The Tankathon Thread (since that's apparently what this is now)

I'm not so sure Indy's in all that great a shape right now TBH.

Warren's a free agent and Jalen Smith is playing well enough that the Pacers probably aren't going to be able to match whatever contract a team offers him this summer under the CBA extension rules (in Sacramento, this is called the Harry Giles rule). The Pacers have been really bad on defense since the trade (they're also missing Turner which is part of it)

It's also yet to be seen if Brogdan and Haliburton can play together longterm and if Rick "People say I'm a good coach because I won a ship a decade ago" Carlisle's mad grab for power (he's reportedly taken control of personnel) is going to work. Sure they have two picks to work with and have Tyrese but their pick is likely going to end up in the Jaden Ivey/Johnny Davis zone (yay! Guard crunch!) and that Cavs pick is probably going to be in the 20s in a fairly week draft. I guess they could move Brogdan for more draft assets but the Pacers also have indicated that they'd like to build around Haliburton and Brogdan.

Next year, they could be going into the season with
Haliburton/McConnell
Brogdan/Buddy/Duarte
(#5 pick - Davis/Keegan/Griffin?)/Brissett
???
Turner/Jackson/Bitadze

It's a nice collection of players, sure, but entirely reliant on Tyrese taking another leap and the theory that playing next to Sabonis was holding Myles Turner back this whole time. The Pacers do have a bit of cap room to play with this summer but they'd probably be better served using that to take on bad contracts for draft assets. Otherwise, they're probably right back where they started.

Also Goga is flaming trash.
My comment was about this season and how it relates to us finishing with a higher or lower pick.
 
for sure I was just curious what you liked about him over Chet.
I like his defense. I think he'd step right in and be a great wing defender. I'm curious to see what his offense looks like in the NBA. Could be a top shelf scorer or a chucker. He has a knack for making really difficult shots but those same shots would be even more difficult against NBA defenders so it's anyone's guess.

I think Chet has more bust potential.
 

hrdboild

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yeah but since Monte is elite at drafting in those slots we are good to go :cool:
I actually think the teams picking 4-8 this year are probably going to end up the happiest. You have to take Ivey, Holmgren, Banchero, and Smith at the top of the draft this year and all of them should be solid NBA players, maybe even stars but the real lottery tickets are in that Keegan Murray, Bennedict Mathurin, AJ Griffin, Johnny Davis, Tari Eason and (hopefully) Shaedon Sharpe player pool I think. Elite wing scorers who can defend multiple positions are a good fit on any team and I expect one of them to slide into a perfect situation and go supernova, hopefully on the Kings!
 
I like his defense. I think he'd step right in and be a great wing defender. I'm curious to see what his offense looks like in the NBA. Could be a top shelf scorer or a chucker. He has a knack for making really difficult shots but those same shots would be even more difficult against NBA defenders so it's anyone's guess.

I think Chet has more bust potential.
More bust but higher ceiling then Smith?
 
More bust but higher ceiling then Smith?
That's probably a good take. Not like any of us really know but yeah Chet could be like a better Porzingis.

I personally just really like Jabari and he fits our needs perfectly. Looks like he can handle a big percentage of the offensive load and defend as well. It's exactly what the Kings need. Plus he's a great shooter so he doesn't have to operate in the lane with Fox and Sabonis.
 
Fantasyland scenario that will never come true: could we put together a big 3 of Fox Dame and Sabonis? Dame makes $42mm next year and has another 3 years ~$130mm total. Blazers have a terrible owner who might try to cut costs. We have a bunch of contracts (including HB) that end next year, meaning we could save Jody Allen nearly $100mm in salary. Does the #1 overall pick get it done?
 

Tetsujin

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Is there anything extra special about this upcoming draft? I don’t get the point of tanking
In all honesty, unless you’re particularly enamored with Chet’s potential or convinced Jabari is going to continue down an astronomical growth curve, this isn’t really a top four worth full on tanking for. The gap between the top players in this draft class and the rest of the players in the top ten isn’t as big as they were in the last draft and the top guys in this class would all probably get drafted after the top guys last year.
 

Tetsujin

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I realize the whole point of tanking is to lose games but the Blazers are currently losing to the T-Wolves by 36 points in the middle of the 4th quarter. Sure they're sitting Dame, Nurk, AND Simons but losing this bad probably is going to hurt more than help.
 

Tetsujin

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Blazers get blown out by the Wolves by 43.

Spurs beat the Lakers (who were resting Lebron).

Against all common sense, the Kings are still inexplicably very much alive in the play-in race.
 
