VLADE GONE
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First thing is first to me. Pick the right coach for these players and the style they should play (up tempo, 5 out, pick and roll, drive and dish). If they simply look at the 5 man stats, they'll start getting picture of how this can work. Vivek better not be talked into a fire sale so a new GM can create some 5 year plan job safety net. That's why I'm firmly in the no Hinkie camp if he's going to pull a fast one like he did on the Sixers. Kings fans won't endure some horse crap all in process 10 year plan crap. It's not necessary at this point. I say, take Fox, Buddy, and Bagley first off and put them in the meetings. Question 1: How do you plan on making De'Aaron Fox a superstar? 2. How do you plan on using what is one one of the best catch and shoot players in a catch and shoot league, the current 3 point champ, and also soaking up 82 million dollars of my money an All-star? 3. How do flush that stigma of passing on Luka once and for all by making Bagley worth every ping pong ball used up?
I think the way to go is getting someone fresh from one of the successful organizations like Webster from Toront, look at SA and see if there is anyone else like Sean Marks, etc
Then hire someone from those organizations to be the head coach.
Dumars is not inspiring nor is he relevant anymore. Had some success damn near 20 years ago. We can do better.
Do a true search for A head coach like when Vivek hired Mike Malone. We need that to happen again.
Then hire someone from those organizations to be the head coach.
Dumars is not inspiring nor is he relevant anymore. Had some success damn near 20 years ago. We can do better.
Do a true search for A head coach like when Vivek hired Mike Malone. We need that to happen again.
Drafting is never a perfect science (as we well know with Vlade) but Hinkie better than anyone else in NBA history gave himself as many shots on goal to hit on a star like Simmons and Embiid. And he didn't readjust his plan before he landed on that franchise talent. He also MINED the 2nd round constantly and made it a priority.
-Drafted MCW at 11
-Drafted Embiid 3rd overall
-Turned Jrue Holiday into 2 1st round picks instead of keeping him to keep the team semi-decent.
-Payton then traded for Saric and another 1st round pick (Became Shamet)
- Traded Thad Young for a 2016 1st round pick
-Drafted Jerami Grant 39th overall
-Robert Covington-Undrafted
-Turned MCW into a 1st round pick
-Drafted Ja Okafor at 3
-Drafted Richaun Holmes at 37
-The infamous Kings trade, got 2 picks swaps and a 1st round pick swap for cap sapce
- Put the Sixers team in place to take the easy #1 overall pick in Ben Simmons before getting fired.
So... yeah. In 3 years he found 3 absolute gems in the 2nd round, drafted Embiid, put the Sixers in place to take Simmons. So is he really all that bad at drafting? Turned MCW into a future 1st instead of paying him big money and Saric for a late lottery pick has been a good NBA player. He missed on Noel and he missed on Okafor, but this record looks very much like any good GM's in terms of hit rate. And just add his absolute mastery in asset accumulation, he's the reason the Sixers are in the position they are today. What's important here is how many opportunities the Sixers had to find franchise talent and give them the best opportunity to hit.
That's been a prevailing problem in Sacramento is we think we're further along in the rebuild than we actually are and try to speed up the timeline. There has been so many deals over the years that Sacramento passed on where they could use their cap space as asset leverage and decided to sign some middling veteran FA instead.
-Drafted MCW at 11
-Drafted Embiid 3rd overall
-Turned Jrue Holiday into 2 1st round picks instead of keeping him to keep the team semi-decent.
-Payton then traded for Saric and another 1st round pick (Became Shamet)
- Traded Thad Young for a 2016 1st round pick
-Drafted Jerami Grant 39th overall
-Robert Covington-Undrafted
-Turned MCW into a 1st round pick
-Drafted Ja Okafor at 3
-Drafted Richaun Holmes at 37
-The infamous Kings trade, got 2 picks swaps and a 1st round pick swap for cap sapce
- Put the Sixers team in place to take the easy #1 overall pick in Ben Simmons before getting fired.
