Rebuild Strategy (or WE WANT LINS!)

[sactowndog]

Yeah, but I left out some stats on almost every player. I was just trying to give an overall picture. As for the rest of those players you mentioned, I was trying to stick with those players that were considered the top picks in the draft. I really liked Kuzma, and had him as one of four players I wanted for the Kings in the 2nd round. That said, I had no idea he would be this good. When the Kings traded down, I figured they take either Jackson or OG. Loved his defensive abilities.

Yeah I wanted the Kings to take OG. Guys who stay a year to find their shot in college are typically poor NBA shooters. Hopefully Jackson can improve and prove me wrong but I think we regret that pick.

 

[sactowndog]

You are the one that chose GSW as your model. Curry did not average 20+ per game until his 4th season. So to answer your question, we don't know yet

To quote Lebron, "This ain't instant oatmeal."

Sort of. He didn’t play much his 3rd season. 20 some games many injured.

 

[sactowndog]

The Kings don't get top 3 picks. there have only been 3 times in the last 35 years when the Kings picked in the top 3. So apparently "horrible" has got nothing to do with it? What are you going to do about that? Thanks for bringing this up, pretty damn depressing.

For a full run down of the misery---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings_draft_history

True but Vlades luck appears to be different. Karma for being a good guy?

 

[sactowndog]

Come on, your just cherry picking. What about Cousins, Evans, Peja, Martin, J. Will, Gerald Wallace, Brian Grant, Funderburke, Ricky Berry, etc. Yeah, they had a bad run with the players you mentioned, but part of that was due to the Maloof's meddling.

Okay even from that list how many 4-5 time all stars. 3 maybe? Not a very impressive list of your best draft picks. But yes Jeff could draft well.

 

[sactowndog]

You keep saying this, and I keep giving you evidence to the contrary. They are in the 6th spot currently.

Why are you using the Warriors model. There is no model for what the Kings are doing. None. Doesn't exist, it's never been done before.

The odds of where you stand isn’t just your current spot. Just as the Kings have a chance to move into the top 3 so does every other team. Their cumulative odds means your most likely scenario is to slide 1 spot as the odds are high at 6 one team below you will jump into the top 3. So the odds would indicate we draft 7.

Someone previously claimed the warriors model was closest to what Vlade was doing. So to be fair I’m using it as a baseline but I agree. The warriors played the young guys big minutes and they took most of the shots. Our vets are taking ours, so it’s not the same.

BTW you never responded how ZBo taking all the shots at the end of the Phoenix game while Bogdan and Buddy watched helps in development?

 

[Larry89]

Quite true The dynasty that is the current GSW team owes it all to a moron LOL!

KAAAHHHN

 

[Capt. Factorial]

The Kings have been extremely unsuccessful drafters. We picked Jimmer at #11, T-Rob at #5, McLemore at #7, Stauskas at #8, and Tyler Honeycutt at #36.

The Kings have been extremely poor talent evaluators.

Of course, none of those players were drafted by the current front office. It's not as if there's some sort of mystique to wearing purple and having a crown logo that makes a team's drafting bad. It's the personnel in charge of the draft that determine a team's success there.

If you want to evaluate the current drafting prowess of the Kings, you can't do so on the basis of anything other than:

• Willie Cauley-Stein at #6
• The idea that #13, #28, and Bogdan Bogdanovic had more value than #8 (Marquese Chriss)
• Georgios Papagiannis at #13
• Skal Labissiere at #28
• Bogdan Bogdanovic as draft rights
• The idea that #22 had more value than Marco Belinelli
• Malachi Richardson at #22
• Isaiah Cousins at #59
• De'Aaron Fox at #5
• The idea that #15 and #20 had more value than #10 (Zach Collins)
• Justin Jackson at #15
• Harry Giles at #20
• Frank Mason at #34

That's the data that we have for this front office's drafting - and it's too early to make a strong case for a lot of these decisions either way. But any way you look at it, Tyler Honeycutt back in 2011 hasn't a thing to do with it.

 

[sactowndog]

Of course, none of those players were drafted by the current front office. It's not as if there's some sort of mystique to wearing purple and having a crown logo that makes a team's drafting bad. It's the personnel in charge of the draft that determine a team's success there.

