2018 draft fits with this team

bajaden

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Sactown ExPat said:
That is probably a correct valuation for the #1 if you are just going by a value chart, and Jackson is #5 on my board, but it would be a bummer to pass on maestros like Doncic and Young. Not saying your scenario would not have a bright future, but it would be a tough sell for the front office. The fan base would be pretty bummed.

Also, Bamba is going to be a major slider come June. Mo is a major project, and is unlikely to make any real contributions until his second contract. He has big time highlights, but watching a full Texas game allows for deeper analysis. He just has a long way to go. Imagine Skal without the silky jumper, but longer arms.
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I agree wholeheartedly. I think in time Bamba might turn out to be special, but as you stated, it's going to take a lot of time. Other than dunking, one of his weapons is supposed to be his three point shot. So far, that hasn't materialized. He's shooting 21.3% from the three, and only 51% overall. Yeah, I know 51% is not bad, but when you consider that almost all of his scoring is is done on dunks, that means he's missing a lot shots around the basket. For example, when you look at two other players in his class that do a lot of scoring around the basket, Bagley 61.3%, and Ayton 63.9%, you can see the difference. Both players are far more efficient. I'll be curious to see how Bamba fares when going up against NBA centers that out weigh him, and are far stronger than him. He needs to add around 25 pounds of muscle minimum. His defense on the pick and roll, and on the perimeter in general has improved a lot since the beginning of the season, but still has a ways to go. But I can see him being a pretty good P&R defender in the future.

If I'm sitting there and all the players I would prefer, Doncic, Bagley, Ayton, Porter, Jaren Jackson, and maybe Young are gone, I would take Mikal Bridges over Bamba and I wouldn't think twice about it. Why? Because number one, he's ready to play and really contribute right now. Secondly, he fits a position of need, SF. Thirdly, I feel confident that Bridges is going be a very good NBA player when it's all said and done, and I'm not so sure of that with Bamba. By the way, I also question Bamba's hands. He juggles a lot of rebounds and passes. I wouldn't go so far as to say he has bad hands, but he's a long long way from being DeMarcus Cousins. When Cuz got his mitts on a ball, it was his, while I've seen guys, while battling for a rebound, some 3 to 5 inches shorter than Bamba take the ball right out of his hands. Just not sold on him.

By the way, shot blocking is overrated. How many times has a blocked shot gone right back to the offensive team who then scores the ball. Nice stat, and fun to watch, but unless your Wilt Chamberlain and you block every shot to yourself, it's not as impactful as one might think.
 
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KingsSelecao said:
The only issue I have with Bogdan is Defense. Bogdan tries hard on D, but is not very athletic and gets eaten alive by faster and bigger Sg's. Mitchell destroyed him tonite.
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how do you mean? they barely guarded each other. in fact i think Mitchel scored only 2 of his 35 while Bogdanovic was guarding him. or do you mean Mitchel outscored Bogdanovic by 10?
 
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sactowndog said:
If it erases “any” concerns I would suggest you are too confident.

Wing defense is certainly a concern but I’m not sure any of the players address it. That’s one reason passing on OG was such a bummer as he would have fit perfectly with Bogdan.

Bagley, Ayton and Jackson are all 4-5’s and can’t defend the wing. Tre young is too small, Porter has a bad back and Doncic might be too slow.

My dream scenario is we get one and Boston gets 5 and we trade Brown and 1 for 5. Boston takes Ayton and we take Jackson/Bamba.
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Take Doncic and move on and if that trade was done you don’t touch Bamba at all I’d go with Porter. Have a Brown-Porter-WCS front court. Actually I think Vlade would do that trade if we were at 2 and Doncic went 1 so Boston could get Ayton.

Fox-Bogdan-Brown-Port-WCS

That’s an exciting line up with a lot of potential
 
SacTownKid

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Jerred Vanderbilt is back from injury at Kentucky. He's probably the player I've been most intrigued by coming into this year. He didn't play much in his debut but skill wise this dudes off the charts. He's also bigger than I thought he'd be.
 
gunks

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Gary said:
Trae Young... I don't care that we have Fox.. Young >>>>>>> Fox in the NBA. Guarantee it.
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If we draft Young, we'd have to trade Fox. I can't think of a franchise successfully developing two PGs. Let alone this franchise, which seems to have trouble developing anyone.

If we somehow trade Fox for Young on draft day, I'd be intrigued.

If we draft Young with our pick and trade Fox for anything of suspect value, I'll be quite peeved.

With our owner, and the Curry comparisons, you gotta think Trae will be in the convo come draft day... especially if we drop out of the top 3.

The kid can really shoot, I'll give him that.
 
