Michael Porter Jr
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Why? Seriously... I want the Kings to do their due diligence so that when they announce their pick NOBODY can accuse them of tunnel vision. Watching a player at a pro day function works for me. I've been to the pre-draft workouts. They're not all that mysterious or unique and it doesn't really matter where they're held. (As an aside, I remember thinking how good Dionte Christmas looked the year I went. Look him up on Wikipedia and you'll see what happened to him. 
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You perceive him as a top player in the draft. I don't! He's a bum with a jacked back. He takes terrible shots with no drive game, no juke game and no physicality to speak of. But don't believe me. I am only right more often than anyone on this board. Not bragging. Fact. This will all bear out in the weeks and months ahead. Porter projects as a low efficiency scorer with passive defense. Yeah let's draft him! I don't give two cents about his high school rating. Use your intuition and common sense and you will see he is on a cash grab before the con is exposed! Our front office time could be spent more constructively deciding on legit #2 prospects (Bagley, Bamba, Luka, even JJJ) instead of wasting time on a gimpy phony concealing his health records. You continue to defend the second worst GM in the NBA who reclaimed his titled today as the worst with the resignation of Burner Account Bryan. I believe in doing your due diligence. I don't believe in chasing rainbows. Even if Porter Jr had the most epic 1-0 workout tomorrow and next week, dominating chairs and phantom defenders, it would be extremely negligent to select him. So why bother showing up in the first place?!?! Gross.
You sir are more wrong here than with how off you were with Tatum. Porter is a clear cut above Bagley. Bagley is the guy that will disappoint out of these top prospects....i agree with you about Bamba. Id love to come away somehow with Porter and Bamba. Either should be the kings pick if wr cant get both
If Porter is healthy no way he slides to chi. Memphis will snap him up at 4 is furthest he falls. Wouldnt at all be surpised to see Atl take him if we dont at 2. If we want Porter trading down isnt an option...unless his medicals are iffy. Hopefully us fans will have some footage of tomorrows workout in chi.
Here's whats going on in these mock drafts. A bunch of teams are hoping Porter or Bamba will slid to them so when media calls they put word out that they are high on bagley or JJJ....so those guys are getting a lift in these mocks. They keeping their mouths shut about porter cause they dont want a team to trade ahead of them or feel like selecting him at 2 would be early.
Porter to kings at 2 then bamba will go 3
Porter to kings at 2 then bamba will go 3
LOL, okay. I look forward to revisiting performance comparison of these two players wherever they end up. Last year fans were losing their minds over Lonzo Bust and assigning him tag of franchise player before the draft. Now he is a bricklayer with Daddy issues who finishes league worst at the rim, needs to remake his jump shot and hope he doesn't get beat out by Josh Hart. All of this was forecastable. I know so because I forecast it. Porter Jr is this years Lonzo Bust. Actually Lonzo Bust was the better prospect but both are extremely flawed players.
As far as Tatum, I admit to being wrong about him for reasons I won't get into. I don't claim to be right all the time, just most of the time. It is those who refuse to admit to being wrong you have to be suspicious. I have no problem admitting when I was wrong and learning from it. Thats how you get better and whatever you do. In the case of Tatum, I should has listened to his interviews to discern his poise and intelligence beyond his years and envisioned him as more of a face-up player. The post up game at Duke in which he stepped away from contact did not impress me, shooting low percentage fade aways. That aspect of his game has been largely eliminated within a system that gets the most out of his skills.
As far as Tatum, I admit to being wrong about him for reasons I won't get into. I don't claim to be right all the time, just most of the time.
It is those who refuse to admit to being wrong you have to be suspicious. I have no problem admitting when I was wrong and learning from it. Thats how you get better and whatever you do. In the case of Tatum, I should has listened to his interviews to discern his poise and intelligence beyond his years and envisioned him as more of a face-up player. The post up game at Duke in which he stepped away from contact did not impress me, shooting low percentage fade aways. That aspect of his game has been largely eliminated within a system that gets the most out of his skills.
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Now to shoot down your objection like a fish in a barrel. I believe in due diligence. Going to Chicago to scout Michael Porter Jr is undue diligence. You may need to look up the definition of due diligence. I believe there is reference to the word "reasonable". Giving this kid serious thought at #2 is unreasonable for reasons I have extensively detailed. Going to Chicago to watch him play in an empty gym is undue diligence. But the worst GM in the NBA feels otherwise. I am not surprised but I still find it gross. Let me know if you need further clarification on my posts.