If you want to evaluate the current drafting prowess of the Kings, you can't do so on the basis of anything other than:

• Willie Cauley-Stein at #6
• The idea that #13, #28, and Bogdan Bogdanovic had more value than #8 (Marquese Chriss)
• Georgios Papagiannis at #13
• Skal Labissiere at #28
• Bogdan Bogdanovic as draft rights
• The idea that #22 had more value than Marco Belinelli
• Malachi Richardson at #22
• Isaiah Cousins at #59
• De'Aaron Fox at #5
• The idea that #15 and #20 had more value than #10 (Zach Collins)
• Justin Jackson at #15
• Harry Giles at #20
• Frank Mason at #34

That's the data that we have for this front office's drafting - and it's too early to make a strong case for a lot of these decisions either way. But any way you look at it, Tyler Honeycutt back in 2011 hasn't a thing to do with it.

Doesn’t this leave out Vlades biggest move of Cousins versus Buddy Heild and the 10th pick????

In all fairness hard to analyze without knowing what was left on the board:
Stein at 6 with player like Winslow, Turner, Booker, Oubre, Porter

Papa G at 13 with LaVert, Ulis, Brogdan ????

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Doesn’t this leave out Vlades biggest move of Cousins versus Buddy Heild and the 10th pick????

The discussion was specifically about the draft, though. There's a bit of a difference between the evaluation of known commodities (and their contract situations) and the evaluation of unknowns (in that they have never played in the NBA).

But if one were to change the question to the current front office's OVERALL effectiveness, then yes, the Cousins trade is a - if not THE - crucial element to consider.

In all fairness hard to analyze without knowing what was left on the board:
Stein at 6 with player like Winslow, Turner, Booker, Oubre, Porter

Papa G at 13 with LaVert, Ulis, Brogdan ????

Yes. I was merely pointing out which data points are fair game for evaluating Vlade's drafting and which are not. But I do think that in some ways the "who got passed up" question is a bit overplayed. How many GMs passed on Isaiah Thomas again? Do we hold all of them accountable in the same way we hold our own front office accountable for their misses, or do they get an "out of sight, out of mind" pass on their misses that we don't afford our own?

 

[The Effort Police]

GSW picked Curry at #7, Klay at #11 and Draymond at pick #35. Quick, who was the GM that picked Curry? Anyhow my point is you don't necessarily need a top 3 pick.

It's all about odds.

It's technically possible to get anything from any draft position, but it's not probable. Being dismissive of higher picks because you CAN get what you need at lower picks is called betting against yourself.

 

[LPKingsFan]

It's all about odds.

It's technically possible to get anything from any draft position, but it's not probable. Being dismissive of higher picks because you CAN get what you need at lower picks is called betting against yourself.

Right. What's better than hoping you luck out and a Curry falls through the cracks to 7? How about having the 1 pick and picking between Curry and Harden?

If you trust your scouts to spot Curry at 7, then they should know to take him with the top pick too.

That said, we all know that the last time the Kings were successful rebuilt, they did so only picking at 7. Unfortunately, we've already cashed in our "Richmond" chip (Boogie) and... here's hoping Giles pans out!

 

[206Fan]

Of course, none of those players were drafted by the current front office. It's not as if there's some sort of mystique to wearing purple and having a crown logo that makes a team's drafting bad. It's the personnel in charge of the draft that determine a team's success there.

If you want to evaluate the current drafting prowess of the Kings, you can't do so on the basis of anything other than:

• Willie Cauley-Stein at #6
• The idea that #13, #28, and Bogdan Bogdanovic had more value than #8 (Marquese Chriss)
• Georgios Papagiannis at #13
• Skal Labissiere at #28
• Bogdan Bogdanovic as draft rights
• The idea that #22 had more value than Marco Belinelli
• Malachi Richardson at #22
• Isaiah Cousins at #59
• De'Aaron Fox at #5
• The idea that #15 and #20 had more value than #10 (Zach Collins)
• Justin Jackson at #15
• Harry Giles at #20
• Frank Mason at #34

That's the data that we have for this front office's drafting - and it's too early to make a strong case for a lot of these decisions either way. But any way you look at it, Tyler Honeycutt back in 2011 hasn't a thing to do with it.

Then what the hell does Draymond have anything to do with the Kings? Steph Curry? Klay Thompson? Kings didn't have a single crap to do with them, but the poster uses those guys as gems found in the mid-lotto rounds, when I showed that the Kings have a history of being horrible evaluators in both.

• WCS is still a ? mark.
  
• Bogdanovic was tooling with the Phoenix FO. They never knew if he was actually serious about coming over. It helped justified that trade for them. Kings probably won that trade, but there's no guarantee that Chriss would've been the Kings' pick at 8.
  