So... yeah. In 3 years he found 3 absolute gems in the 2nd round, drafted Embiid, put the Sixers in place to take Simmons. So is he really all that bad at drafting? Turned MCW into a future 1st instead of paying him big money and Saric for a late lottery pick has been a good NBA player. He missed on Noel and he missed on Okafor, but this record looks very much like any good GM's in terms of hit rate. And just add his absolute mastery in asset accumulation, he's the reason the Sixers are in the position they are today. What's important here is how many opportunities the Sixers had to find franchise talent and give them the best opportunity to hit.
That's been a prevailing problem in Sacramento is we think we're further along in the rebuild than we actually are and try to speed up the timeline. There has been so many deals over the years that Sacramento passed on where they could use their cap space as asset leverage and decided to sign some middling veteran FA instead.
Hinkie would be interesting. Webster or Morey I could get excited about.
As others have mentioned, Dumars hasn't been relevant in 20 years. I don't want to risk having another dinosaur in charge after we just got rid of Vlade. The Bagley pick had "is this still 2002" all over it. Do better Vivek.
And I'm down with Luke sticking it out as tank commander. Fox + a high pick in 2021 (assuming the new GM doesn't Vlade it up) is a pretty good start to the rebuild. Especially if Bagley can stay healthy (highly doubt it at this point, but it's a maybe). The only issue would be Luke not teaching our young guys anything.
As others have mentioned, Dumars hasn't been relevant in 20 years. I don't want to risk having another dinosaur in charge after we just got rid of Vlade. The Bagley pick had "is this still 2002" all over it. Do better Vivek.
And I'm down with Luke sticking it out as tank commander. Fox + a high pick in 2021 (assuming the new GM doesn't Vlade it up) is a pretty good start to the rebuild. Especially if Bagley can stay healthy (highly doubt it at this point, but it's a maybe). The only issue would be Luke not teaching our young guys anything.
Loved Vlade in a Kings uniform. Always wanted him to succeed at rebuilding the Kings. He tried but it did not work out. I appreciate that he stepped down.
Here's to hoping a great young GM can be hired to turn things around. When he/she is hired the new coach should be their choice as well.
Lets hope the scouting department is being handled well also.
Here's to hoping a great young GM can be hired to turn things around. When he/she is hired the new coach should be their choice as well.
Lets hope the scouting department is being handled well also.
I'd be suuuper interested in selling everyone off, promising Harry a starting role at 25+ MPG and moving on from there. I still don't think it's in his best interest to sign any sort of a long-term deal this off-season and should wait for things to hopefully pick up next year.
New GM, Fox, Bagley, Giles and 12th pick, 2 high 2nds, Jeffries. I'd be interested in watching that develop
New GM, Fox, Bagley, Giles and 12th pick, 2 high 2nds, Jeffries. I'd be interested in watching that develop
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On the Harry Giles front... His defensive awareness is notoriously bad. He can scrap a bit but isn’t great in one-on-one settings either. Is he a guy who’s weakness could be covered by a complimentary player? Like a JaVale McGee type? Someone bouncy and athletic. Instead he always seemed next to someone slow, groundbound and also unable to protect the rim, which magnified his weakness on that end. Funny enough we might have that guy, a hopefully healthy fast double jumping madman like Bagley maybe?
I do think he has potential to get better on that end but there’s obviously a long way to go, and helping cover his weaknesses with complimentary players would be a step in the right direction.
I do think he has potential to get better on that end but there’s obviously a long way to go, and helping cover his weaknesses with complimentary players would be a step in the right direction.
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The thing is that if there ever was a year to have a Hinkie-style firesale to collect draft assets for, it would be the 2021/2022 draft classes. Even if the NBA doesn’t allow high schoolers to enter the draft as has been rumored for years, there’s talk about Emoni Bates reclassifying and going to Michigan State after his junior year, which would make him eligible for 2022 either way (which is also shaping up to be a solid draft class either way) Also a lot of the lower lottery, end of the first rounder guys in this year’s draft have all put off declaring for the draft this season which means a good talent evaluator could make out like a bandit in a single draft.
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