All this dogging ivey. I don't understand it. Everything about his game says he will at least be a top scorer. He's too athletic not to be. Also his jump shot is not fox. He's got touch and nothing says he can't be a great shooter, Def a better shooter than Ja. It's the killer instict that separates Ja from lets say fox. Fox use to jump out the building if we remember. Ivey can be that guy. Only thing that can stop him is our development
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I'd say that's the friendliest comment. All this he can't shoot, plays no defense, hates kings, he's no ja comments don't make sense honestly to me. Fox and Ja was on same level until meph got better. Looking at Ivey highlights he's def got some Ja bounce on him. Neither one got edwards bounce imo who is just disgusting
There's a lot of debate on whether he's an off guard or a point guard. He seems to have play making ability while not being the primary, so yeah I think Ja is not the right comp for him. I don't think this is bashing, it's just trying to keep expectations in check.
fwiw I think we desperately need a stretch 4 who can guard 3-5 far more than we need any type of guard. But if we did draft a guard I'd also prefer someone who can swing 2-3 like Benn rather than a pure guard who *might* be a PG. I'll be happy if we draft Ivey because I think Monte can see through the hype and smoke, but I also know we have no shot at the playoffs without the above.
fwiw I think we desperately need a stretch 4 who can guard 3-5 far more than we need any type of guard. But if we did draft a guard I'd also prefer someone who can swing 2-3 like Benn rather than a pure guard who *might* be a PG. I'll be happy if we draft Ivey because I think Monte can see through the hype and smoke, but I also know we have no shot at the playoffs without the above.
It's a hypocritical argument anyway. Yeah, he's no Ja, but he could very well be the next Mitchell. And no, you probably don't pass up that kind of potential, the Kings did once on Donovan when many on this board we're saying to just take the kid and Mitchell hadn't nearly shown the upside Ivey had by draft time. This shows you how those types of innate abilities can translate to the modern game and the impact they can have when used properly. Ivey could certainly bust, but anyone can. Those athletic tools aren't disappearing though unless something injury wise happened. He's going to break down defenses and get to the line even if the PG skills never get to an elite level.
I think you are taking some of the comments in the wrong way. I’m saying that Murray is a legit option at 4 even with no trade. If Monte takes either one, then we are better. I’m just pointing out a lot of talk out there that Murray can be the better player. If it was that easy to pick out stars of the draft, it wouldn’t be that fun.
That's true, but it's pretty clear that Ivey is the guy at 4 according to most teams since Woj has spoken. I think the talk of backend teams trying to trade up for Murray is a load of garbage to now drop that asking price. If a team wants to trade for Murray they'll wait for him to be selected then make their move then not before.
One thing is for sure, if Monte doesn’t get some 6’8” wings in here, we won’t win enough….I mean good wings. If we don’t take Ivey, the guard rotation of Mitchell and DDV and Davis can all play D. Fox will have to do it consistently. I think Brown can work with that stable. Murray and Barnes and then hopefully 1 more addition (J Grant?) at least gives Brown a chance.
If I was picking 4, I pick Ivey.
I like Murray + asset, or Daniel's plus asset(s). The Arizona guy is also intriguing.
Schohan reminded me of Dennis Rodman in the ncaa tournament. Instigating and flopping, grabbing boards. Seems redundant with Sabonas
If we ended up with Bey, Murray, and still have HB - seems redundant as well.
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I like Murray + asset, or Daniel's plus asset(s). The Arizona guy is also intriguing.
Schohan reminded me of Dennis Rodman in the ncaa tournament. Instigating and flopping, grabbing boards. Seems redundant with Sabonas
If we ended up with Bey, Murray, and still have HB - seems redundant as well.
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This is another good point. Ivey has that upside and is a year and half younger than Murray. If Murray doesn't come in right away and produce teams are going to start wondering. Just like they did with Davion. Ivey has some wiggle room there. If Murray is filling the role of Trey Lyles or Metu on this team then putting together a blockbuster package at the deadline highlighted by Davion/Murray/picks won't match one with Ivey in that spot.
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