NFL 2022-2023 Season Thread
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There's just inherent value in going for it when your team has a chance. We're probably the best defense in football when healthy, have the best LT in football and now have the best skill position grouping in the NFL. Yeah, Jimmy G is a bottom-tier starting QB, but we literally could not have a better supporting cast to get it done around him.
I don't think the Rams care about the 2nd and 3rd pick they traded for Von Miller just to lose him that off-season. Pass rusher is infinetely more valuable, but I think a CMC caliber back in the Shammy run scheme has a chance to be truly game-breaking and he's locked up with the rest of our core that's also currently in their prime.
I don't think the Rams care about the 2nd and 3rd pick they traded for Von Miller just to lose him that off-season. Pass rusher is infinetely more valuable, but I think a CMC caliber back in the Shammy run scheme has a chance to be truly game-breaking and he's locked up with the rest of our core that's also currently in their prime.
Running Jeff Wilson and Tevin Coleman as your RB duo is a problem in the year of our lord 2022... as admirably as Wilson has filled in as a starter.
We can debate the value of RB's to actually winning, but "slight upgrade" is just a foolish statement in regards to going from Wilson to CMC. It's a fringe NFL rotation back to the best RB in football (or top 3 if you don't want to give him that moniker with his injuries the last 2 years).
We can debate the value of RB's to actually winning, but "slight upgrade" is just a foolish statement in regards to going from Wilson to CMC. It's a fringe NFL rotation back to the best RB in football (or top 3 if you don't want to give him that moniker with his injuries the last 2 years).
Right. Like even if the dude is diminished from what he was before his last two injured seasons, he still just had 160 yards from scrimmage against the Rams last season.
The Niners can now lineup a Deebo/Aiyuk/Kittle/Juice/CMC group on third down and have any of those guys either run the ball or catch passes. It's possibly the most versatile group of skill players assembled in the NFL over the last decade.
The Niners can now lineup a Deebo/Aiyuk/Kittle/Juice/CMC group on third down and have any of those guys either run the ball or catch passes. It's possibly the most versatile group of skill players assembled in the NFL over the last decade.
Christian McCaffrey, Marshall Faulk, Roger Craig. Those are the three players in NFL history to have 1000 yards rushing and receiving in the same season.
I get that was two years ago but he’s still roughly on pace for 1800 yards from scrimmage this year despite playing on an absolutely moribund Panthers team led on offense by noted football nimrod Ben McAdoo.
His injury history is a bunch of sprains and strains to various parts of his body which would indicate bad luck more than anything structurally wrong. He’s also still only 26 and finally playing behind an O-line that isn’t going to get him killed.
I get that was two years ago but he’s still roughly on pace for 1800 yards from scrimmage this year despite playing on an absolutely moribund Panthers team led on offense by noted football nimrod Ben McAdoo.
His injury history is a bunch of sprains and strains to various parts of his body which would indicate bad luck more than anything structurally wrong. He’s also still only 26 and finally playing behind an O-line that isn’t going to get him killed.
I get the whole "QBs win games" argument and hopefully we'll have us a QB who can win us games when Trey Lance comes back next year and finally has a chance to develop (knock on wood) but until then ShanaLynch have pretty much constructed the most Jimmy-proof team they possibly could.
The Niners have All-Pros at RB, WR, TE, and left tackle and more importantly for a QB who either refuses to or can't consistently throw beyond twenty yards downfield all of those guys are at their best working in short and intermediate range from the LOS.
Just by virtue of having so many weapons on the field at once, there's going to be at least one mismatch on the field every single play be it Kittle being matched up with a LB or CB or Deebo or CMC being covered by a linebacker. And if all else fails, you can just alternate handing the ball off to Deebo and CMC every other play until either one of them breaks off a huge play.
Anthony Lynn turned Austin Ekeler into one of the best pass-catching running backs in the league with the Chargers so CMC is right in his wheelhouse as well. (He also played with his dad for Mike Shanahan in Denver.)
Obviously injuries remain a huge concern but now you've got CMC to man the backfield until Elijah Mitchell gets right and Mitchell to replace him if he gets banged up as well with both guys hopefully capable of playing in the postseason.
It's a huge gamble, of course, but the Niners were already not in control of their first rounder this year but by giving up all the capital they did in this trade (three picks this year, one next), they've essentially limited most of the price to this season when they were already trying to win as many games as possible anyways.
Next season, they're in control of their day one and two picks again so it becomes slightly less pressing to not suck so bad that your picks wind up really valuable. (The cap going up over the next couple of years thanks to the Amazon TNF money also helps.)
The Niners have All-Pros at RB, WR, TE, and left tackle and more importantly for a QB who either refuses to or can't consistently throw beyond twenty yards downfield all of those guys are at their best working in short and intermediate range from the LOS.
Just by virtue of having so many weapons on the field at once, there's going to be at least one mismatch on the field every single play be it Kittle being matched up with a LB or CB or Deebo or CMC being covered by a linebacker. And if all else fails, you can just alternate handing the ball off to Deebo and CMC every other play until either one of them breaks off a huge play.
Anthony Lynn turned Austin Ekeler into one of the best pass-catching running backs in the league with the Chargers so CMC is right in his wheelhouse as well. (He also played with his dad for Mike Shanahan in Denver.)