• PapaG is still a ?
  
• Skal at 28 is still a ?
• I'm not even sure Bogdanovic would've 100% came over if not for the Serbian connection with Vlade.
  
• Malachi is still a ?
• Fox is still ?
• no guarantees that the Kings would've picked Collins at 10
• JJ is still a ? but he's an older player who looks destined to be a backup
• Giles is a big ?
• Mason is a ?

If you want to factor in draft trades, you need to factor in that Stauskas trade. That trade was laughably bad. Kings thought that the $10milion cap space or whatever it was had more value than a 1st year player, a 2016 pick swap, a 2017 pick swap, and a 2019 1st round pick.

The entire cap space was fully intended for a max contract for 28yearold Wes Matthews coming off an Achilles injuryLOLLLL.

In 2017, we jumped from 8th to 3rd overall. Pick swap forced us to draft at #5 instead of #3. That trade alone is one of the worst I've seen in the NBA. Mortgaged our future assets for a run at Wes Matthews who took less money somewhere else. Then the Kings used that money to run at Danny Green..who also took less money somewhere else. I guess you could say we got Belinelli with that cap space, but one could easily argue that we got Rondo with it. The notion that somehow the 22nd overall pick balances out the pick swaps and the 2019 1st rounder is insane to me.

 

[bajaden]

Then what the hell does Draymond have anything to do with the Kings? Steph Curry? Klay Thompson? Kings didn't have a single poopoo to do with them, but the poster uses those guys as gems found in the mid-lotto rounds, when I showed that the Kings have a history of being horrible evaluators in both.

• WCS is still a ? mark.
  
• Bogdanovic was tooling with the Phoenix FO. They never knew if he was actually serious about coming over. It helped justified that trade for them. Kings probably won that trade, but there's no guarantee that Chriss would've been the Kings' pick at 8.
  
• PapaG is still a ?
  
• Skal at 28 is still a ?
• I'm not even sure Bogdanovic would've 100% came over if not for the Serbian connection with Vlade.
  
• Malachi is still a ?
• Fox is still ?
• no guarantees that the Kings would've picked Collins at 10
• JJ is still a ? but he's an older player who looks destined to be a backup
• Giles is a big ?
• Mason is a ?

If you want to factor in draft trades, you need to factor in that Stauskas trade. That trade was laughably bad. Kings thought that the $10milion cap space or whatever it was had more value than a 1st year player, a 2016 pick swap, a 2017 pick swap, and a 2019 1st round pick.

The entire cap space was fully intended for a max contract for 28yearold Wes Matthews coming off an Achilles injuryLOLLLL.

In 2017, we jumped from 8th to 3rd overall. Pick swap forced us to draft at #5 instead of #3. That trade alone is one of the worst I've seen in the NBA. Mortgaged our future assets for a run at Wes Matthews who took less money somewhere else. Then the Kings used that money to run at Danny Green..who also took less money somewhere else. I guess you could say we got Belinelli with that cap space, but one could easily argue that we got Rondo with it. The notion that somehow the 22nd overall pick balances out the pick swaps and the 2019 1st rounder is insane to me.

Let me see. Since the Kings could have drafted Collins at ten, and didn't, then I think I can guarantee you that they wouldn't have drafted Collins at ten. Not really sure what you point is. All you did was restate what the Capt stated, just differently.. As for whether the Kings would have drafted Chriss at eight, see Collins at ten. Point is, the Kings could have drafted either of them if they really liked them and didn't. The jury is still out on Collins, who I like. But thank god the Kings didn't draft Chriss, who I didn't like. If they had, I'm sure you would have added him to your list of bad draft choices for the Kings.

 

[sactowndog]

Yes. I was merely pointing out which data points are fair game for evaluating Vlade's drafting and which are not. But I do think that in some ways the "who got passed up" question is a bit overplayed. How many GMs passed on Isaiah Thomas again? Do we hold all of them accountable in the same way we hold our own front office accountable for their misses, or do they get an "out of sight, out of mind" pass on their misses that we don't afford our own?

In isolation with a single player yes and Isaiah is clearly an outlier. But when taken as a whole it tells a more complete picture because not every draft is the same. For example using the 2013 draft drafting Mclemore with McCullom, Giannis, Gobert and Schroeder all on the board is a pretty big miss.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

In isolation with a single player yes and Isaiah is clearly an outlier. But when taken as a whole it tells a more complete picture because not every draft is the same. For example using the 2013 draft drafting Mclemore with McCullom, Giannis, Gobert and Schroeder all on the board is a pretty big miss.