KingsFanSince85

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Čarolija said:
If 7-8 is a good number, how exactly do you expect the Kings to become a good rebounding team? Fox is good as a rebounder for position. Bogdan and Buddy are OK. Basically your SF and PF would have to be beasts on the board to make up for your big man averaging 7-8 rebounds per game.
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ESP47 said:
Yeah rebounding woes span across the team. WCS is our best big man but he's also the worst rebounder of the big men. Bogdan is actually a very poor rebounder. 3rd worst on the team.

The only guys that hold their own on the boards are Koufos, Mason and Hield. Everyone else on the team is basically below average.
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It’s gotta be a team effort. The Warriors seem to figure it out.

Draymond Green averages 8 rpg and has for most his career. Like Willie, he spends a lot of time away from the basket on switches. Willie is currently averaging 6.6 playing less minutes.

The Kings just need more of a team effort on the boards. Same goes for defense.
 
KingsFanSince85

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gunks said:
If we draft Young, we'd have to trade Fox. I can't think of a franchise successfully developing two PGs.
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Not necessarily. You draft the best player available and figure it out from there. Besides, Young is such a good shooter and ball handler that you could play both in this day and age of positionless basketball.

Think Portland passing on Jordan because they had Drexler. This team isnt good enough to draft for need or by position. They need to amass as much talent as they can and see who rises to the top. Then you can make trades that even things out later.
 
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gunks said:
If we draft Young, we'd have to trade Fox. I can't think of a franchise successfully developing two PGs. Let alone this franchise, which seems to have trouble developing anyone.

If we somehow trade Fox for Young on draft day, I'd be intrigued.

If we draft Young with our pick and trade Fox for anything of suspect value, I'll be quite peeved.

With our owner, and the Curry comparisons, you gotta think Trae will be in the convo come draft day... especially if we drop out of the top 3.

The kid can really shoot, I'll give him that.
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False absolutely false

Young and Bogdan could start with Fox and Hield off the bench.

Young(30mpg)-Bogdan(12mpg@SG18@SF)
Fox(30mpg)-Hield(24mpg)
 
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A Young and Fox backcourt playing together for 30 minutes a night would get abused defensively. There is no way we take Trae Young in the top 4. Fox has a better chance to be a borderline all-star than Trae Young has of becoming the next Steph Curry.

In the draft if you have equal talents at the top, then you have to fill a hole Doncic, Ayton, maybe Bagley and Porter.....I'm taking Doncic
 
Mike

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gunks said:
If we draft Young, we'd have to trade Fox. I can't think of a franchise successfully developing two PGs. Let alone this franchise, which seems to have trouble developing anyone.

If we somehow trade Fox for Young on draft day, I'd be intrigued.

If we draft Young with our pick and trade Fox for anything of suspect value, I'll be quite peeved.

With our owner, and the Curry comparisons, you gotta think Trae will be in the convo come draft day... especially if we drop out of the top 3.

The kid can really shoot, I'll give him that.
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Unless we do something whacky and try what the Suns' did when they used Bledsoe and Knight or Bledsoe and IT backcourts. Not saying we should try Fox and Trae together, but in a sense it wouldn't surprise me if we did based on how this team has been run and coached in recent times.

Though come to think of it. Lillard and McCollum aren't much bigger than Trae and Fox. I suppose they two inches in height on Trae but that's about it, unless their other measurements are different?

Based off how Fox has done as a rookie I'd say we would have offers for him if he's made available. The kids talented and got lots of upside. It would be a shame if we moved on from him, but I can understand the appeal of Trae.
 
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KingsFanSince85 said:
Not necessarily. You draft the best player available and figure it out from there. Besides, Young is such a good shooter and ball handler that you could play both in this day and age of positionless basketball.

Think Portland passing on Jordan because they had Drexler. This team isnt good enough to draft for need or by position. They need to amass as much talent as they can and see who rises to the top. Then you can make trades that even things out later.
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I basically agree, you draft the best player available and let the rest sort itself. Thats what Boston has successfully done the last few drafts.
Problem is I have zero faith that our front office can see BPA even if he walks into their training facility and gives an impressive performance and great interview. We will instead let some team picking 13th enjoy that opportunity then watch him school our picks. Sorry, I try to stay positive, but enough allready.
 
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dude12 said:
A Young and Fox backcourt playing together for 30 minutes a night would get abused defensively. There is no way we take Trae Young in the top 4. Fox has a better chance to be a borderline all-star than Trae Young has of becoming the next Steph Curry.

In the draft if you have equal talents at the top, then you have to fill a hole Doncic, Ayton, maybe Bagley and Porter.....I'm taking Doncic
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Lillard and McCollum are making it work to an extent in Portland.

What it really comes down to is how much of a priority do you place on defense. Are we trying to model ourselves on a grit and grind kinda team and go against the grain? Or do we want to play a more open and attacking brand of ball and play good defense but prioritise the scoring?

