a big man spacer, which is an elite quality you need to stay on the floor. I think that's just more valuable now than the Craig/Tucker types that really don't give you anything offensively.
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Yeah, but he's going to be a production type at the height of his value. The question is about how much room for production is at that spot after a deal like this. The Kings shot distribution chart would likely balance out to something more realistic to a team that will compete come playoff time. No more Fox getting his and then everybody gets their 10-11 shots. That fantasy crap and we saw that come playoff time when some of those 10-11 shots per game guys vanished into thin air and Fox and Monk said here, I'll do the damn thing. You also have to factor in Sasha coming in. Having two scorers at PF might not be workable. Lyles at that point as a backup C makes most sense to me. But either way, the results will guide Brown at that point even if that means Lyles starts and Brown not being forced into staggering Fox/Domas would be a HUGE burden off of his back for sure. Monte just can't afford to overpay for any production guys if he lands a 3rd star. It's simply not as needed.
 
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I’ll have to ask my boss hopefully soon when the chance presents itself, I definently won’t go out of may way and or ask specific questions, I’ll let him tell me by asking other questions about the organization.

My boss, one minority owner of the Wizards (monumental sports investor ) might have some insight. Though I would be plagued with the idea of leaking information and highly likely won’t happen on my part. It would be fun to know what is going to happen and you guys won’t :). Sorry to lead you on.

As for Beal on the Kings, he’s become a notorious player in my eyes that got paid and then started having (hamstring issues and injuries). I personally don’t think any good trade comes of this.
 
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Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/statuses/1669459952811769856

I mean, we can’t trade the 25 pick yet because of the Huerter trade protections but if this is the sort of deal that Wizard fans are cool with, a Beal trade may not be impossible after all haha
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And Beal basically makes the call on the parts from what I read. If that's true and the Wiz want out of that contract, then all Monte has to do is convince Beal to not include the future pick at all, haha.
 
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Tetsujin said:
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It's funny, you'd think they'd do a little more homework into the Kings cap situation. The Kings being able to give the Wiz some salary relief is a big part I would think. That's one of the worst contracts in the league when you factor in the no trade, lol. The Kings are one of the few teams that can give them a bunch of stuff and are right on the doorstep to potentially doing something great with a talent boost.
 
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I Dont know Beals personality too much. He seems like a decent dude. Will he want to be #1? Does he think he will be? Will he screw up the locker room/chemistry? That contract looks terrible.
 
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mrlaze said:
I Dont know Beals personality too much. He seems like a decent dude. Will he want to be #1? Does he think he will be? Will he screw up the locker room/chemistry? That contract looks terrible.
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Doubtful. I'll bring it up again, there were rumors that before Domas was traded to the Kings that Beal was in his GM's ear about wanting him to trade for Domas. Maybe that's BS but if not, there's your inside track as to what kind of player he is. His most competitive years were next to Wall how everyone considers a match for Fox as a player in many ways.
 
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I will say that if Domas and Fox were lobbying for Beal it would assuage many concerns I have. Beal wanting to play with Domas doesn't quite do that for me though.
 
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pdxKingsFan said:
I will say that if Domas and Fox were lobbying for Beal it would assuage many concerns I have. Beal wanting to play with Domas doesn't quite do that for me though.
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Well obviously I'm sure Monte would ask them, and if he even called the Wiz, he better have already run it by them. The way Fox kind of put Keegan on the spot last year when answering questions about Sasha makes me think anything that doesn't directly get in his way to winning is what he's looking for. Dude wants to win, but dudes also smart. He knows they have a ways to go I'm sure.
 
Tetsujin

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The Brad Beal injury narrative is a bit overblown in my opinion.

That 40 game season involved an actual injury sure but he also missed the last couple of months of the season due to "injury" thanks to the Wizards realizing they weren't good enough to make the postseason and deciding they wanted to tank instead of win. The season before that, he played in 60 out of 72 possible games despite missing a swath of road games due to his vax status and rested for most of the last week of the season as his team was getting ready for the postseason.

The 2019-2020 season where he played 50 games also has a major asterisk as he didn't play in the bubble and thus had a bunch of games that he technically missed.

This season, Beal missed games due to a hammy then kept coming back too early and reaggrevating it again and again only for his team to once again be so bad that it shut him down mid-March in the hope of tanking for a good pick.


Sure the guy's had his nicks and bruises but he's never had one of those "never going to be the same again" types of injuries that would give me pause like John Wall did (shredding his knee and then tearing his achilles while healing from his shredded knee).

Hell, if we're being fair, OG's probably the guy to be more concerned about in terms of the structural integrity of his extremities, given the injury that dropped him to the Raptors in the draft in the first place.
 
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If only the Kings had more stagnant money on their roster with only one or two years left to make salaries work. It’s really just Holmes.

Just for the sake of making salaries work…Getting Beal would require 2 starters(Keegan, Huerter) and one of Davion or Monk…and picks.

