SF Trades

[pdxKingsFan]

The only concern I have is that next year teams will have money to spend. You saw someone like Kosta pick up his option because there simply were no teams with real space. I guess it depends on what friendly deals means but there should be competition for both this summer.

Only if teams failed to learn from 2016 and 2017. Granted few teams were in position to go crazy this summer and there was only one LeBron but it feels like the natural order of things is restoring. The average deal will be more, but nobody is going to give a 12 million per player 20 this year, unless they wildly misjudge the talent. But we will see a 12 million guy now as someone you'd scream bloody murder about making 8 three seasons ago.

Willie is the real danger because a team could bid him high just to see if we blink.

 

[SacTownKid]

Only if teams failed to learn from 2016 and 2017. Granted few teams were in position to go crazy this summer and there was only one LeBron but it feels like the natural order of things is restoring. The average deal will be more, but nobody is going to give a 12 million per player 20 this year, unless they wildly misjudge the talent. But we will see a 12 million guy now as someone you'd scream bloody murder about making 8 three seasons ago.

Willie is the real danger because a team could bid him high just to see if we blink.

Willie has to have at least one team with max room drooling and as they say, all it takes is one.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Willie has to have at least one team with max room drooling and as they say, all it takes is one.

Yeah, it's why I'd include him in a deal for Porter - but it would have to probably involve us taking on Mahinmi and getting a pick back.

On the other hand, his public attitude right now is a positive and it seems like he has good chemistry with the core. I know he wants to test the market though. Which kind of lends itself to him not being back.

 

[dude12]

Frank Mason doesn’t play tonight nor does Otto Porter.
Mason, Labissierre, expirings, 2nd rounder for Porter.......add JJ instead?

 

[Nokidding]

Mason and 2nd rounder for Justin Anderson, I know he's like 6'5 but he's built like a fire hydrant and brings insane athletic ability and has a body to bang with any wing player in the L, what he lacks in IQ he does make up with effort and he is built to run.

If the Kings are worried about a 3rd point guard we can do a 2 for 1 trade and bring Ty Lawson (assuming he's not locked in anywhere) back who played well for the Wizards in last years playoffs.

 

[Section 101]

Espn has in their trades they would like to see shump zbo jj for wiggins. Replace kk for shump and I would do it.

 

[Joshoua]

Espn has in their trades they would like to see shump zbo jj for wiggins. Replace kk for shump and I would do it.

Hell no keep Wiggins away from here

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I saw that this morning. I don't even know what to make of it, but if the price of Wiggins was actually JJ, Shump and Zbo that says a lot about how Wiggins has fallen off/is perceived around the league.

And we can't give them both JJ and Shump.

That said, a big hell no to this deal. Wiggins isn't what we need at that spot.

 

[Sactown ExPat]

No to Wiggins. The only SF that I would target, and might be available for the right price, besides Otto is Harrison Barnes. Barnes would be awesome on this team. Of course, he’s doing pretty well for the Mavs so he’d only be available if they felt they could make a HUGE splash in 2019 free agency.

 

[Ozymandias]

Espn has in their trades they would like to see shump zbo jj for wiggins. Replace kk for shump and I would do it.

I would do it in a heartbeat. and then go light up victory cigars and go to the steakhouse..... This is clearly the ultimate landingspot destination for Wiggins in the entire league.... We need guys who can keep up with Fox and Wiggins is an ultimate cherry picker, he'd fit in PERFECTLY.. We have great ball movement to put on both sides of him...

sadly this will never happen. The entire game last night I was thinking "Wiggins would be perfect in Sacramento..."


The Kings would like to throw a young player a bag of $$$ before it's restricted matching time, I HOPE THATS WHAT THE LAVINE SIGNING SIGNALS, and it's not sit on your hands and wait for the tax years from now, for me Wiggins would fit in perfectly here. Fox needs thoroughbreds to run with.


He'd put up career efficiency #'s here too....


Wiggins-Bagley-Willie is an obscenely athletic frontline... Fox... thats feline quickness...

 

[twslam07]

I would do it in a heartbeat. and then got light up victory cigars and go to the steakhouse..... This is clearly the ultimate landingspot destination for Wiggins in the entire league.... We need guys who can keep up with Fox and Wiggins is an ultimate cherry picker, he'd fit in PERFECTLY.. We have great ball movement to put on both sides of him...

sadly this will never happen. The entire game last night I was thinking "Wiggins would be perfect in Sacramento..."


The Kings would like to throw a young player a bag of $$$ before it's restricted matching time, I HOPE THATS WHAT THE LAVINE SIGNING SIGNALS, and it's not sit on your hands and wait for the tax years from now, for me Wiggins would fit in perfectly here. Fox needs thoroughbreds to run with.


