2022 Everything Free Agency/Trades Thread

My guess is we're quibbling over what the protection on the pick are. Barnes is a near perfect fit for what they want to accomplish with their cap sheet long-term, while giving them a win-now guy to stay competitive next year.
Lottery protection is what I would be asking for from a kings prospective. Collins is not that much better than Barnes to be including a potential top 13 pick.
 
My guess is we're quibbling over what the protection on the pick are. Barnes is a near perfect fit for what they want to accomplish with their cap sheet long-term, while giving them a win-now guy to stay competitive next year.
If the Spurs are selling, then we should go after Keldon Johnson. I just don't know what we would be willing to give up that they'd want.
 
Well, let's start here and then we can potentially move our way up the food chain. I'd rather have a roster chalk full of "Above average Kings players" than the usual nonsense we try to pass off as NBA talent.

Point is, DDV is young and good. Kings aren't in a position to be letting guys like that walk out the door without an actual plan to replace him (which may be the case, but we'll see).
And I understand that point of view as well, letting talent walk is for the most part a foolish way to run a team. I’m betting there’s a plan in place here though. My overall view of this whole DDV decision is we aren’t going to be winning with no actual 2 guards on the roster, which is why I believe there’s a definite plan here. On the flip side we’re still not going to be winning team all of a sudden with DDV starting for us at the 2 guard either so let’s cut our losses and look for something that’s worthwhile. Even with DDV brought back we’re in need of a 2 guard upgrade, we just have a more cluttered roster now.

Like let’s play out the scenarios here :

We give DDV a QO, he doesn’t get any offers out there and plays with us for a year and then walks as a UFA.

We give DDV a QO, some team tries to grab him with a multi year deal worth more than 7 mil of the offer and we match. Now he’s clogging the roster and we still need a 2 guard upgrade.

We let him walk right now, since he’s unhappy with the organization already and use this year to see if we can’t find a 2 guard of the future in TD or another FA.

DDV could always sign the QO, or we match another teams offer, retain him and he becomes our 2 guard of the future. But in his 4 years in the league and looking at statistical evidence this seems highly unlikely for him. And on a small market team, with a cheap owner, having unnecessary contracts eat into possible cap space is a huge proponent of how a team gets stuck in 16 years of mediocrity and no direction with little actual options to change course.
 
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised to see a Barnes for Huerter based flip either. Capt favorite Jalen Johnson+Huerter for Barnes works money wise. I think they'd jump at a chance to just straight up get off the Huerter money and balance their roster for next season.
A move like this makes a ton of sense and I’d be in complete support of.
 
And I understand that point of view as well, letting talent walk is for the most part a foolish way to run a team. I’m betting there’s a plan in place here though. My overall view of this whole DDV decision is we aren’t going to be winning with no actual 2 guards on the roster, which is why I believe there’s a definite plan here. On the flip side we’re still not going to be winning team all of a sudden with DDV starting for us at the 2 guard either so let’s cut our losses and look for something that’s worthwhile. Even with DDV brought back we’re in need of a 2 guard upgrade, we just have a more cluttered roster now.

Like let’s play out the scenarios here :

We give DDV a QO, he doesn’t get any offers out there and plays with us for a year and then walks as a UFA.

We give DDV a QO, some team tries to grab him with a multi year deal worth more than 7 mil of the offer and we match. Now he’s clogging the roster and we still need a 2 guard upgrade.

We let him walk right now, since he’s unhappy with the organization already and use this year to see if we can’t find a 2 guard of the future in TD or another FA.

DDV could always sign the QO, or we match another teams offer, retain him and he becomes our 2 guard of the future. But in his 4 years in the league and looking at statistical evidence this seems highly unlikely for him. And on a small market team, with a cheap owner, having unnecessary contracts eat into possible cap space is a huge proponent of how a team gets stuck in 16 years of mediocrity and no direction with little actual options to change course.
This is where I've disagreed with a few posters here. I think DDV IS a starting 2-guard and an excellent role player that impacts winnings. He has a few years of quality statistical evidence to back that up. I have 0 questions that a $10mil/season salary for him is an excellent value and would be worth it throughout his 4 years.
 
But anyway, I would think Malik Monk (or hope) is back on the radar with a starting job open. Excellent shooter/spacer and really good offensive impact numbers the last few seasons. Would be an awesome complimentary scorer/spacer off Fox/Sabonis creation. Has the Kentucky connection with Fox in college. He's a god awful defender, but we're apparently just banking on Davion being Gary Payton, so we may as well be good on offense if a good defense isn't in the cards.
 

pdxKingsFan

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It's interesting to see the Spurs stepping onto this path while Gregg Popovich still seems firmly committed to coaching. He hasn't steered a true rebuilding team since his first season head coaching the Spurs, and even then, it wasn't really a "rebuilding" situation. David Robinson was hurt, and the Spurs famously took Tim Duncan in the draft that year. Other than that first season on the job, Pop hadn't coached a Spurs team to a record below .500 until the 2019-2020 season (that's 22 straight years of winning records!), and they've remained mired in sub-.500 mediocrity since then, so it makes sense that they want to take an honest shot at a rebuild. I just can't imagine Gregg Popovich at his age in full-on development mode, dealing with the trials and tribulations of helping young players grow.
If I remember correctly Hill was the coach that season and was fired midway through (Pop was GM). I think he named himself full time coach once they won the lotto. I had a Spurs fan friend who was livid for years about this, which is funny now that Pop is probably on the NBA coaching Mt. Rushmore.
 
