Trade Deadline Thread
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You do if it's a ticking time bomb. It's too late, he has to be moved, the situation is too negative. If Monte can scrap out a better deal good, but he had him dealt once then gave it a go and it didn't work, he has to cut his losses now. Considering his role he is the type of player that depending on how they play him from here on could go from a solid contract to an albatross in a hurry.
Because they might be the only option. Buddy's role has continued to decline in every month practically. Breaking up his contract before you potentially have to attach assets to him to get him out the door is something that has to be considered. And taking on a 21 year old with direct history to one of your "core" isn't so bad. I'm also sure a future 1st or something comes back as well. And I hate to tell you, Monte already dealt him to LA once. If a team uses Buddy better and he buys in, almost any trade is going to be a loss on the back end for the Kings. I'm saying before he becomes a Jason Thompson level impediment get out. The guard team experiment didn't work, it's over.
Nah. He's already an albatross of a contract, in terms of what he's providing. He can still be useful, and sucks that all LA can offer is crap. Doesn't mean we have to take it just to take it. THT doesn't make this team better, and is an overall dropoff on talent level.
Jeez, we've reached desperation, and there are still 3 days left. Let's panic on the 11th.
Jeez, we've reached desperation, and there are still 3 days left. Let's panic on the 11th.
Yeah, I'm not saying right now, and my comment was in response to a post saying that the team was "stuck with Buddy". They aren't. They supposedly have a deal waiting on the table. Monte better be in contact with them every day and I'm sure he is. And who is going to make the team better in a Buddy trade with no other pieces involved? Breaking up his contract alone can give them options sooner than later and possibly head off a speed bump down the road both in the locker room and on their cap sheet. He's checked out, you can see it. Paying someone 20 million dollars off the bench when they are unhappy isn't value. Not to mention TD who can potentially fill in some gaps. If Monte was telling the truth about Fox/Haliburton then everything he does has to make sense around that. Do you think Buddy's value is going to go up with his current role? I don't. And even if there is a chance there is a greater chance that his role is reduced further when TD comes back and they find more minutes for Davion. In the end believe me, I know this sucks. Buddy is another player that was never used quite right. To the extent that at one point he pleaded to be used in catch and shoot more through the media as he was playing backup PG, lol. Kangz is Kangz and if Monte is truly trying to clean it up it is what it is.
With Simmons basically off the table and the asking price too steep for the borderline all star+ types I find myself onboard with cleaning up the role positions with better fitting pieces. Trade Barnes for Horford and a pick, trade Holmes for PJ, find a new home for Buddy that benefits the player and the team and run with Fox, Hali and Mitchell.
Fox
Hali
Mitchell
PJ
Horford
I don't care if the three guard lineup doesn't work, just try it anyway. Lets see if we can get a really good look at all three players and make a determination on them in the offseason. A top 10 pick added to the mix will be nice.
If we see signs of life, great! That means we have something there. If not, you lose a bunch of games and put yourself in a better draft position.
Fox
Hali
Mitchell
PJ
Horford
I don't care if the three guard lineup doesn't work, just try it anyway. Lets see if we can get a really good look at all three players and make a determination on them in the offseason. A top 10 pick added to the mix will be nice.
If we see signs of life, great! That means we have something there. If not, you lose a bunch of games and put yourself in a better draft position.
Given what they recieved for lavert, the kings should approach the pacers about sending a 2022 or 2023 FRP Buddy, TT (9.7M expiring) for Turner, McConnell (who is still owed 7.5m/yr for next 3 years) and Bitzade. We take on some salary for them in McConnell and Bitzade, they get another pick and a further in cap space. That allows Lamb (10.5M), Rubio (17M), TJ Warren (12.7M) and Thompson (9.7M), coming off their books. They will have set up for big free agency and epic tank with a 2022 from cleveland and a 2022 or 2023 from us.
For us, it breaks Buddy's contract in to more movable pieces and gets us a strong defender/rim protector in Turner who fits with both Fox and Hali. It also allows you to have another positive defender on the perimeter in McConnell when he come back.
Then Try to move Holmes for PJ Washington, Thor, Bouknight and FRP (though in this market you may need to settle for 2 seconds).
Then Barnes for Royce O'Neale and Joe Ingles and FRP. Ingles is lost for this year and most of next with his ACL. He is also 34 years old meaning he likely will not be the same player that he was. However, he is a 13M expiring contract and we could sign him for substantially less (he is a good play maker) or let him walk back to Utah in the off season, but we pick up the FRP and O'neale who is an excellent defender and solid shooter and break up the barnes contract (although i really do like the black falcon). Probably would end up waving Thor
You still have Bagley, you can move or let his 11M come off the books along with Ingles 13M. In the off season, throw 8-12M for 2-3yrs at Bobby Portis for the starting PF spot.
2022/23 Kings
Fox/Mitchell/McConnell
Hali/TD/McConnell/Bouknight
O'neale/Harkless/Woodard
Portis/PJ Washington/Metu/King
Turner/Jones/Len/Bitzade
That gives you positive defenders throughout your front court in Turner/Portis/O'neale, all three are suffient to good outside shooters to spread the floor for Fox and Portis and Turner are superior athletes for the PnR or Pick and Pop game. You still have Mitchell/McConnell/Harkless coming of the bench for solid perimeter defense when needed. It is a solid shooting and solid defending team with depth. Has reasonable scoring off the bench with Mitchell and TD and occasionally Metu and McConnell.
For us, it breaks Buddy's contract in to more movable pieces and gets us a strong defender/rim protector in Turner who fits with both Fox and Hali. It also allows you to have another positive defender on the perimeter in McConnell when he come back.
Then Try to move Holmes for PJ Washington, Thor, Bouknight and FRP (though in this market you may need to settle for 2 seconds).
