Trade Deadline Thread
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Well this makes me feel a bit better about Randle. I’m not sure if it’s that he was a Laker, or I have the idea he might have attitude about being a King, or his age is a little out of line with Hali…. that makes me not keen.
If that other cookie is Grimes that’s intriguing. Someone earlier post that the Knicks fans compare him to Jimmy Butler and I looked back at Baja’s write up on him which was impressive. He’s another guard but tough.
If that other cookie is Grimes that’s intriguing. Someone earlier post that the Knicks fans compare him to Jimmy Butler and I looked back at Baja’s write up on him which was impressive. He’s another guard but tough.
Honestly, it would be the most picture perfect end to the Ben Simmons drama. It was thought that Daryl Morey waited too long to move on from Simmons and had missed out on the opportunity to trade him to the Rockets for James Harden, who was generally considered to be the superior asset prior to this season.
Now the Nets are dragging a completely unmotivated version of Harden around, and Ben Simmons could very well be considered the superior asset in spite of all his baggage. What a weird saga this has been.
Now the Nets are dragging a completely unmotivated version of Harden around, and Ben Simmons could very well be considered the superior asset in spite of all his baggage. What a weird saga this has been.
Current James Harden is a trash offer though. There’s a chance he gets motivated and turns good again on the Sixers but it’s not like the Nets were out of the hunt or anything before KD went down. The guy’s already 32 so there is a good chance his best days are behind him unless he suddenly learns how to give a damn about his conditioning.
I’m guessing the Nets would be asking for more than just Simmons in a deal too.
I’m guessing the Nets would be asking for more than just Simmons in a deal too.
I'm in general agreement. James Harden pays a lot of lip service to wanting to win titles, but I think he struggles with any demotion in touches that comes from playing on a high voltage roster. He loses motivation when he's not a team's absolute center of gravity. He clashes with his fellow stars when he's forced to share oxygen in the offense. And playing with Joel Embiid (as personality-imprinting an MVP candidate as there is in the NBA) wouldn't be likely to change any of that, either.
Im just going to say that if Fox get traded for Randle or any knick player, cuz none of them will help thid team (except barret which wont happen), and not include 3 FRP, then i think it would have been better to have let balmer buy the team and move to seattle. Its would be nothing more than spitting on the fans. Id rather role the ball out to watch fox and be crap than watch the randle iso show and be crap. I cannot think of a senario without multiple frp (no protections on 1st 2 years) where it would be remotely worth it for the kings. Now if they add randle to fox/hali, im down for trading anyone else.
I would like to see what a realistic offer/price for turner would be and what the pacers are asking for him. With respect to NO. Id consider Barnes to NO IF you get Jonas back. Then try to flip Buddy/Bagley/TT/Holmes/picks combos for either John Collins (ideal) or PJ washington.
Whatever we do, any deal for fox needs to be overwhelmingly in the kings favor. The rest of the world salivates at the chance and try to drive down his price. I spent the entire afternoon listening to ESPN radio where fans of the knicks cutting tbeir fingers off to get fox. That should make Randle capabilities to help this team clear.
There are many problems on the kings, fox is jot really one of them.
I would like to see what a realistic offer/price for turner would be and what the pacers are asking for him. With respect to NO. Id consider Barnes to NO IF you get Jonas back. Then try to flip Buddy/Bagley/TT/Holmes/picks combos for either John Collins (ideal) or PJ washington.
Whatever we do, any deal for fox needs to be overwhelmingly in the kings favor. The rest of the world salivates at the chance and try to drive down his price. I spent the entire afternoon listening to ESPN radio where fans of the knicks cutting tbeir fingers off to get fox. That should make Randle capabilities to help this team clear.
There are many problems on the kings, fox is jot really one of them.
There's a good chance Blazers blow it up by the deadline. They could get a haul of youth and picks for Dame and CJ and completely bottom out. They're currently #10 in lotto standings - 21 wins, while OKC is at #4 with 16 and there are 4 teams including us with 19 for the 5-9 spots. Meaning they could very easily end up with great lotto odds, and almost instantly lap us on a rebuild. Which could theoretically result in their third playoff level core in the time since we last made the playoffs.
THIS. I like hali so dont get this wrong, but people think Fox is not a winner when the team has loaded him with a barnes, some deep bench players on most teams and expect them to win. Finally, we get him some help with Hali and before they can develop, we are ready for a trade. Look at the Suns, they drafted over and over witg zero success but stuck with the diamond they found in Booker. They made one financially risky trade but consequential trade for paul and it transformed Booker into a legit MVP candidate. The team sucked for years with booker, but he was not the problem. They smartly held on to him as long as possible and when they put some prospects (for us it would be Hali and Mitchell) around him and still went nowhere. They made a singular trade and the whole thing clicked. Move on from scrub pieces, be willing to take some risky bets on historically good players and it could work.
Yeah, the anti-Fox crowd is crazy for blaming him for the Kings woes.
Dude is an elite scorer, and sure his shooting and playmaking leaves a lot to be desired from a PG, but in todays day and age, you can get players 1-5 with that in their skill set to balance out a roster.
Where else are we going to get an elite scorer?
I'm down to trade Fox from a "roster balance" perspective, since it's looking more and more like McNair killed it in the draft 2 years in a row, but simultaneously shot himself in the foot as far as roster construction....
But the "we can't win with Fox" logic is dumb.
We can't win with the awful coaching he's had for the majority of his career, the terrible supporting cast (Buddy is garbo, everyone else would be a bench player on a playoff team), and an owner that never learns from his mistakes, but keeps making them.
A competent GM could absolutely win with Fox. I think this has been brought up, but swap him and Mitchell on the Jazz and both team records probably stay the same.
Dude is an elite scorer, and sure his shooting and playmaking leaves a lot to be desired from a PG, but in todays day and age, you can get players 1-5 with that in their skill set to balance out a roster.
Where else are we going to get an elite scorer?
I'm down to trade Fox from a "roster balance" perspective, since it's looking more and more like McNair killed it in the draft 2 years in a row, but simultaneously shot himself in the foot as far as roster construction....
But the "we can't win with Fox" logic is dumb.
We can't win with the awful coaching he's had for the majority of his career, the terrible supporting cast (Buddy is garbo, everyone else would be a bench player on a playoff team), and an owner that never learns from his mistakes, but keeps making them.
A competent GM could absolutely win with Fox. I think this has been brought up, but swap him and Mitchell on the Jazz and both team records probably stay the same.