[Game] Kings @ Magic, 11/05/2022 2pm Pacific, 5pm Eastern
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I don't think there is anyone out here that is entirely happy about what we saw today outside of the last shot. But just as we are long past celebrating moral victories, it's probably beyond time that we can celebrate this team for gritting out wins like Charlotte and Orlando. The team that lost to Portland on opening night doesn't win today. They kept their composure. For the most part they didn't pout if a call didn't go their way (did TD get yanked after his tech?). For the first time since "scores" we seem to be building an identity, and this one is a lot grittier with dirty fingernails. I like it.
But yeah, it's a work in progress. I think this team has it in them to finish a few games above .500, that means we're still going to be disappointed a few times less than half.
But yeah, it's a work in progress. I think this team has it in them to finish a few games above .500, that means we're still going to be disappointed a few times less than half.
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It’s always funny to me how people discount others opinions to their own opinions. Or just don’t recognize the double standard.
Kinda like how when people get offended by something they fail to consider that someone might be offended by them being offended. They can’t see it both ways. Only their opinion/offense matters. SMH.
It’s always funny to me how people discount others opinions to their own opinions. Or just don’t recognize the double standard.
Kinda like how when people get offended by something they fail to consider that someone might be offended by them being offended. They can’t see it both ways. Only their opinion/offense matters. SMH.
You can make a good argument they should be 5-3 with a couple bounces which is almost preposterous looking at the schedule. And that's giving away the Clippers and Warriors games which had some spectacular performances by the star players carrying the way in what still wound up close on the final scoresheet. We've only been out of one game, but we've come back to win two we were completely out of at halftime.
I was starting to dread the type of start that New Orleans enjoyed last year and just hoping for all hope that the team wouldn't tune out - I have small tears watching the Kings celebrating that win. I daresay they might all like each other and are still bought in. That's huge.
Always remember the 99 turnaround Kings were 5 games under .500 with 11 to go.
I was starting to dread the type of start that New Orleans enjoyed last year and just hoping for all hope that the team wouldn't tune out - I have small tears watching the Kings celebrating that win. I daresay they might all like each other and are still bought in. That's huge.
Always remember the 99 turnaround Kings were 5 games under .500 with 11 to go.
It's important to understand this about the team. It's built to be solid, amd just good enough to slide into the playoffs barring any unforseen situations.
That being said, it is much more fun to watch this team than the the ones from the last few seasons. We're talking strategy and not talking about how much we loathe player x, y and z.
That being said, it is much more fun to watch this team than the the ones from the last few seasons. We're talking strategy and not talking about how much we loathe player x, y and z.
In the interest of open discussion then, do you think it's fair to criticize Fox while simultaneously salivating over Banchero's potential in a game where Fox scored more points on less shots than Banchero and hit the game-winner? If the Kings win this one then we beat a "bad Orlando team" but if they lose they can't even beat a bad Orlando team. There has to be another option there. In fact they did win yet the argument now for some is that they should have won by more? That Fox got tunnel vision as usual but Banchero didn't because he slyly chose not to score at all in OT? It's not the difference of opinion that people are taking exception to but the disingenuous nature of how some opinions are expressed. All criticism of the team defense down the stretch is warranted but surely we can be a little bit happy after a win considering how few and far between those highs have been for us.
The layup drill for opposing teams is glaring.
It may be as simple as playing KZ to defend Wagner, but a changing of the guard might be necessary.
An answer might be on the Orlando team rn in Mo Bamba. He is currently not trade eligible, but a Jonathan Isaac and Mo Bamba for Holmes and Barnes might be worth it. We have Isaac longer than Barnes but get much needed length and shotblocking.
Kuminga has only played 65 mins this season including several DNPs. What about Davion for Kuminga? Poole is not spelling relief for Curry as he is being paid to do and Monk has been surprisingly capable of being a ballhandler and playmaker.
As mentioned it may be time to strike on a Ben Simmons deal.
The husk of Barnes is not getting it done and due to a nightly layup drill coach Brown may need some personnel to change this team on the defensive end. Yes, I know Davion is a solid defender, but I am specifically referring to a player capable of helping down low. Kuminga may not fit that bill, but in that case it may be a talent upgrade
It may be as simple as playing KZ to defend Wagner, but a changing of the guard might be necessary.
An answer might be on the Orlando team rn in Mo Bamba. He is currently not trade eligible, but a Jonathan Isaac and Mo Bamba for Holmes and Barnes might be worth it. We have Isaac longer than Barnes but get much needed length and shotblocking.
Kuminga has only played 65 mins this season including several DNPs. What about Davion for Kuminga? Poole is not spelling relief for Curry as he is being paid to do and Monk has been surprisingly capable of being a ballhandler and playmaker.
As mentioned it may be time to strike on a Ben Simmons deal.