Obviously injuries remain a huge concern but now you've got CMC to man the backfield until Elijah Mitchell gets right and Mitchell to replace him if he gets banged up as well with both guys hopefully capable of playing in the postseason.
It's a huge gamble, of course, but the Niners were already not in control of their first rounder this year but by giving up all the capital they did in this trade (three picks this year, one next), they've essentially limited most of the price to this season when they were already trying to win as many games as possible anyways.
Next season, they're in control of their day one and two picks again so it becomes slightly less pressing to not suck so bad that your picks wind up really valuable. (The cap going up over the next couple of years thanks to the Amazon TNF money also helps.)
I wanna pick your brain on your thoughts on trey being a bust. I hear this from so many 9er fans and it just blows my mind. What have you seen that says he’s a bust?
Josh Allen was a turnover machine his first year and Buffalo fans were already souring on him. Philly fan was attempting to run Jalen Hurts out of town until he started ballin this year. Why are football fans so willing to run talent out of town having never seen them play or before they are given the chance to develop?
Josh Allen was a turnover machine his first year and Buffalo fans were already souring on him. Philly fan was attempting to run Jalen Hurts out of town until he started ballin this year. Why are football fans so willing to run talent out of town having never seen them play or before they are given the chance to develop?
I’m with him on this one. Dude’s going to have four years off between his last extended series of football when he returns next year, and that was against subpar D2 talent. He’s now coming off a major injury, still has massive inexperience and rawness, and there’s constant smoke that he just isn’t great when he does practice and play. I squinted and tried to see it. The splash plays Jim could never make are nice, but he can’t do the finesse yet that this offense needs. And they’re not going to waste CMC’s remaining time with Lance throwing screens directly into the dirt.
I think it’s going to be an uphill climb for Trey and next season he’s at best in an “open competition” he’ll probably lose just outright.
I think it’s going to be an uphill climb for Trey and next season he’s at best in an “open competition” he’ll probably lose just outright.
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The injuries are reason enough not to have pulled this trade alone due to more risk. While main reasons were QB need, and already ok at RB - interestingly enough look at rushing leaders and there is Wilson 1 above McCaffrey with very similar statistics rushing --
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/rushing/table/rushing/sort/rushingYards/dir/desc
Now you might say they'll use McCaffrey as a receiver, and in that case I'd say then compare him to Samuel, not Wilson. So what will happen?
Wilson's minutes will be heavily cut even though he's averaged close 5 yd/carry rushing. One thing I dont know is how good of a blocker McCaffrey is.
Anyway I'd be pretty annoyed if I was Wilson - getting the short end of the stick; I do think McCaffrey is an upgrade though - I like his elusive style of running, but I think expectations are too high.
49ers value-mistake was letting Mostert go - he still has a year or 2 left in the tank - should've been kept for insurance at a low relative salary.
The McCaffey trade looks to be made out of a position of weakness spurred on by an eye-opening Falcons loss,. The offense failed when it was needed most, .....and Shanahan gets some blame of it too with that ridiculous 6 min drive down 2 TDs late. The defense is no longer there to save the day anymore with injuries.
You're gonna see the Chiefs score in the high 20s/ low 30s, and 49ers in the high teens or low 20s depending on player quality and injury status of defense. There's many other mediocre teams this year along with the Niners so its difficult to say how they'll do. Given their next 6 opponents going 6-6 is probable given all the injuries but could be 5-7 or 7-5. The Saints and Cardinals don't look particularly good, but neither do the 49ers.
Rams and Dolphins a toss up, and loss to the Chiefs. Come to think of it, I would've thought a loss to the Chargers, but Staley is such pea-brain 49ers win.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/rushing/table/rushing/sort/rushingYards/dir/desc
Now you might say they'll use McCaffrey as a receiver, and in that case I'd say then compare him to Samuel, not Wilson. So what will happen?
Wilson's minutes will be heavily cut even though he's averaged close 5 yd/carry rushing. One thing I dont know is how good of a blocker McCaffrey is.
Anyway I'd be pretty annoyed if I was Wilson - getting the short end of the stick; I do think McCaffrey is an upgrade though - I like his elusive style of running, but I think expectations are too high.
49ers value-mistake was letting Mostert go - he still has a year or 2 left in the tank - should've been kept for insurance at a low relative salary.
The McCaffey trade looks to be made out of a position of weakness spurred on by an eye-opening Falcons loss,. The offense failed when it was needed most, .....and Shanahan gets some blame of it too with that ridiculous 6 min drive down 2 TDs late. The defense is no longer there to save the day anymore with injuries.
You're gonna see the Chiefs score in the high 20s/ low 30s, and 49ers in the high teens or low 20s depending on player quality and injury status of defense. There's many other mediocre teams this year along with the Niners so its difficult to say how they'll do. Given their next 6 opponents going 6-6 is probable given all the injuries but could be 5-7 or 7-5. The Saints and Cardinals don't look particularly good, but neither do the 49ers.
Rams and Dolphins a toss up, and loss to the Chiefs. Come to think of it, I would've thought a loss to the Chargers, but Staley is such pea-brain 49ers win.