Other teams would be able to get Beal for far less immediate talent and picks because most teams have about 20 million or more in regrettable contracts in the last couple of years to make the salaries work.

Kings just aren’t currently structured to make a run for Beal. They have spent their money pretty wisely and didn’t get caught up in too many bad deals the last couple of years. Except Holmes.

plus Beal has been missing a lot of work the last two seasons. Also, it would completely remake the team. It’s like the Washington Wizards from 5 years ago +Domas. That’s better than the the Wizards from 5 years ago but I think we lose too many key players and we can build a contender through smaller moves.

All the best players on the Kings have yet to have their best seasons IMO. We got a group of guys who are all about to enter the peak of their careers and Keegan who will improve but is probably still a couple of years from his peak.
 
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@Capt. Factorial might need to confirm this is possible, but if you’re allowed to use your 1st round pick’s salary in a trade (maybe it has to happen later or something), then the following trade would allow us to keep all of our cap holds in place (Barnes, Davis, Lyles, etc.)…

Kevin Huerter
Richaun Holmes
Davion Mitchell
PJ Dozier
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Bradley Beal

Again, you’d still be able to go over the cap to resign Barnes, Davis, and/or Lyles while also keeping your $12.2 mil MLE in place.

PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Beal / Davis
SF - Murray / Edwards
PF - Barnes / Lyles
C - Sabonis
Picks - #38 / #54
Exceptions - MLE
 
SacTownKid

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Kingz19 said:
If only the Kings had more stagnant money on their roster with only one or two years left to make salaries work. It’s really just Holmes.

Just for the sake of making salaries work…Getting Beal would require 2 starters(Keegan, Huerter) and one of Davion or Monk…and picks.

Other teams would be able to get Beal for far less immediate talent and picks because most teams have about 20 million or more in regrettable contracts in the last couple of years to make the salaries work.

Kings just aren’t currently structured to make a run for Beal. They have spent their money pretty wisely and didn’t get caught up in too many bad deals the last couple of years. Except Holmes.

plus Beal has been missing a lot of work the last two seasons. Also, it would completely remake the team. It’s like the Washington Wizards from 5 years ago +Domas. That’s better than the the Wizards from 5 years ago but I think we lose too many key players and we can build a contender through smaller moves.

All the best players on the Kings have yet to have their best seasons IMO. We got a group of guys who are all about to enter the peak of their careers and Keegan who will improve but is probably still a couple of years from his peak.
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Actually the Kings are perfectly structured to make a deal like this. They have enough waivable cap holds to give the Wiz some immediate cap relief once FA starts. Unless the Kings just let guys go and spend no money this summer that goes bye bye once the season starts.
 
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twslam07 said:
@Capt. Factorial might need to confirm this is possible, but if you’re allowed to use your 1st round pick’s salary in a trade (maybe it has to happen later or something), then the following trade would allow us to keep all of our cap holds in place (Barnes, Davis, Lyles, etc.)…

Kevin Huerter
Richaun Holmes
Davion Mitchell
PJ Dozier
#24

for

Bradley Beal

Again, you’d still be able to go over the cap to resign Barnes, Davis, and/or Lyles while also keeping your $12.2 mil MLE in place.

PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Beal / Davis
SF - Murray / Edwards
PF - Barnes / Lyles
C - Sabonis
Picks - #38 / #54
Exceptions - MLE
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how does Washington justify trading there best player for a backup pg and the 24th pick? Huerter holds little value to a rebuilding team
 
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twslam07 said:
@Capt. Factorial might need to confirm this is possible, but if you’re allowed to use your 1st round pick’s salary in a trade (maybe it has to happen later or something)
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You can't sign-and-trade a drafted player. So I think if you sign a draft pick you have to wait until Dec. 15th to trade them. Selected players can be traded before they sign, but their salary-matching value is $0.
 
SacTownKid

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Joshoua said:
how does Washington justify trading there best player for a backup pg and the 24th pick? Huerter holds little value to a rebuilding team
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We don't know for sure that the Wizards are looking to fully rebuild. Sounds more like a partial reset or re-tooling to me. Their interest in re-signing Kuz will he a pretty good sign of their intentions. I'm not sure there is a team out there that can both give the Wizards a full and valuable rebuild package AND give Beal the willingness to sign off. Beal isn't likely going to go to a team that isn't trying to contend now.
 
Ozymandias

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I like Brad Beal, on the court he'd fit in great. He is more consistent than Kev and Malik, both SG's I really like, but lets keep it 100 they aren't Brad "the real deal" Beal. He's also a great veteran for a younger roster/lockerroom. Unsure about the $$$ situation though.

He'd be the best SG here since Mitch Richmond, no? I mean... He did earn that contract.. We're talking about one of the very best SG's around.

If the core can be kept mostly intact its an avenue that must be explored.
 
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