Wiggins would put up career efficiency #'s here too.... Wiggins-Bagley-Willie is an obscenely athletic frontline...

If you want to hamstring your franchise and limit its potential as a team, acquire Wiggins.

He. Does. Not. Contribute. To. Winning. Basketball.

We have such a good thing going and you want to drive it down hill quick because you’re wayyyyy overvaluing him due to the fact that Fox, Bagley, & Cauley-Stein are fast; therefore, Wiggins being fast must make him great in SAC. We’re better off getting Gerald Green for 5% of the cost with this logic.

There’s more to basketball than to just put fast players together on the court.

 

[Padrino]

I would do it in a heartbeat. and then got light up victory cigars and go to the steakhouse..... This is clearly the ultimate landingspot destination for Wiggins in the entire league.... We need guys who can keep up with Fox and Wiggins is an ultimate cherry picker, he'd fit in PERFECTLY.. We have great ball movement to put on both sides of him...

sadly this will never happen. The entire game last night I was thinking "Wiggins would be perfect in Sacramento..."


The Kings would like to throw a young player a bag of $$$ before it's restricted matching time, I HOPE THATS WHAT THE LAVINE SIGNING SIGNALS, and it's not sit on your hands and wait for the tax years from now, for me Wiggins would fit in perfectly here. Fox needs thoroughbreds to run with.


Wiggins would put up career efficiency #'s here too....


Wiggins-Bagley-Willie is an obscenely athletic frontline... Fox... thats feline quickness...

Yeah, but you don't pay max money for a cherry picker and noted underachiever. You pay max money for a difference maker, and, preferably, one who has a vested interest in competing on both sides of the ball. Wiggins has never risen to the occasion (particularly on defense), and it's an expensive gamble to believe that he might once he arrives in Sacramento, especially since his deal runs until 2023. The Kings are in a position to swallow Otto Porter's contract, should they attempt to trade for him, because it's up in 2021, when the Kings will have to pay their own core free agents. But Wiggins' contract is prohibitive, a true albatross. It's not quite like John Wall's deal, but it's up there as far as nearly untradable contracts go.

 

[Ozymandias]

If you want to hamstring your franchise and limit its potential as a team, acquire Wiggins.

He. Does. Not. Contribute. To. Winning. Basketball.

We have such a good thing going and you want to drive it down hill quick because you’re wayyyyy overvaluing him due to the fact that Fox, Bagley, & Cauley-Stein are fast; therefore, Wiggins being fast must make him great in SAC. We’re better off getting Gerald Green for 5% of the cost with this logic.

There’s more to basketball than to just put fast players together on the court.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.



back here in reality that remains to be seen and time is on his side.

also the Timberwolves are the team who declines that trade, ya gotta be kidding me... Andrew Wiggins is the 4th leading scorer in their franchise history but yeah I'd pull the trigger on that trade because hes fast.


I'd pull the trigger on that trade because it's a complete ripoff in the Kings favor.

 

[Ozymandias]

Yeah, but you don't pay max money for a cherry picker and noted underachiever. You pay max money for a difference maker, and, preferably, one who has a vested interest in competing on both sides of the ball. Wiggins has never risen to the occasion (particularly on defense), and it's an expensive gamble to believe that he might once he arrives in Sacramento, especially since his deal runs until 2023. The Kings are in a position to swallow Otto Porter's contract, should they attempt to trade for him, because it's up in 2021, when the Kings will have to pay their own core free agents. But Wiggins' contract is prohibitive, a true albatross. It's not quite like John Wall's deal, but it's up there as far as nearly untradable contracts go.

LOL I don't see it that way. The kid has underachieved his way to the franchises 4th leading scorer, and he's gonna be 2nd by the end of the season passing Kevin Love and Sam Mitchell. thats not too shabby for a 23 year old...

I didn't realize the masters of finality presided over this board. Can I ask you about the fates of a long list of other 23 year olds and tonights lottery numbers? Also do you not believe in second chances or new environments? You seriously don't think the Kings environment is healthy enough to intake Wiggins? Would it be like a failed organ transplant?

 

[Padrino]

LOL I don't see it that way. The kid has underachieved his way to the franchises 4th leading scorer, and he's gonna be 2nd by the end of the season passing Kevin Love and Sam Mitchell. thats not too shabby for a 23 year old...

I didn't realize the masters of finality presided over this board. Can I ask you about the fates of a long list of other 23 year olds and tonights lottery numbers? Also do you not believe in second chances or new environments? You seriously don't think the Kings environment is healthy enough to intake Wiggins? Would it be like a failed organ transplant?

