Temple Traded for Ben McLemore and Deyonte Davis (merged)
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Was reading this about trades, so they can be moved in the right circumstance, paired with other salary.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/four-common-misconceptions-about-nba-trades.html
There are a number of rules in the CBA that limit a team’s ability to reacquire a player after trading him. For instance, the Bucks weren’t able to re-sign Greg Monroe after the Suns bought him out last week, since Milwaukee traded Monroe to Phoenix earlier this season. The Celtics currently aren’t able to reacquire Avery Bradley in a trade, since they dealt him to Detroit at the start of the 2017/18 league year.
However, even though the Celtics and Pistons can’t currently acquire Bradley from the Clippers, the veteran guard is eligible to be traded again this week. The CBA only prevents the Clips from aggregating Bradley’s salary with another player’s salary in a trade for two months after acquiring him.
What exactly does that mean? Well, Bradley is currently earning $8,808,989. So if the Clippers want to acquire a player earning $20MM by packaging Bradley with Austin Rivers (whose salary is $11,825,000), they wouldn’t be able to do so, since Bradley’s salary would have to be aggregated with Rivers’ to match that $20MM cap figure. But if the Clips simply want to acquire a player earning $9MM, sending out Bradley on his own would be fine, since his salary isn’t been aggregated with another player’s salary in that scenario.
This doesn’t mean that Bradley has to be the only outgoing piece in any trade involving him. For instance, if the Clippers wanted to trade Bradley and DeAndre Jordan ($22,642,350) for a player earning $25MM, that would be okay. Jordan’s salary on its own is large enough to “match” a player earning $25MM, so Bradley’s salary doesn’t need to be aggregated with Jordan’s, even though it’d be a two-for-one deal.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/four-common-misconceptions-about-nba-trades.html
There are a number of rules in the CBA that limit a team’s ability to reacquire a player after trading him. For instance, the Bucks weren’t able to re-sign Greg Monroe after the Suns bought him out last week, since Milwaukee traded Monroe to Phoenix earlier this season. The Celtics currently aren’t able to reacquire Avery Bradley in a trade, since they dealt him to Detroit at the start of the 2017/18 league year.
However, even though the Celtics and Pistons can’t currently acquire Bradley from the Clippers, the veteran guard is eligible to be traded again this week. The CBA only prevents the Clips from aggregating Bradley’s salary with another player’s salary in a trade for two months after acquiring him.
What exactly does that mean? Well, Bradley is currently earning $8,808,989. So if the Clippers want to acquire a player earning $20MM by packaging Bradley with Austin Rivers (whose salary is $11,825,000), they wouldn’t be able to do so, since Bradley’s salary would have to be aggregated with Rivers’ to match that $20MM cap figure. But if the Clips simply want to acquire a player earning $9MM, sending out Bradley on his own would be fine, since his salary isn’t been aggregated with another player’s salary in that scenario.
This doesn’t mean that Bradley has to be the only outgoing piece in any trade involving him. For instance, if the Clippers wanted to trade Bradley and DeAndre Jordan ($22,642,350) for a player earning $25MM, that would be okay. Jordan’s salary on its own is large enough to “match” a player earning $25MM, so Bradley’s salary doesn’t need to be aggregated with Jordan’s, even though it’d be a two-for-one deal.
If Vlade takes Wiggins or Derozan (as 3rd party between Raptors and Spurs on a Kawhi trade). This move will make sense, especially if Shumpert is the one shipped.
Shump/KK f- Derozan - Kawhi
Shump/KK f- Derozan - Kawhi
I take it you have never managed people. There’s a difference between honest assessment and providing goals to improve ones weaknesses, and trashing an employee out the door. Even if they believed it (which by the way I can assure you they don’t) what purpose would it be to tell him “we are unhappy and dissatisfied with your play”. Maybe we are mincing words here, but your premise is silly.
I'm starting to wonder if we're going to take on Wiggins and his bloated contract.
With both KAT and Jimmy Butler poised to get extensions next summer and Wiggins lack of development coupled with rumors that Wiggins is unhappy with his rile and Butler is unhappy with the lackadaisical play of his young teammates I could see Thibs looking to ship him out for cap relief.
