Luka Doncic (pre and post-draft discussion thread)

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hrdboild said:
It's not a wall of inconsistencies, look at the sample sizes. The difference between 17% and 35% on those 29 shots he took in March is 6 made baskets. If he had knocked down 2 more of his threes in November, 2 more in February, and 6 more in March he would be at 37% for the year. Are you really going to tell me that the outcome of 10 shots over 6 1/2 months is serious cause for concern? The whole point is that we don't know yet what will happen in season 2. roasthawg is the one that brought up Chris Paul -- a 13 year NBA veteran -- and implied that Fox might be a bad fit next to Doncic because he doesn't shoot the ball with nearly the same efficiency. Well, so far he's outpacing Chris Paul if we compare rookie seasons.

College shooting stats don't always translate to the pros. I don't think the "CP3 was better in college so we knew his percentage would improve" argument really holds up. It took Stauskas 4 years to find his range and he was elite in college too. A lot of guys never do. Kevin Durant is one of the best shooters in history and he shot 29% his rookie season. Can we at least give Fox a couple seasons before labeling him as a non-shooter for life? He was 6 for 6 in a game against San Antonio this year. You don't luck your way into 6 made threes in the same game.
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I think the shooting concerns are completely justified.

Statistically, Fox hasn't shown that he can shoot at any level. He claims to have been a good 3 point shooter in high school but there is no evidence of that. Chris Paul was not only a great 3 point shooter in college but he was also a great free throw shooter as well. Fox hasn't proved that he can shoot threes, mid range shots or free throws up to this point.

These guys that struggle their rookie years and then turn into great shooters usually have some sort of shooting track record that predates their struggles. Durant was extremely inefficient his rookie year in the NBA but he was extremely efficient in all shooting facets in college. Fox has yet to show that he can shoot the ball at all and everyone is banking on him being a good shooter in the future for no real good reason other than the fact that we want him to become a good shooter. But so far, there is zero evidence of him being able to shoot the ball from any spot on the floor, including free throws. The odds are not in his favor at all on this one.
 
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I really find it strange that there are so many Kings fans who don't want to see Fox's sophomore season before passing judgment. It is just flabbergasting. That they are often the same people who want to cast our whole lot with Porter and also try to trade into another rookie (using Fox) ... that's even more bizarrer

So if a rookie doesn't knock it out of yard his first season, then try another rookie next year. on and on and on.
 
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There's brief Luka Doncic scouting reports from American NBA players who now play in Euroleague... includes JT!

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/luka-don...uting-report-euroleague-strengths-weaknesses/

Everyone has good things to say about Luka, but everyone mentions his lack of athleticism. It's not "nitpicking" as a lot of Doncic fans have claimed. Some of them are curious to see how he'll adjust to the athleticism of the NBA.

He’s ready, I just wouldn’t say he’s Dirk, Pau or Marc like they are trying to say. It’s easier for euro bigs to adjust (to the NBA) than guards. It’s just easier overseas because if you’re 6’6-6’8 and you can dribble, shoot, play iso, and play pick-and-roll (like he can) you’re already in the NBA. So there aren’t a lot of teams that can matchup with his size in Europe. I’ve seen what happens to him when he goes against players his height or close-to who are athletic. He struggles mightily. Go check the film in Panathinaikos series. He was struggling to create space, to get the team in the offense comfortably, and to create shots, and get by guys. Granted Panathinaikos is the most athletic team in Euroleague, but that’s kind of athleticism he will see in NBA.
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King-Da-Yah said:
Ozy just really wants Bamba or JJJ. Luka is a complete scrub in his or her eyes...unfortunately. Like I always tell my kids, “everyone likes different things”

I don’t see it. I have watched every available Luka game these past 3 months. The kid has heart, and he got game!
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This isnt true....blatant mischaracterization. I like Luka and have followed his story as long as eurohopes had 2000-born rankings listed. I worry about his fit (specifically on D) on this team given the current landscape of the western conference and with the lack of a pick in 2019 to fall back on and all these young players things could sour quickly......... I worry that people say he's a good not great shooter, as far as i was concerned his hype for years was that of an excellent shooter.

Im vehement that mo Bamba is the most talented prospect in the field. That doesnt mean i dont think Lukas bad, just not the best option. Im not one of the many extremists on the site pretending theres some steep decline across the top 8 in talent i think these players are all gonna be good. I expect the top 10 to make 2+ billion in their careers, if u converted these extremists thoughts into dollars the number wouldn't be close to 2billion cuz according to them (And their crystal ball) theres busts and benchplayers and average joe landmines in every direction but Luka. I say they are paranoid and biased
 
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Yeah, I don't get the whole "lets trade Fox" thing either. The main issue with people seems to be his shooting, but Fox's shot mechanics are fine, he's going to get better with reps. We might have to wait until year 3 or so, but once he starts shooting with consistency, his whole game is going to open up.

People also question his fit with Doncic, but Fox is definitely looking like a score first PG, so I like the idea of playing him with Luka, who is very pass first. It might be ugly next season, but they should grow together really well. Both guys are hard workers and smart. I'd rather gamble on those two getting their shooting percentages up to respectable levels than risk Porter Jr's back or Bagley, with his old school skill set, adapting to the new NBA.

All the trade Fox chatter does make me wonder how everyone would rank him as a prospect against this incoming class of rookies. Would he go top 3? Top 6? Top 10? Personally, I have him in that 5-7 range. I have to think he'd be the first PG off the board, ahead of Young, but that could just be my inner homer talking.
 