Now to shoot down your objection like a fish in a barrel. I believe in due diligence. Going to Chicago to scout Michael Porter Jr is undue diligence. You may need to look up the definition of due diligence. I believe there is reference to the word "reasonable". Giving this kid serious thought at #2 is unreasonable for reasons I have extensively detailed. Going to Chicago to watch him play in an empty gym is undue diligence. But the worst GM in the NBA feels otherwise. I am not surprised but I still find it gross. Let me know if you need further clarification on my posts.
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Verbal aggressiveness is not persuasive. What is persuasive is a well-reasoned qualitative argument that focuses on what these players can and can't do on the floor and weighing these variables prudently. You haven't done that. Where Porter is concerned, it is an impossible job. Unless you want to place undue credence on how he played in high school. That is not however a well-reasoned qualitative argument. That is a hope and a prayer.
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Now to shoot down your objection like a fish in a barrel. I believe in due diligence. Going to Chicago to scout Michael Porter Jr is undue diligence. You may need to look up the definition of due diligence. I believe there is reference to the word "reasonable". Giving this kid serious thought at #2 is unreasonable for reasons I have extensively detailed. Going to Chicago to watch him play in an empty gym is undue diligence. But the worst GM in the NBA feels otherwise. I am not surprised but I still find it gross. Let me know if you need further clarification on my posts.
Now to shoot down your objection like a fish in a barrel. I believe in due diligence. Going to Chicago to scout Michael Porter Jr is undue diligence. You may need to look up the definition of due diligence. I believe there is reference to the word "reasonable". Giving this kid serious thought at #2 is unreasonable for reasons I have extensively detailed. Going to Chicago to watch him play in an empty gym is undue diligence. But the worst GM in the NBA feels otherwise. I am not surprised but I still find it gross. Let me know if you need further clarification on my posts.
And your damn right about Porter. He’s weak and smoke. He’s not a SF or PF (not lateral enough for 3s not strong/tough for 4s), no handles, no playmaking, just shooting and straight line driving. It’s smoke based on him being a consensus guy for the last year, which conditions minds, and our possible need for his supposed position
Why is Vlade going to see him work out? Well he has a bad resume the last three years so I have no faith in his judgement, but two other possible reasons could be here
1. Again, we can’t get anyone to come in because of our reputation, as Bamba/Jackson/Bagley have planned to visit Atlanta and we again haven’t sniffed consensus top ten guys wanting to come here. And to not look like a stood up brides maid we need to be linked to someone
2. We plan to pick up another mid first round pick by taking on dead salary with our cap, where Porter should fall with his smoke game/injury history
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This. All these folks saying they would move Porter ahead of Doncic if he looks good in a workout just sound vapid. When do top 10 picks not look good in individual, scripted workouts? They are basically saying, “on Friday I will move Porter ahead of Doncic because he will be in a gym with NBA people.” I hope our front office is smarter than that, but my hope is dwindling given the local media hypetrain.
Only Doug actually follows these prospects through the year, and he’s the closest to the front office and will NOT be putting out prospect analysis that has not been blessed by Vlade. Grant and Ham are not basketball guys, and don’t know most of these players from Adam. They are only going to watch highlights of the prospects the front office directly recommends. Jason Jones IS a basketball guy, but the Lakers don’t have a top pick this year, so he’s probably not very interested. CD is rapidly becoming a company man and will not be stepping on Grant’s toes. Witness the recent Twitter kerfuffle. Ross is quite sound, but I’m not sure where he stands.
Only Doug actually follows these prospects through the year, and he’s the closest to the front office and will NOT be putting out prospect analysis that has not been blessed by Vlade. Grant and Ham are not basketball guys, and don’t know most of these players from Adam. They are only going to watch highlights of the prospects the front office directly recommends. Jason Jones IS a basketball guy, but the Lakers don’t have a top pick this year, so he’s probably not very interested. CD is rapidly becoming a company man and will not be stepping on Grant’s toes. Witness the recent Twitter kerfuffle. Ross is quite sound, but I’m not sure where he stands.
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If highschool film is so useless and unpredictive of a future 1and done prospect, then WHY are all the top ranked guys from last year Ayton, bagley, Bamba JJJ trae at the top of the draft boards now? Seems like you could pretty much throw out all these guys 1 collage year and not much changes...so makes since to a simplton as myself that a healthy Porter ranked #1 ahead of all these guys with the exception of maybe Ayton, then that jnfo is still useful.