This is where I've disagreed with a few posters here. I think DDV IS a starting 2-guard and an excellent role player that impacts winnings. He has a few years of quality statistical evidence to back that up. I have 0 questions that a $10mil/season salary for him is an excellent value and would be worth it throughout his 4 years.
And if that’s how you see DDV I can see the frustration in not bucking up the money to retain him. I’m not that big of a believer in him. He’s about to be on his 4th team in 5 years soon, and was pretty easily replaced buy the Bucks, the team that knew him the best and where he was the biggest statistical plus for the team. The Bucks being another small market team aren’t quick to give up on assets they consider worthwhile or valuable as well.
 
But anyway, I would think Malik Monk (or hope) is back on the radar with a starting job open. Excellent shooter/spacer and really good offensive impact numbers the last few seasons. Would be an awesome complimentary scorer/spacer off Fox/Sabonis creation. Has the Kentucky connection with Fox in college. He's a god awful defender, but we're apparently just banking on Davion being Gary Payton, so we may as well be good on offense if a good defense isn't in the cards.
Monk has been the 2 guard I’ve been wanting since the start of FA. I’d also love to see Oladipo brought in as well on a cheap, rehab his stock year. But I’ve read a couple different reports on Monk, one saying he’d take less to stay with the Lakers if it was best for his career and he was seeing the court. Then another report later saying he was looking to get compensated since he took such a cheap deal last year.
 
But anyway, I would think Malik Monk (or hope) is back on the radar with a starting job open. Excellent shooter/spacer and really good offensive impact numbers the last few seasons. Would be an awesome complimentary scorer/spacer off Fox/Sabonis creation. Has the Kentucky connection with Fox in college. He's a god awful defender, but we're apparently just banking on Davion being Gary Payton, so we may as well be good on offense if a good defense isn't in the cards.
We don't have to bank on Davion being Gary Payton when we can just go out and sign Gary Payton. :D
 

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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised to see a Barnes for Huerter based flip either. Capt favorite Jalen Johnson+Huerter for Barnes works money wise. I think they'd jump at a chance to just straight up get off the Huerter money and balance their roster for next season.
I gotta tell you, I'm impressed that you guys can remember this stuff. Like I probably made maybe 5 posts expressing interest in Jalen Johnson in the draft a full year ago? Not denying I did, because I did. Just impressed that you remember.
 

pdxKingsFan

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This is where I've disagreed with a few posters here. I think DDV IS a starting 2-guard and an excellent role player that impacts winnings. He has a few years of quality statistical evidence to back that up. I have 0 questions that a $10mil/season salary for him is an excellent value and would be worth it throughout his 4 years.
I thought he was an MLE level guy no problem. Lots of folks disagree with that apparently. Part of me just thinks that because worse players get far more and every team basically has one MLE level contract to give each year.

I just hope we have an upgrade lined up.
 
I feel like that's dangerous with their acquisition of Murray. They could potentially be a lot better and we could be a high lottery team swapping back to like the 20th pick.
Yeh I just don’t think they would throw in a guy who was a first round pick just last year and looked decent in limited action. At least in a swap we still get to draft in the first and have 2 young assets instead of 1. Not sure if I do it, just thinking out loud
 
If I remember correctly Hill was the coach that season and was fired midway through (Pop was GM). I think he named himself full time coach once they won the lotto. I had a Spurs fan friend who was livid for years about this, which is funny now that Pop is probably on the NBA coaching Mt. Rushmore.
You are correct. Spurs went 3-15 to start off the season, Pop fired then head coach Bob Hill on December 10, 1996. And, nearly 30 years later, it has gone down as, easily, one of the top 3 moves in franchise history (Drafting Tim has to be number 1).
 
I can’t imagine Atlanta would include JJ in a Red Velvet for Barnes swap unless a pick was coming back no?
I'd say wait and see on him. The Hawks been pretty keen on drafting Duke forwards then letting them waste away and eventually just let them loose for peanuts when they land the new one. Johnson replaced Reddish, now Griffin can replace Johnson haha.
 
Yeah, if we go after Tobias, we should make the inclusion of Thybulle be a requirement, or any and all talks are shelved.
I'm kind of hoping that Monte clearing some space in the range of Thybulles deal was for a specific reason. I guess we have to see what Harden comes back on salary wise. Either way it could make more sense since the Sixers would get a TE out of the deal and potentially a full MLE to go spend on PJ.