The Official SPOILERS 2022 NBA Draft Thread

[The_Jamal]

but we really need to offload the rest of our junk before we can even develop those guys. I hope there's a thorough housecleaning but it may take until the deadline.

Do you? Or do you just need an owner willing to eat the 4 mil Alex Len contract and buy him out?

And even still, I don't think we even had a roster crunch where pick 37 couldn't be one of the 2-way contracts with Queta the other. Even if Venzkov comes over, we'd have space for an MLE FA signing and the ability to keep Metu or Jones. And it wouldn't be an issue anyway if you just cut the roster spots of guys who aren't going to play, if it came down to it.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Fox Mitchell
DDV TD
Barnes Mo
Murray ?
Sabonis Holmes

for now the ? is Metu I think let's not forget that Brown coached him in Nigeria. I think we need another SF who can spot at PF, and you have a 3 man primary between Barnes/Murray. For now that is Mo but that can not sustain.

Holmes is definitely a giant ? too. It was nice to see him at the Brown presser, but it also seems like the team met with him and his agent and they are probably looking to find a way to do right by everyone. I know this may be me being a softy but I really think it's only right if we do move him that we do it in a way that doesn't jeopardize his hard fought parental rights.

 

[209king]

”Leverage our position” is just code speak for “what I wanted them to do”.

There’s simply no winning with some people, just degrees of losing.

Fans complain when the KINGS land in the 6-10 draft range then complain when they move up somehow claiming it to be a bad thing. Unreal.

Guess what?! The KINGS had their choice of Murray, Ivey, Mathurin, and every player drafted afterward. Had they drafted where the Pistons and Pacers were, their options would have been more limited and dependent upon what the teams ahead of them decided to do. Just as they were with ORL, OKC and HOU ahead of them.

Stop your whining because it’s ridiculously stupid. The KINGS weren’t better off drafting 5, 6 or 7.

Beyond the top 3, they got the player they liked most. End of story.

Some of you read too much rumor and gossip and get unrealistic, greedy ideas stuck in your head.

Damn sorry you got your panties in a bunch over my comment chief, I’ve been a fan for a long time and I have every reason to be skeptical and jaded over the decisions the front office makes because they repeat the same mistakes constantly.

There seemed to be a lot of interest in our pick and the guys right below us are comparable or higher upside players than Murray. Having a dinner with team players showed our hand so no we didn’t leverage our position properly.

Even our recent picks were more fall in your lap types and we had no choice type of picks, we tend to shoot ourselves in the foot when we actually have that choice.

look around the arena and tell me it isn’t looking like a sad ghost town already, like I said let’s hope this high pick actually works out for us for once.

I’ll ‘whine’ on this board all I want until they get it right or maybe not , like I said there isn’t much interest left in me if they blow this

 

[Padrino]

Fine tune with what though? The Kings aren't exactly brimming with assets here. The ones they did have got dumped or used directly.

Free agency is not a boon for the Kings when it comes to acquiring high-level talent, but would anyone be dissatisfied with an addition like Otto Porter Jr. this off-season? As for trade assets, presumably Harrison Barnes and Richaun Holmes are not in the team's long-term plans. They also have future first rounders to play with, as well as a couple new future second rounders (that are apparently quite valuable, if you believe the disappointment emanating from various threads here at KF.com).

 

[SacTownKid]

Monte has to know this roster isn’t good enough. We still need shooting, we still need defense. He is going to have to find at least 2 guys in trades and signings this off-season

I don't think Murray is going to have nearly that 2nd-3rd year punch of Ivey with development but I hope Monte plays this part as safe as he did the draft. I thought the draft was the place to be aggressive. Getting aggressive now and still not winning could send this team back to the days of pinning your hopes on the Jason Thompsons or Spencers Hawes' of the world. The Kings could easily wave bye bye to their max summer of possible rebuilding if they re-sign role guys and use their MLE. It's that dicey.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Do you? Or do you just need an owner willing to eat the 4 mil Alex Len contract and buy him out?

And even still, I don't think we even had a roster crunch where pick 37 couldn't be one of the 2-way contracts with Queta the other. Even if Venzkov comes over, we'd have space for an MLE FA signing and the ability to keep Metu or Jones. And it wouldn't be an issue anyway if you just cut the roster spots of guys who aren't going to play, if it came down to it.

We're paying Len one way or another so I don't think this is a cheap issue, it's most likely the team wants to trade the contract as an expiring.

I know lots of folks of good teams were really salty that Golden State spends so much on their roster, but the only way you can spend 3x the cap on your roster is by always making sure that when a contract expires you replace it with one of equal value. Waiving players right now just means dead money.

 

[Padrino]

Agreed. That pick as a big bargaining chip though.

Sure. And other teams wanted Monte to undersell its value. So no deal. I'm glad he didn't blink.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Free agency is not a boon for the Kings when it comes to acquiring high-level talent, but would anyone be dissatisfied with an addition like Otto Porter Jr. this off-season? As for trade assets, presumably Harrison Barnes and Richaun Holmes are not in the team's long-term plans. They also have future first rounders to play with, as well as a couple new future second rounders (that are apparently quite valuable, if you believe the disappointment emanating from various threads here at KF.com).