I'm not a master of finality, but I've also seen no evidence that Andrew Wiggins possesses the gut instinct necessary to live up to a max contract. He's long been a passive opportunist, and despite his lateral quickness, he's a notoriously poor defender. Even Tom Thibodeau hasn't been able to coax a modicum of consistency out of Wiggins on that end of the floor. In other words, he's not a franchise player, but he's paid like one. If his contract ran to 2020 or 2021, I'd say sure, let's take a flyer on Wiggins. But you're gambling with the entire future of the franchise if you trade for an underachieving max player who's contract runs until 2023.

Beyond that, since when did the Kings need more scoring punch? This team doesn't lack for offensive talent. The reason so many are enthusiastic about a player like Otto Porter is precisely because the healthy locker room environment in Sacramento could rehabilitate the game of a 3-and-D specialist who could help contain penetration on the wing, something the Kings continue to struggle with this season. Wiggins likely wouldn't solve that problem.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Wiggins can score but I feel like that is the last thing we need. We need a modern-day Doug Christie.

 

[twslam07]

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.



back here in reality that remains to be seen and time is on his side.

also the Timberwolves are the team who declines that trade, ya gotta be kidding me... Andrew Wiggins is the 4th leading scorer in their franchise history but yeah I'd pull the trigger on that trade because hes fast.


I'd pull the trigger on that trade because it's a complete ripoff in the Kings favor.

4th leading scorer you say?! What an impressive accomplishment considering he plays for such a historically great franchise. The fact that you're pointing to counting stats and totals over careers just goes to show you're grasping. Next you'll be saying we should pick up Carmelo due to his scoring ability and career numbers.

Besides, he may be the 4th leading scorer of their franchise but he sure did go about it in a very inefficient way...



...but don't let an efficiency argument get in the way of your "look at how many total points he has scored" argument.


Is he the worst player in the league? Of course not. Does he provide value anywhere close to his contract? Absolutely not. He's due to make ~$150 mil over the next 5 seasons yet he puts up impact stats like this:



If you're going to be investing that much money in a player, you better be darn sure he is going to help you win ball games. Wiggins has proven to a non-winning player at worst and a netural player at best.

But for arguments sake, let's say he is neutral. Why the hell would you want to pay someone like that $30 mil a year. You're limiting the potential of this team by being able to use that money on someone who is actually going to help contribute.

This is the list of players that make as much or more than Wiggins in the NBA:

• Stephen Curry
• Chris Paul
• Russell Westbrook
• LeBron James
• Blake Griffin
• Gordon Hayward
• Kyle Lowry
• Paul George
• Mike Conley
• James Harden
• Kevin Durant
• Paul Millsap
• Al Horford
• Damian Lillard
• DeMar DeRozan
• Chris Bosh
• Otto Porter
• Jrue Holiday
• CJ McCollum
• Carmelo Anthony
• Andrew Wiggins
• Joel Embiid

Carmelo is the only guy on that list that may be worse than Wiggins. Bosh is a special situation with the injury issue. What about the other players that make less than Wiggins but are still $20 mil or above?

• Bradley Beal
• Anthony Davis
• Andre Drummond
• Hassan Whiteside
• Nikola Jokic
• Steven Adams
• Giannis Antetokounmpo
• Kevin Love
• Marc Gasol
• Chandler Parsons
• Harrison Barnes
• Nicolas Batum
• Rudy Gobert
• Kawhi Leonard
• DeAndre Jordan
• LaMarcus Aldridge
• Serge Ibaka
• Aaron Gordon
• Danilo Gallinari
• Victor Oladipo
• Jimmy Butler
• Ryan Anderson
• Kyrie Irving
• Jabari Parker

I would say Parker, Batum, & Parsons are the only guys that may be right around where Wiggins is. That's it! The rest of these guys give you more on the floor in regards to winning.

Wiggins is the Wolves problem and we should be the last team bailing them out of that albatross of a contract.

 

[macadocious]

Hey, remember that time the owner of the Timberwolves said he was going to give Wiggins a max deal when he was bidding against himself and didn't have to give Wiggins a max deal, the only caveat to the deal was Wiggins had to promise him in person he was going to try.

Ya, I don't remember that either.

 

[jiimbob]

I haven't seen enough Wolves games to have an opinion on Wiggins. I know I'm happy as that Thibs saw the Wolves as a up and coming young team to mold in his vision and not us when he was considered a hot commodity unemployed coach. I cant help but think Thibs is part of Wiggins problem.

Otto is the guy I want to see on the Kings. As someone who always saw Shump as a more than a Hill dump piece, I only hope hes not part of a SF trade equation. So glad Shump is now receiving some love here.