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How certain are you guys that Ayton goes #1. I dont think its a wrap, i think its likely but I would not be shocked if they pick someone else either Doncic or Bamba
 
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VF21 said:
Ah, thanks for the clarification. But that begs the question. Why would Aneel post it on Instagram TODAY? He has to be sending a message!!!!!

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Chris Paul's rookie 3pt % is a giant anomaly. The year after he shot 35%. Chris Paul shot 46.5% from 3pt in his freshman year and 47.4% in his sophomore year paired with his 83.8% FT shooting. Freshman Fox shot 24.6% from 3pt and 73.6% from FT. So comparing Paul's random off year to Fox's shooting is not a good comparison at all. CP3 and Fox were about the same age in their rookie year. Not saying it's impossible for Fox to improve, but I don't like the CP3 shooting progression comparison with the above considered.

Fox's 3pt shooting was up and down. I never said he would never be a good shooter, but I am concerned about his 3pt shooting Those numbers are all over the place. 33>25>42>29>17>33. That's a wall of inconsistencies, not necessarily progression. However, what I did like is how much more comfortable he was towards the end of the season shooting them. In this league, 31% is not acceptable for a PG. He's only a rookie, and as you said, he can improve. But shooting is arguably the 2nd most important skill you need as a PG. It's not the easiest thing to learn as we saw with Tyreke who took 4yrs to become a respectable shooter and 7yrs to become a good one.
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firstt of all the kid is well a kid. One of the quickest in the NBA and clutch as hell. There is no problem with having too many playmakers. His mid range is gold. The kid is special and will get better. To me having a variety of skills on the team makes the team.
 
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Here we go... I think Luka has been their guy all along and they have been testing the waters. Fan reaction, critical reaction around the league, etc. Seeing if anyone wants to make any crazy trade ideas. It's more likely the Kawhi news has put a premature stop to those more than anything else.

I think Bagley is probably still in play but expect to see the FO mouthpieces slowly cool on him over the next few days as well.
 
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John Galt said:
I don't know how long ago they did it, but Tankathon just put Bagley in at #2 (it had always been Doncic before).

I'd sleep better with Bagley vs Porter.. but I sure hope it winds up being Doncic.
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Ringer did it today or yesterday as well.

I think the Kings are doing a pretty good job effing up everyone's draft boards. I think Vlade is open to trading down 1-2 spots if the price is right but in the end he won't because neither team is capable of putting the right offer together.
 
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pdxKingsFan said:
Ringer did it today or yesterday as well.

I think the Kings are doing a pretty good job effing up everyone's draft boards. I think Vlade is open to trading down 1-2 spots if the price is right but in the end he won't because neither team is capable of putting the right offer together.
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We’re rumored to love porter/Bagley and are down on Doncic. Nobody would have know we met Doncic if vevik son didn’t post a picture on Instagram this leads me to believe Doncic is the man we’re taking
 
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Joshoua said:
We’re rumored to love porter/Bagley and are down on Doncic. Nobody would have know we met Doncic if vevik son didn’t post a picture on Instagram this leads me to believe Doncic is the man we’re taking
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If you pay careful attention to sources, much of the "down on Doncic" predates the end of the season. Because I imagine they were hoping we'd be able to nab him at 4 or 5 if the season had played out differently.
 
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John Galt said:
Breaking 10 minutes ago on twitter

Vlade Vivek and cantanella have decided to proceed with intent to pick Luka.

I’m at the movies on my phone - can’t figure out how to paste tweet from NBADraftGod
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You know what means. Don’t be changing the channel until after the top 10. If we draft Luka I think the pick is traded within 30 min
 
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John Galt said:
Breaking 10 minutes ago on twitter

Vlade Vivek and cantanella have decided to proceed with intent to pick Luka.

I’m at the movies on my phone - can’t figure out how to paste tweet from NBADraftGod

https://twitter.com/statuses/1008226884696489984
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I have no idea yet whether they really have inside sources or are just making stuff up. But unless their account is just to troll before the draft, I dont get why you would put something like that out without having some real inside information. If their goal really is to compete with Woj/Shams, you put your reputation on the line with statements like that. Its easy falsifiable if the Kings pick Bagley. Thats why normally reporters never go that much into detail.
 
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biltalent said:
I have no idea yet whether they really have inside sources or are just making stuff up. But unless their account is just to troll before the draft, I dont get why you would put something like that out without having some real inside information. If their goal really is to compete with Woj/Shams, you put your reputation on the line with statements like that. Its easy falsifiable if the Kings pick Bagley. Thats why normally reporters never go that much into detail.
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Like you said - easily negatable ... which makes me believe it is legit
 
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206Fan said:
There's brief Luka Doncic scouting reports from American NBA players who now play in Euroleague... includes JT!

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/luka-don...uting-report-euroleague-strengths-weaknesses/

Everyone has good things to say about Luka, but everyone mentions his lack of athleticism. It's not "nitpicking" as a lot of Doncic fans have claimed. Some of them are curious to see how he'll adjust to the athleticism of the NBA.
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He will truly struggle on another level against NBA 3's The majority of them are less than 10 percent body fat, ripped muscle, and very fast and athletic. If Doncic struggled against soft Euro's, he's going to get beat up in the NBA.
 
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