Portland has 3 games against San Antonio, 2 against Houston, 2 against OKC and one against Detroit, Indiana, Washington and New York. 11 total games against bad teams. They have a really good chance at coming away with 6-7 victories against those teams alone.
Im crossing my fingers to stay put at 6 cause it’s my lucky number
 

Tetsujin

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Im crossing my fingers to stay put at 6 cause it’s my lucky number
Six really isn't a bad spot to end up in this draft either. Keegan, Benedict, Griffin are all there for the taking or Johnny Davis has fallen to us. Ivey being on the board at six would be unfortunate in that he'd probably be the clear best player available at that point and we know how Monte is about those situations.

The thing there is that some team out there could con themselves into thinking that Ivey is the next Ja and give up a bunch of assets to move up and take him.
 
Six really isn't a bad spot to end up in this draft either. Keegan, Benedict, Griffin are all there for the taking or Johnny Davis has fallen to us. Ivey being on the board at six would be unfortunate in that he'd probably be the clear best player available at that point and we know how Monte is about those situations.

The thing there is that some team out there could con themselves into thinking that Ivey is the next Ja and give up a bunch of assets to move up and take him.
Why can't Ivey play the 2? He's 6'4 with a huge wingspan and of course the unlimited athleticism. Should have absolutely no problem checking any guard in the league. I'd say the guy I'd take at 3 being available at 6 would be a huge blessing.

But yeah, the tier break is at 8. The top 4 and all the 4 guys you mentioned would be outstanding picks. Or if Sharpe changes his mind, that would be 9 guys. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Duren or TyTy in the top 8 either, which would give you a little more choice if we picked 7 or 8.
 

Tetsujin

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Why can't Ivey play the 2? He's 6'4 with a huge wingspan and of course the unlimited athleticism. Should have absolutely no problem checking any guard in the league. I'd say the guy I'd take at 3 being available at 6 would be a huge blessing.

But yeah, the tier break is at 8. The top 4 and all the 4 guys you mentioned would be outstanding picks. Or if Sharpe changes his mind, that would be 9 guys. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Duren or TyTy in the top 8 either, which would give you a little more choice if we picked 7 or 8.
I don't think there'd be an issue defensively but offensively, running a Fox-Ivey backcourt might cause as many issues as the Fox-Tyrese one did, even though Ivey's become a good enough shooter from three that he could possibly play well enough off of Fox and Sabonis.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Is there anything extra special about this upcoming draft? I don’t get the point of tanking
I think if we don't get the #1 or #2, #6 is as good as #3 for our needs. But I think securing the best pick is ideal, I wouldn't really want to be below #8 and watch our two favorite picks in our spot get picked just ahead of us like arguably happened this past year.
 
I think if we don't get the #1 or #2, #6 is as good as #3 for our needs. But I think securing the best pick is ideal, I wouldn't really want to be below #8 and watch our two favorite picks in our spot get picked just ahead of us like arguably happened this past year.
I don't know who your top two players are, but I am going off of what I see on nbadraft.net. Jabari Smith will go number 1, regardless of team, I think. If Jaden Ivey goes number 2, then, as you eluded, it really doesn't matter who we grab out of the next group of players.

BUT, I will say this, though, and that is the simple fact that I won't complain AT ALL if we end up with Paolo Banchero. I think he's going to have himself a solid professional career, and I wouldn't mind seeing it (or at least most of it) in Sacramento, in Kings colors.
 

pdxKingsFan

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I don't know who your top two players are, but I am going off of what I see on nbadraft.net. Jabari Smith will go number 1, regardless of team, I think. If Jaden Ivey goes number 2, then, as you eluded, it really doesn't matter who we grab out of the next group of players.

BUT, I will say this, though, and that is the simple fact that I won't complain AT ALL if we end up with Paolo Banchero. I think he's going to have himself a solid professional career, and I wouldn't mind seeing it (or at least most of it) in Sacramento, in Kings colors.
Smith is far and away my #1 but he is often mocked at 2 behind Holmgren. I have a minor concern about Holmgren that will hopefully be cleared up after his medical in the combine.

I am not into Banchero.

My preference is to somehow win or get #2 and luck into Smith, failing that I hope we can trade for a 3/4 player with some size who can shoot the 3 and isn't allergic to defense and grab a similar profile player at the 2/3 spot in the draft. I'm partial to Benn but there are 2-3 guys that fit that profile just outside of the top 4.
 
I think if we don't get the #1 or #2, #6 is as good as #3 for our needs. But I think securing the best pick is ideal, I wouldn't really want to be below #8 and watch our two favorite picks in our spot get picked just ahead of us like arguably happened this past year.
So aim for #5 and assume we will drop to #8
 

pdxKingsFan

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So aim for #5 and assume we will drop to #8
With 4 teams in front with better odds it seems unlikely that if 1-4 all fell 5 wouldn't rise up. But I do think protecting the floor is every bit the goal that getting an extra % point or two is.