 

[swisshh]

Was looking at the Eastern Conference. Somehow the Wiz are only a game and a half outside of the 8th spot.

Expect trade scenarios to drag on until a couple teams decide to give up on the playoffs. Right now, too many teams probably think they still have a chance.

 

[jiimbob]

Was looking at the Eastern Conference. Somehow the Wiz are only a game and a half outside of the 8th spot.

Expect trade scenarios to drag on until a couple teams decide to give up on the playoffs. Right now, too many teams probably think they still have a chance.

Yeah perhaps, and their 11 and 17, what to make of that eastern conference?

 

[kingsboi]

Yeah perhaps, and their 11 and 17, what to make of that eastern conference?

that teams seeded 1-4 will be an absolute must watch come Playoffs

 

[Ozymandias]

I'm not a master of finality, but I've also seen no evidence that Andrew Wiggins possesses the gut instinct necessary to live up to a max contract. He's long been a passive opportunist, and despite his lateral quickness, he's a notoriously poor defender. Even Tom Thibodeau hasn't been able to coax a modicum of consistency out of Wiggins on that end of the floor. In other words, he's not a franchise player, but he's paid like one. If his contract ran to 2020 or 2021, I'd say sure, let's take a flyer on Wiggins. But you're gambling with the entire future of the franchise if you trade for an underachieving max player who's contract runs until 2023.

Beyond that, since when did the Kings need more scoring punch? This team doesn't lack for offensive talent. The reason so many are enthusiastic about a player like Otto Porter is precisely because the healthy locker room environment in Sacramento could rehabilitate the game of a 3-and-D specialist who could help contain penetration on the wing, something the Kings continue to struggle with this season. Wiggins likely wouldn't solve that problem.

4th leading scorer you say?! What an impressive accomplishment considering he plays for such a historically great franchise. The fact that you're pointing to counting stats and totals over careers just goes to show you're grasping. Next you'll be saying we should pick up Carmelo due to his scoring ability and career numbers.

Besides, he may be the 4th leading scorer of their franchise but he sure did go about it in a very inefficient way...

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...but don't let an efficiency argument get in the way of your "look at how many total points he has scored" argument.


Is he the worst player in the league? Of course not. Does he provide value anywhere close to his contract? Absolutely not. He's due to make ~$150 mil over the next 5 seasons yet he puts up impact stats like this:

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If you're going to be investing that much money in a player, you better be darn sure he is going to help you win ball games. Wiggins has proven to a non-winning player at worst and a netural player at best.

But for arguments sake, let's say he is neutral. Why the hell would you want to pay someone like that $30 mil a year. You're limiting the potential of this team by being able to use that money on someone who is actually going to help contribute.

This is the list of players that make as much or more than Wiggins in the NBA:

• Stephen Curry
• Chris Paul
• Russell Westbrook
• LeBron James
• Blake Griffin
• Gordon Hayward
• Kyle Lowry
• Paul George
• Mike Conley
• James Harden
• Kevin Durant
• Paul Millsap
• Al Horford
• Damian Lillard
• DeMar DeRozan
• Chris Bosh
• Otto Porter
• Jrue Holiday
• CJ McCollum
• Carmelo Anthony
• Andrew Wiggins
• Joel Embiid

Carmelo is the only guy on that list that may be worse than Wiggins. Bosh is a special situation with the injury issue. What about the other players that make less than Wiggins but are still $20 mil or above?

• Bradley Beal
• Anthony Davis
• Andre Drummond
• Hassan Whiteside
• Nikola Jokic
• Steven Adams
• Giannis Antetokounmpo
• Kevin Love
• Marc Gasol
• Chandler Parsons
• Harrison Barnes
• Nicolas Batum
• Rudy Gobert
• Kawhi Leonard
• DeAndre Jordan
• LaMarcus Aldridge
• Serge Ibaka
• Aaron Gordon
• Danilo Gallinari
• Victor Oladipo
• Jimmy Butler
• Ryan Anderson
• Kyrie Irving
• Jabari Parker

I would say Parker, Batum, & Parsons are the only guys that may be right around where Wiggins is. That's it! The rest of these guys give you more on the floor in regards to winning.

Wiggins is the Wolves problem and we should be the last team bailing them out of that albatross of a contract.

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish

 

[twslam07]

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish

No need for the name calling. If you don’t have a legitimate rebuttal, no need to respond.

 

[ESP47]

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.



back here in reality that remains to be seen and time is on his side.

also the Timberwolves are the team who declines that trade, ya gotta be kidding me... Andrew Wiggins is the 4th leading scorer in their franchise history but yeah I'd pull the trigger on that trade because hes fast.