I 100% would like us to go after Otto as long as he doesn't hold Murray back.

 

[hrdboild]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1540148422937829377

Not a ringing endorsement of Usman Garuba lol

I'm loving all of my draft crushes ending up on Houston and playing the same position. It means they will probably be available for cheap near the end of their rookie deals after getting limited minutes for three years. I still believe in Garuba and Eason, perhaps foolishly.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1540190534135820289

If Ham is down on it, the Kings may have just won the night.

 

[The_Jamal]

Fox Mitchell
DDV TD
Barnes Mo
Murray ?
Sabonis Holmes

Fox Mitchell
DDV TD
Barnes || Justin Holiday
Murray || Otto Porter FA MLE || EJ Liddell
Sabonis || Holmes

Mo Harkless, Alex Len, Trey Lyles TO, Damian Jones FA, Neemias Queta, Metu Non-Guaranteed are your remaining potential 6 contracts on the team. So even not being a cheap ass org, just sign Liddell and Queta on the 2-way and you still had the ability to keep all 17. If you run into roster # problems later in the off-season.... Buy out Len. Buy out Harkless. Choose one between Jones or Metu (which is probably the right call anyway).

Roster crunch is just a poor excuse for passing on this pick.

 

[iowamcnabb]

for now the ? is Metu I think let's not forget that Brown coached him in Nigeria. I think we need another SF who can spot at PF, and you have a 3 man primary between Barnes/Murray. For now that is Mo but that can not sustain.

Holmes is definitely a giant ? too. It was nice to see him at the Brown presser, but it also seems like the team met with him and his agent and they are probably looking to find a way to do right by everyone. I know this may be me being a softy but I really think it's only right if we do move him that we do it in a way that doesn't jeopardize his hard fought parental rights.

I feel like finding a trade partner for Holmes might be difficult. Dallas traded for Woods, Charlotte picked Mark Williams. To me that leaves Toronto (who apparently is after a high end center) and maybe the spurs if then move on from Poetl. I think it’s likely he stays with the kings or is salary filler on a bigger deal.

 

[Tetsujin]

I'm loving all of my draft crushes ending up on Houston and playing the same position. It means they will probably be available for cheap near the end of their rookie deals after getting limited minutes for three years. I still believe in Garuba and Eason, perhaps foolishly.

Also they're paying like four different people a max contract.

 

[BillyStrings]

I don't think Murray is going to have nearly that 2nd-3rd year punch of Ivey with development but I hope Monte plays this part as safe as he did the draft. I thought the draft was the place to be aggressive. Getting aggressive now and still not winning could send this team back to the days of pinning your hopes on the Jason Thompsons or Spencers Hawes' of the world. The Kings could easily wave bye bye to their max summer of possible rebuilding if they re-sign role guys and use their MLE. It's that dicey.

This.

 

[SacTownKid]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1540190534135820289

If Ham is down on it, the Kings may have just won the night.

Or Monte is waiting for some steam to waft away first. lol. "We tried to get back into the first but had a better deal 2 days ago".

 

[Padrino]

I 100% would like us to go after Otto as long as he doesn't hold Murray back.

Sh*t, I'd run him alongside Murray in the frontcourt.

Fox
DDV
Porter Jr.
Murray
Sabonis

That's a much stronger unit in two of the Kings' biggest areas of deficiency: defense and outside shooting. Is that a playoff-caliber starting unit? I dunno. But it's competitive in a lot of extremely important ways.

 

[Tetsujin]

Fox Mitchell
DDV TD
Barnes || Justin Holiday
Murray || Otto Porter FA MLE || EJ Liddell
Sabonis || Holmes

Mo Harkless, Alex Len, Trey Lyles TO, Damian Jones FA, Neemias Queta, Metu Non-Guaranteed are your remaining potential 6 contracts on the team. So even not being a cheap ass org, just sign Liddell and Queta on the 2-way and you still had the ability to keep all 17. If you run into roster # problems later in the off-season.... Buy out Len. Buy out Harkless. Choose one between Jones or Metu (which is probably the right call anyway).

Roster crunch is just a poor excuse for passing on this pick.

Are we considering the possibility that Monte had Liddell's medical records flagged?

 

[SacTownKid]

Fox Mitchell
DDV TD
Barnes || Justin Holiday
Murray || Otto Porter FA MLE || EJ Liddell
Sabonis || Holmes

Mo Harkless, Alex Len, Trey Lyles TO, Damian Jones FA, Neemias Queta, Metu Non-Guaranteed are your remaining potential 6 contracts on the team. So even not being a cheap ass org, just sign Liddell and Queta on the 2-way and you still had the ability to keep all 17. If you run into roster # problems later in the off-season.... Buy out Len. Buy out Harkless. Choose one between Jones or Metu (which is probably the right call anyway).

Roster crunch is just a poor excuse for passing on this pick.