Not a deal I want to see the Kings make but I'm trying to figure out why the Kings made a deal to open up even more space.
Maybe it is just doing Temple a favor but it was his choice to opt in and I would have just rather seen the Kings keep him if that's the case.
With both KAT and Jimmy Butler poised to get extensions next summer and Wiggins lack of development coupled with rumors that Wiggins is unhappy with his rile and Butler is unhappy with the lackadaisical play of his young teammates I could see Thibs looking to ship him out for cap relief.
Not a deal I want to see the Kings make but I'm trying to figure out why the Kings made a deal to open up even more space.
Maybe it is just doing Temple a favor but it was his choice to opt in and I would have just rather seen the Kings keep him if that's the case.
Temple wasn’t going to play a big role here this year. Of course you do him a solid. Agents have to see this and figure that the Kings are not quite the crap show as they used to be. Might help with mid level to better types in coming to us in free agency. If you got guys like Vince Carter and Temple endorsing their time in the organization, it’s a step in the right direction. Better than them trashing the organization.
You really are an optimistic guy... I have less than 0% hope Ben can be a meaningful player in this league. No way, he's just bad and he had all the opportunities in this world to prove he's worth something. And he failed.
Like others said, Ben's problem is between his ears. Jumping high and having a nice looking shot doesn't make you an NBA player. Ben just doesn't have it. There's no hope here, just a trash player we should cut immediately. I don't want to see him even for a minute in a Kings jersey anymore.
Like others said, Ben's problem is between his ears. Jumping high and having a nice looking shot doesn't make you an NBA player. Ben just doesn't have it. There's no hope here, just a trash player we should cut immediately. I don't want to see him even for a minute in a Kings jersey anymore.
I feel you're right, if the kings were confident in willie, then they wouldn't keep drafting bigs (like Giles and Bags).
I only see partying and painting (no hard work). He's not strong enough to play against bigger centers. His free throw shot has gotten worse, he thinks hes a primary option on offense, etc.
I don't see it.
I only see partying and painting (no hard work). He's not strong enough to play against bigger centers. His free throw shot has gotten worse, he thinks hes a primary option on offense, etc.
I don't see it.
In a vacuum trading Temple for a 2nd rounder while reducing salary for this season while not adding any for next season is a net positive.
And my assumption is that Davis will be waived and the cash considerations from Memphis are made to facilitate that.
But until that happens the Kings are team with one roster spot remaining and very much in need of a SF and a backup PG. Temple at least offered the versatility of backing up 1-3. He's an emergency PG and I don't like him there but he's done it. McLemore is strictly a SG and possibly a downgrade from Temple at that spot.
So as things stand today the Kings have gained a 2nd round pick and $1 million in caproom but there are still roster holes for this season that have been exacerbated by this deal.
And honestly for a young team I'd rather have a high IQ, good locker room veteran at the end of the bench than low IQ guys in McLemore and Davis who offer little on the floor and nothing off the floor in terms of helping these kids adjust and develop. In Davis' case it sounds like he may even be a net negative in the locker room.
So hopefully both Ben and Deyonte are waived soon but then the Kings have three spots to fill instead of two.
And my assumption is that Davis will be waived and the cash considerations from Memphis are made to facilitate that.
But until that happens the Kings are team with one roster spot remaining and very much in need of a SF and a backup PG. Temple at least offered the versatility of backing up 1-3. He's an emergency PG and I don't like him there but he's done it. McLemore is strictly a SG and possibly a downgrade from Temple at that spot.
So as things stand today the Kings have gained a 2nd round pick and $1 million in caproom but there are still roster holes for this season that have been exacerbated by this deal.
And honestly for a young team I'd rather have a high IQ, good locker room veteran at the end of the bench than low IQ guys in McLemore and Davis who offer little on the floor and nothing off the floor in terms of helping these kids adjust and develop. In Davis' case it sounds like he may even be a net negative in the locker room.
So hopefully both Ben and Deyonte are waived soon but then the Kings have three spots to fill instead of two.