I'd pull the trigger on that trade because it's a complete ripoff in the Kings favor.

It's really not his opinion. It's what the stats say for every year Wiggins has been in the league.

He simply does not play winning basketball.

 

[Ozymandias]

No need for the name calling. If you don’t have a legitimate rebuttal, no need to respond.

The Kings tried to sign LaVine, you think they wanted him and wouldn't take Wiggins? Thats absurd. LOL The Wolves easily decline that trade, give me 2 decent reasons why the Timberwolves would ever do that trade. I dare ya.

Beacuse Shumpert on a 1 year unrestricted deal and Justin Jackson are winning players? Your argument is lopsided as **** therefore doesn't warrant a legitimate rebuttal.

We could sign Shumpert again in the summer he can't possibly be some deal-breaker.... but Wiggins is locked in for 4 more years... That espn proposed trade is highway robbery in the Kings favor.

This is the best landing spot for Wiggins in the entire league, tell me why any other team would be a better fit than Sacramento.

 

[twslam07]

The Kings tried to sign LaVine, you think they wanted him and wouldn't take Wiggins? Thats absurd. LOL The Wolves easily decline that trade, give me 2 decent reasons why the Timberwolves would ever do that trade. I dare ya.

Beacuse Shumpert on a 1 year unrestricted deal and Justin Jackson are winning players? Your argument is lopsided as **** therefore doesn't warrant a legitimate rebuttal.

We could sign Shumpert again in the summer he can't possibly be some deal-breaker.... but Wiggins is locked in for 4 more years... That espn proposed trade is highway robbery in the Kings favor.

This is the best landing spot for Wiggins in the entire league, tell me why any other team would be a better fit than Sacramento.

The fact that you think this is a good thing at $30 mil year is beyond baffling.

You look at a negative player with a 5 year $150 mil contract and you try to spin it as “at least he’s locked in!” Thats not a good thing. Not even close. Your evaluation is way off on this and the stats provided earlier only make it that much clearer.

You can try to move the goalposts and make the argument that the Wolves wouldn’t do it; therefore, it must be a great deal for the Kings. In the end, I couldn’t care less what the wolves would and wouldn’t do. The fact of the matter is that the Kings should never be actively seeking a guy like Wiggins. His contract is way too big and eliminates our chances of finding a much better player for the same amount of money. That’s what you seem to not understand.

 

[Sactown ExPat]

The Kings tried to sign LaVine, you think they wanted him and wouldn't take Wiggins? Thats absurd. LOL The Wolves easily decline that trade, give me 2 decent reasons why the Timberwolves would ever do that trade. I dare ya.

Beacuse Shumpert on a 1 year unrestricted deal and Justin Jackson are winning players? Your argument is lopsided as **** therefore doesn't warrant a legitimate rebuttal.

We could sign Shumpert again in the summer he can't possibly be some deal-breaker.... but Wiggins is locked in for 4 more years... That espn proposed trade is highway robbery in the Kings favor.

This is the best landing spot for Wiggins in the entire league, tell me why any other team would be a better fit than Sacramento.

Why? Chicago took Lavine over Wiggins.

 

[Nokidding]

Dave Joerger absolutely hated Jeff Green in Memphis who is a similar although slightly less talented player than Wiggins, Dave in particular hated his inconsistent effort which one Andrew Wiggins is known for, if he were a 15-18million per year (or even a 2 year deal like Jabari got) guy you could take the gamble but I don't know at 30million over 4 years that's really hard to take, I would prefer Porter on the 2 year deals that is 24-27million at this point.

 

[The_Jamal]

The fact that you think this is a good thing at $30 mil year is beyond baffling.

You look at a negative player with a 5 year $150 mil contract and you try to spin it as “at least he’s locked in!” Thats not a good thing. Not even close. Your evaluation is way off on this and the stats provided earlier only make it that much clearer.

You can try to move the goalposts and make the argument that the Wolves wouldn’t do it; therefore, it must be a great deal for the Kings. In the end, I couldn’t care less what the wolves would and wouldn’t do. The fact of the matter is that the Kings should never be actively seeking a guy like Wiggins. His contract is way too big and eliminates our chances of finding a much better player for the same amount of money. That’s what you seem to not understand.

Amazing what a name brand can do for you. Wiggins is a negative player on a $5mil/season deal, it'd be absolute madness to bail out the Wolves from paying him the $30 mil/season he's owed for the next 5 seasons. I have no idea why some want to acquire a wing who doesn't rebound, doesn't defend, doesn't create for his teammates, takes low % shots, and hogs a ton of usage