And what would they be investing in Otto to begin with? If they went Ivey heck yeah, but he and Murray basically fill the same role. If that doesn't work and they are on the hook for two full MLE contracts with DDV and Porter this team is in trouble. Just good enough to not be real bad, and bad enough to not be real good even without Fox or Sabonis.

 

[Tetsujin]

Or Monte is waiting for some steam to waft away first. lol. "We tried to get back into the first but had a better deal 2 days ago".

Nah, it feels like the complete and total lack of player movement in general sorta indicates that the deals we thought Monte was getting offered weren't there after all. The only teams that made significant trades tonight were the Knicks, who by all accounts had an absolutely horrible evening, and OKC, who are a collection of skeletons masquerading as basketball players at this point.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I'm loving all of my draft crushes ending up on Houston and playing the same position. It means they will probably be available for cheap near the end of their rookie deals after getting limited minutes for three years. I still believe in Garuba and Eason, perhaps foolishly.

I love Sengun and hope he gets a chance to shine there. Last season they totally ignored him on offense.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Sh*t, I'd run him alongside Murray in the frontcourt.

Fox
DDV
Porter Jr.
Murray
Sabonis

That's a much stronger unit in two of the Kings' biggest areas of deficiency: defense and outside shooting. Is that a playoff-caliber starting unit? I dunno. But it's competitive in a lot of extremely important ways.

I am fine with that and if it means we package Barnes so be it. I think that's how you ultimately upgrade your roster the Golden State way. Move off an asset before it becomes a liability. They turned KD leaving into Wiggins who was a major piece for their title run.

 

[The_Jamal]

And what would they be investing in Otto to begin with? If they went Ivey heck yeah, but he and Murray basically fill the same role. If that doesn't work and they are on the hook for two full MLE contracts with DDV and Porter this team is in trouble. Just good enough to not be real bad, and bad enough to not be real good even without Fox or Sabonis.

We've disagreed on this point for months, but there's basically 0% chance now that DDV isn't kept. Especially with not grabbing Ivey.

And there's a pile of good FA's we can get that would help with the MLE, or at least a portion of it. And I already went through, they have max cap space with spending the MLE and keeping DDV at $10+mil/season.

 

[SacTownKid]

Sh*t, I'd run him alongside Murray in the frontcourt.

Fox
DDV
Porter Jr.
Murray
Sabonis

That's a much stronger unit in two of the Kings' biggest areas of deficiency: defense and outside shooting. Is that a playoff-caliber starting unit? I dunno. But it's competitive in a lot of extremely important ways.

That lateral footspeed from SF-C is not acceptable IMO. The Warriors played Porter at 4/5 with Draymond. He was never that great laterally although a smart defender but he can't defend full time on the wing at this point in his career for sure.

 

[The_Jamal]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1540192299451355142

Just when I think Monte couldn't get any dumber....


he totally goes and redeems himself!

 

[Tetsujin]

We've disagreed on this point for months, but there's basically 0% chance now that DDV isn't kept. Especially with not grabbing Ivey.

And there's a pile of good FA's we can get that would help with the MLE, or at least a portion of it. And I already went through, they have max cap space with spending the MLE and keeping DDV at $10+mil/season.

We don't even know how much the cap is gonna rise next season either. We could have max space + next year ever with DDV and the MLE on the books at more than expected.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1540192299451355142

Just when I think Monte couldn't get any dumber....


he totally goes and redeems himself!

Some of the people here wanted him picked at the 37 so I hope they're happy now.

 

[SacTownKid]

We've disagreed on this point for months, but there's basically 0% chance now that DDV isn't kept. Especially with not grabbing Ivey.

And there's a pile of good FA's we can get that would help with the MLE, or at least a portion of it. And I already went through, they have max cap space with spending the MLE and keeping DDV at $10+mil/season.

And what about Harrison?

 

[sdballer]

Nah, it feels like the complete and total lack of player movement in general sorta indicates that the deals we thought Monte was getting offered weren't there after all. The only teams that made significant trades tonight were the Knicks, who by all accounts had an absolutely horrible evening, and OKC, who are a collection of skeletons masquerading as basketball players at this point.

yep the thunder suck. On purpose. While accumulating tons of assets.

meanwhile we are trying to win. Don’t have those stockpiled assets.

and won a grand total of 6 more games last year

 

[Padrino]

I don't think Murray is going to have nearly that 2nd-3rd year punch of Ivey with development but I hope Monte plays this part as safe as he did the draft. I thought the draft was the place to be aggressive. Getting aggressive now and still not winning could send this team back to the days of pinning your hopes on the Jason Thompsons or Spencers Hawes' of the world. The Kings could easily wave bye bye to their max summer of possible rebuilding if they re-sign role guys and use their MLE. It's that dicey.

I've seen this argument from you repeatedly that the Kings need to preserve their "max summer." What do you actually imagine they'll even be able to do with that space, other than sign second or third tier talents to overpriced deals?

 

[hrdboild]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1540169601379598337

Nobody executes a draft day troll of their own fans as marvelously as the Knicks do. This is a symphony of fanbase trolling right here. "We're in every trade and yet we drafted nobody! You're welcome!" I actually feel bad for Spike Lee and co. Nobody deserves this.