You focus on his skinnyness and lack of strength, but that hasn't been an issue for the 2nd best player on the planet in Durant so why should it be a problem for Porter (who has a better frame for strength) whose offensive game is very similar?
Bagely is undersized to play the 5 yet his current offensive game places him in that spot to be able to take advantage of his quickness. He isnt a post up threat, not yet much of a face up threat, similar strength as Porter with less reach and wingspan. Then defensively he is neck and neck with ayton for worst defensive instincts which makes playing him at the 5 nearly impossible. But unlike Ayton bagley has none of the physical attributes to be a solid interior defender. Really hard to see that happen. So you have to play Bagley with a true 5 with Bagley at the 4. Unless Bagley develops the outside game that Porter posseses in spades already, then bagley will hurt spacing. But thats not the end of it. Bagely needs to develop both a great post game and perimeter game. Because say he learns to hit the 3 but cant post. Just gaurd him with a wing. Then no quickness advantage. And even if he learns to post to take the smaller guy downlow, well now the defense has their 5 waiting on the weakside to bring help.
My point is, Porter is well down the durant type of player pathway and we already know how valuable that is. A 6 11 player with long arms that can shoot over anyone and anytime, with the gift of nice touch, and able to put it on the floor os a nightmare to gaurd. Porters game translates easily to the NBA where i see more question marks to what Bagley brings. Bagley is an undersized 5 whose quickness advantage will shrink dramatically in the NBA and will have to develope an outside game akin to what Porter already has, but for Bagley tbis is not his basketball nature where he wants to be inside.
Just imagine Thaddeus Young, a normal type of player that most teams have gaurding Bagley....how much of a plus is Bagley in this matchup? Bagley is far far away frm having the offensive skills to take advantage of this matchup...then he is a liability to your interior defense on the other end.
Now with Porter agaonst same defender? Just shoots over the top or goes around him if Young crowds him.
If highschool film is so useless and unpredictive of a future 1and done prospect, then WHY are all the top ranked guys from last year Ayton, bagley, Bamba JJJ trae at the top of the draft boards now? Seems like you could pretty much throw out all these guys 1 collage year and not much changes...so makes since to a simplton as myself that a healthy Porter ranked #1 ahead of all these guys with the exception of maybe Ayton, then that jnfo is still useful.
You focus on his skinnyness and lack of strength, but that hasn't been an issue for the 2nd best player on the planet in Durant so why should it be a problem for Porter (who has a better frame for strength) whose offensive game is very similar?
Bagely is undersized to play the 5 yet his current offensive game places him in that spot to be able to take advantage of his quickness. He isnt a post up threat, not yet much of a face up threat, similar strength as Porter with less reach and wingspan. Then defensively he is neck and neck with ayton for worst defensive instincts which makes playing him at the 5 nearly impossible. But unlike Ayton bagley has none of the physical attributes to be a solid interior defender. Really hard to see that happen. So you have to play Bagley with a true 5 with Bagley at the 4. Unless Bagley develops the outside game that Porter posseses in spades already, then bagley will hurt spacing. But thats not the end of it. Bagely needs to develop both a great post game and perimeter game. Because say he learns to hit the 3 but cant post. Just gaurd him with a wing. Then no quickness advantage. And even if he learns to post to take the smaller guy downlow, well now the defense has their 5 waiting on the weakside to bring help.
My point is, Porter is well down the durant type of player pathway and we already know how valuable that is. A 6 11 player with long arms that can shoot over anyone and anytime, with the gift of nice touch, and able to put it on the floor os a nightmare to gaurd. Porters game translates easily to the NBA where i see more question marks to what Bagley brings. Bagley is an undersized 5 whose quickness advantage will shrink dramatically in the NBA and will have to develope an outside game akin to what Porter already has, but for Bagley tbis is not his basketball nature where he wants to be inside.
Just imagine Thaddeus Young, a normal type of player that most teams have gaurding Bagley....how much of a plus is Bagley in this matchup? Bagley is far far away frm having the offensive skills to take advantage of this matchup...then he is a liability to your interior defense on the other end.
Now with Porter agaonst same defender? Just shoots over the top or goes around him if Young crowds him.
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