At the end of the day it would be great to feature a starting five that can shoot well, score and play defense. But when you see some of the contests being high scores, with defense being second, it might see backcourts like this emerge unless teams try to win with defense and grit and grind approaches.
 
ockingsfan

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If Trae Young is BPA when we draft, you have to draft him and figure it out later.

Trae Young has been looking really, really impressive, it would be difficult to pass on him.

In today's NBA, he could be a 10 year All-Star.
 
SacTownKid

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Gary said:
Trae Young... I don't care that we have Fox.. Young >>>>>>> Fox in the NBA. Guarantee it.
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Depends. If he gets Larry Brown as his coach, and they stack a team of all world defenders around him while letting him shoot 30 times a game maybe. Young is a good player, but small guards that aren't all world defenders themselves typically need to be in the exact right situation for it to pay off. Fox has physical intangibles defensively that Young will never have so it depends on what aspect you're looking at.
 
SacTownKid

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ockingsfan said:
If Trae Young is BPA when we draft, you have to draft him and figure it out later.

Trae Young has been looking really, really impressive, it would be difficult to pass on him.

In today's NBA, he could be a 10 year All-Star.
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Figuring it out later is the precise issue the Kings have had in many previous drafts. If they draft Young, they need to figure it out THAT NIGHT.
 
KingsSelecao

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SacTownKid said:
Depends. If he gets Larry Brown as his coach, and they stack a team of all world defenders around him while letting him shoot 30 times a game maybe. Young is a good player, but small guards that aren't all world defenders themselves typically need to be in the exact right situation for it to pay off. Fox has physical intangibles defensively that Young will never have so it depends on what aspect you're looking at.
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Where are you getting 39 fga's? From one game? He averages 19.5 attempts per game. He's also averages 29.5 on 45 percent, 40 percent on 3's, 10 dimes, and 4 boards. Lets looks at the whole season, not one stinking game.

The guy is a monster.
 
KingsSelecao

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SacTownKid said:
Depends. If he gets Larry Brown as his coach, and they stack a team of all world defenders around him while letting him shoot 30 times a game maybe. Young is a good player, but small guards that aren't all world defenders themselves typically need to be in the exact right situation for it to pay off. Fox has physical intangibles defensively that Young will never have so it depends on what aspect you're looking at.
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As far as pure talent, Fox and Trae are not in the same atmosphere. His defense is not that porous, if you have watched him in a full game. Not a youtube highlight. Offensively, he's already miles ahead of Fox. That's a fact. Just compare their college stats. It's not even close. Fox has a long, long way to go to just being average.
 
gunks

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So for people who've watched Young, what's a good comp?

Everyone is saying Curry because of his rediculous range but 10 assists a game is pretty damn good for college as well. Is that a usage thing? Or is he looking like a stud playmaker?
 
SacTownKid

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Folsomkingsfan said:
Trae young already looks like he could drop 30 in NBA right now. Fox or no fox he has to be in the convo come draft day.
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KingsSelecao said:
Where are you getting 39 fga's? From one game? He averages 19.5 attempts per game. He's also averages 29.5 on 45 percent, 40 percent on 3's, 10 dimes, and 4 boards. Lets looks at the whole season, not one stinking game.

The guy is a monster.
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You're not thinking in relative comparison. The college and NBA games have different clocks. Who does Young remind me of? Allen Iverson. Of course there are some differences as to how they do what they do and where from but still. Here's something to chew on, Allen Iversons USG% in the year the Sixers went to the finals was 35%. Trae Young so far this year is 39%. That's insane.
 
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KingsFanSince85

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dude12 said:
A Young and Fox backcourt playing together for 30 minutes a night would get abused defensively. There is no way we take Trae Young in the top 4.
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You might be right about them defensively, but that's not the point. The Kings are still in a position where they need to collect the best talent available. Over a couple seasons, you see who works out the best then trade the parts that don't work for parts that do.

dude12 said:
In the draft if you have equal talents at the top, then you have to fill a hole Doncic, Ayton, maybe Bagley and Porter.....I'm taking Doncic
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I agree to a point. If the players are close to equal, then the deciding factor can be position or skill set. But what they shouldn't do is pass on the more talented player because of who is already on the roster.
 
SacTownKid

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KingsFanSince85 said:
You might be right about them defensively, but that's not the point. The Kings are still in a position where they need to collect the best talent available. Over a couple seasons, you see who works out the best then trade the parts that don't work for parts that do.



I agree to a point. If the players are close to equal, then the deciding factor can be position or skill set. But what they shouldn't do is pass on the more talented player because of who is already on the roster.
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How has that worked for the Kings in the past?
 
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ESP47

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Joshoua said:
There’s 0 chance we pick Young unless we are at 5 and he’s there so I wouldn’t swear it
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Teams are going to tank hard at the end of the year with end of bench players that might end up being worse than ours so I wouldn't count on being in the top 4 until those lottery balls fall.
 
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