Then Barnes for Royce O'Neale and Joe Ingles and FRP. Ingles is lost for this year and most of next with his ACL. He is also 34 years old meaning he likely will not be the same player that he was. However, he is a 13M expiring contract and we could sign him for substantially less (he is a good play maker) or let him walk back to Utah in the off season, but we pick up the FRP and O'neale who is an excellent defender and solid shooter and break up the barnes contract (although i really do like the black falcon). Probably would end up waving Thor
You still have Bagley, you can move or let his 11M come off the books along with Ingles 13M. In the off season, throw 8-12M for 2-3yrs at Bobby Portis for the starting PF spot.
2022/23 Kings
Fox/Mitchell/McConnell
Hali/TD/McConnell/Bouknight
O'neale/Harkless/Woodard
Portis/PJ Washington/Metu/King
Turner/Jones/Len/Bitzade
That gives you positive defenders throughout your front court in Turner/Portis/O'neale, all three are suffient to good outside shooters to spread the floor for Fox and Portis and Turner are superior athletes for the PnR or Pick and Pop game. You still have Mitchell/McConnell/Harkless coming of the bench for solid perimeter defense when needed. It is a solid shooting and solid defending team with depth. Has reasonable scoring off the bench with Mitchell and TD and occasionally Metu and McConnell.
BOS Gets: Buddy Hield
BOS Gives: Al Horford & Aaron Nesmith
Why for BOS? Get out of the luxury tax this season, free up time for R. Williams as the full time C (no more Williams-Horford combo), and add much needed floor spacing around Smart-Brown-Tatum-Williams.
CHA Gets: Richaun Holmes
CHA Gives: Ish Smith & PJ Washington
Why for CHA? They can backfill Washington's minutes with Hayward, Bridges, & Oubre. Holmes is a big upgrade at C for them
IND Gets: Tristan Thompson, Davion Mitchell, & Aaron Nesmith
IND Gives: Myles Turner
Why for IND? Move Turner for a top 10 pick from last year who fits well with Sabonis long term to help cover his defensive weaknesses. Nesmith gives them another recent 1st rounder to develop. Clears a lot of future cap space too
NYK Gets: Al Horford & Marvin Bagley
NYK Gives: Julius Randle & Evan Fournier
Why for NYK? Randle & Fournier are due $173 mil from 2022-23 season to the 2025-2026 season. This trade clears their cap sheet and allows them to sign two max free agents in the 2023 offseason while still having the following assets under contract: Barrett ($16 mil cap hold), Reddish ($11 mil cap hold), Toppin, Quickley, Grimes, McBride, 2022 NYK 1st, 2022 CHA 1st, 2023 NYK 1st, and 2023 DAL 1st. In the meantime, Horford would be a solid mentor for their young guys.
SAC Gets: Julius Randle, Myles Turner, Evan Fournier, Ish Smith, & PJ Washington
SAC Gives: Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley, Richaun Holmes, Tristan Thompson, & Davion Mitchell
Why for SAC? Do this in an attempt to improve the team now while not sacrificing Fox, Haliburton, Barnes, or any future 1st round picks. Turner hopefully gives them a boost to the defense (but having Fox-Haliburton-Barnes-Randle next to him may make it difficult) while Randle is a buy-low candidate who was an all star just last year. Washington & Fournier give them some solid bench pieces as well.
PG - Fox / Smith
SG - Haliburton / Davis / Ramsey
SF - Barnes / Fournier / Harkless
PF - Randle / Washington / Metu / Woodard
C - Turner / Jones / Len
BOS Gives: Al Horford & Aaron Nesmith
Why for BOS? Get out of the luxury tax this season, free up time for R. Williams as the full time C (no more Williams-Horford combo), and add much needed floor spacing around Smart-Brown-Tatum-Williams.
CHA Gets: Richaun Holmes
CHA Gives: Ish Smith & PJ Washington
Why for CHA? They can backfill Washington's minutes with Hayward, Bridges, & Oubre. Holmes is a big upgrade at C for them
IND Gets: Tristan Thompson, Davion Mitchell, & Aaron Nesmith
IND Gives: Myles Turner
Why for IND? Move Turner for a top 10 pick from last year who fits well with Sabonis long term to help cover his defensive weaknesses. Nesmith gives them another recent 1st rounder to develop. Clears a lot of future cap space too
NYK Gets: Al Horford & Marvin Bagley
NYK Gives: Julius Randle & Evan Fournier
Why for NYK? Randle & Fournier are due $173 mil from 2022-23 season to the 2025-2026 season. This trade clears their cap sheet and allows them to sign two max free agents in the 2023 offseason while still having the following assets under contract: Barrett ($16 mil cap hold), Reddish ($11 mil cap hold), Toppin, Quickley, Grimes, McBride, 2022 NYK 1st, 2022 CHA 1st, 2023 NYK 1st, and 2023 DAL 1st. In the meantime, Horford would be a solid mentor for their young guys.
SAC Gets: Julius Randle, Myles Turner, Evan Fournier, Ish Smith, & PJ Washington
SAC Gives: Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley, Richaun Holmes, Tristan Thompson, & Davion Mitchell
Why for SAC? Do this in an attempt to improve the team now while not sacrificing Fox, Haliburton, Barnes, or any future 1st round picks. Turner hopefully gives them a boost to the defense (but having Fox-Haliburton-Barnes-Randle next to him may make it difficult) while Randle is a buy-low candidate who was an all star just last year. Washington & Fournier give them some solid bench pieces as well.
PG - Fox / Smith
SG - Haliburton / Davis / Ramsey
SF - Barnes / Fournier / Harkless
PF - Randle / Washington / Metu / Woodard
C - Turner / Jones / Len
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