The husk of Barnes is not getting it done and due to a nightly layup drill coach Brown may need some personnel to change this team on the defensive end. Yes, I know Davion is a solid defender, but I am specifically referring to a player capable of helping down low. Kuminga may not fit that bill, but in that case it may be a talent upgrade
KZ for sure would help but if there's an answer, which it probably isn't a great one but the best Browns got, it's to rely less on help, less drop, and attack ball handlers off screens instead. This not working also goes for trying to get "skinny" on every pick and roll and have the big drop down. Fox can do that. KZ can do that. Murray and Barnes can't. They just can't. However they can cross match up and down which is actually what you want. Join the modern NBA or get left behind. It's same story 3 years running.
I think the biggest difference we've seen with this Kings team 8 games in is that they don't quit. Down 20 on the road in an afternoon game at half has historically just been a death sentence. Clawing back from the Hornets on the road. Getting cheated out of OT in the Heat game without Fox. Fighting back in the 4th quarter vs the Warriors to make it somewhat of a game.
They've had stretches during a game where they look absolutely pathetic (1H of this game, the Hornets game and our Heat win come to mind), but they've found a way to find another gear and at least go compete. Especially defensively, they really do start to lock and find stretches of just great defensive basketball. That's reasonable progress to me.
Really, if HB just figures out how to shoot again and is even 70-80% of what he was last season; that fixes a lot of issues we're having on the offense. Keegan is in a rough stretch, but that's to be expected of a rookie. He'll turn it around again.
I just don’t think he makes much sense coming off the bench. Especially with Lyles playing himself into being a regular.
I always figured it was 12 minutes a game starting the first and third for KZ or nothing. The vision was that the other four starters would be dynamite offensively and KZ could give the opponents best scorer problems giving the Kings a big edge to start games. The Kings starters weren’t dynamite to start the game and for the most part are still struggling to find consistent balance.
I liked the idea but KZ’s starts were coupled with the rest of the front court not producing offensively either…Barnes especially.
Should they decide to move Barnes to the bench I think KZ gets the starting role back but I don’t see him playing minutes off the bench since the bench for the most part has already been struggling to score
KZ really only made sense in that short use starter role.
I think it was the same for KZ in Miami. He would get starts or he wouldn’t play.
I always figured it was 12 minutes a game starting the first and third for KZ or nothing. The vision was that the other four starters would be dynamite offensively and KZ could give the opponents best scorer problems giving the Kings a big edge to start games. The Kings starters weren’t dynamite to start the game and for the most part are still struggling to find consistent balance.
I liked the idea but KZ’s starts were coupled with the rest of the front court not producing offensively either…Barnes especially.
Should they decide to move Barnes to the bench I think KZ gets the starting role back but I don’t see him playing minutes off the bench since the bench for the most part has already been struggling to score
KZ really only made sense in that short use starter role.
I think it was the same for KZ in Miami. He would get starts or he wouldn’t play.
I mean, this is a silly way to look at our schedule so far. GSW is struggling but they're still the Warriors. They're going to be in the playoffs. Miami too. Clippers regular season basically doesn't matter, they're just trying to get Kawhi/PG healthy into the playoffs and then they can beat anyone in the NBA
The only bad teams we've played are the Hornets/Magic and we came away with 2 wins. Portland was a winnable game around our talent level as well that was a frustrating loss. Even still, they're showing that they're much better than everyone expected. Everyone else has been a league powerhouse the last few years and probably finishes top 5-6 at a minimum in their conference.
Step 1 to becoming a good team is beating bad teams, especially on the road. It was ugly, but at the end of the day, still counts as a W on the backs of our 2 best players. Up to them to fix the problems and build on it.
The only bad teams we've played are the Hornets/Magic and we came away with 2 wins. Portland was a winnable game around our talent level as well that was a frustrating loss. Even still, they're showing that they're much better than everyone expected. Everyone else has been a league powerhouse the last few years and probably finishes top 5-6 at a minimum in their conference.
Step 1 to becoming a good team is beating bad teams, especially on the road. It was ugly, but at the end of the day, still counts as a W on the backs of our 2 best players. Up to them to fix the problems and build on it.
I haven’t watched the game yet but I was really worried about this one because of the perception of Orlando.
We have to treat each game as going against one of the most talented teams in the world because in most cases it is. I don’t think it’s smart to look at a schedule and pencil in who we should beat. Sometimes it’s just a bad matchup but we can win again every team and lose against any team.
Instead I’d like to see us focus our trends (making or missing free throws). Defense against straight line drives) how certain line ups play together, maximizing a players talents and so on. Figuring out how to clean issues up and double down on what we do well.
Hopefully the coaching staff is already doing this.
We have to treat each game as going against one of the most talented teams in the world because in most cases it is. I don’t think it’s smart to look at a schedule and pencil in who we should beat. Sometimes it’s just a bad matchup but we can win again every team and lose against any team.
Instead I’d like to see us focus our trends (making or missing free throws). Defense against straight line drives) how certain line ups play together, maximizing a players talents and so on. Figuring out how to clean issues up and double down on what we do well.
Hopefully the coaching staff is already doing this.
I would have him ready at all times to jump off the bench, when we really need a stop. Whether he's in regular rotation or not, he should be used in certain spots. This should have always been his role. Otherwise we have Brown promoting a player as a potential all defensive guy, that he won't even use.
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