Yet Anthony Bennett, Cody Zeller, Alex Len, and perhaps Nerlens Noel were also big misses there taken before McLemore, and we don't usually take those into account when addressing the relative merits of our own front office to others. Drafting is hard, and we shouldn't get stuck thinking that we are the only ones who are bad at it.

 

[hrdboild]

Yet Anthony Bennett, Cody Zeller, Alex Len, and perhaps Nerlens Noel were also big misses there taken before McLemore, and we don't usually take those into account when addressing the relative merits of our own front office to others. Drafting is hard, and we shouldn't get stuck thinking that we are the only ones who are bad at it.

Your overall point is fair. It was a mediocre draft and the biggest success stories were boom or bust prospects that nobody was comfortable taking in the top half of the lottery. Not to mention it's hard to get these things right even in an above-average draft. There's just so many variables involved and most of the top players have limited samples of college production to evaluate. And you did use the word "perhaps" as a qualifier... but still, Nerlens Noel stands out on that list even as a possible big miss to me because he's actually played rather well when he's been healthy. Nobody expects him to excel as a scorer, but as a defensive presence and a rebounder he's been solid, trending at times toward elite. He got buried behind Embiid (no shame there) and Okafor in Philly (they obviously should have moved Okafor sooner but Nerlens had an expiring deal and the expectation of an expensive upcoming contract so that's why he was the first to go) and then this season he got the Rondo treatment from Rick Carlisle after a whole off-season of bad blood developed between him and the organization culminating in his decision to play out the remaining year of his restricted status. I don't think we're really going to see what Noel can do this season until Dallas inevitably trades him for a few spare parts and he goes to a team that actually wants him to succeed. Maybe his ceiling is limited as a defensive role-player, but he has shown that he can produce about 12-15 pts, 10 rebs, 2 ast, 2 stl, and 2 blk per game when given starter's minutes and I don't think there's a team in the league who wouldn't gladly take that production from a 6th overall pick.

 

[macadocious]

The odds of where you stand isn’t just your current spot. Just as the Kings have a chance to move into the top 3 so does every other team. Their cumulative odds means your most likely scenario is to slide 1 spot as the odds are high at 6 one team below you will jump into the top 3. So the odds would indicate we draft 7.

Someone previously claimed the warriors model was closest to what Vlade was doing. So to be fair I’m using it as a baseline but I agree. The warriors played the young guys big minutes and they took most of the shots. Our vets are taking ours, so it’s not the same.

BTW you never responded how ZBo taking all the shots at the end of the Phoenix game while Bogdan and Buddy watched helps in development?

Am I taking crazy pills? I have linked the 538 statistical model twice now that shows our odds are tied for the 3/4 spot with a standard deviation of 1. That is current up to the minute projections from one of the most respected statistical websites available.

As for Zbo taking the late game shots, they learned in part, that to win a game you need a top tier scorer to get you buckets down the stretch. If you have that guy, get him the ball. While Zbo is far past his prime, he can still do that time to time. I personally think it's ok to have the young guys experience that a couple times a year. I thin it's better than Buddy chucking a left handed floater with 2 seconds on the clock because he got himself stuck. Hoepfully you see from that last sentence, that the coach isn IN FACT, doing both.

 

[Suicide King]

There's more that goes in to winning than who took the last few shots. Besides, the play still has to be run by all 5 players correctly. Someone has to get the ball to Z-Bo or whoever. Staying competitive in these games has a lot of benefits. Namely, you have to play different when you are down 20. If we are always down 20, how can they learn how to close out close games at the end.

I know it's difficult to foresee how one thing or another helps develop for the future. However after frequenting other team sources like say, the Suns, I intend to let things play out until at least the trade deadline before sweating it too hard. Suns fans on a site I visited like Booker of course but feel every single other player they are trying to develop has been going no where. Not showing any growth what so ever.

I am willing to be patient a little longer. Besides, not like the FO listens to my suggestions anyway.

 

[KingsFanGER]

I'm going to cut my posting about the Kings way down for a while or maybe even stop all together until Joerger and whoever else gets fired for the incompetency of this franchise. They're headed toward another pointless year, full of pointless wins, only to miss out on a franchise player because they have this incessant need to grind out wins using players that won't even be here for the proverbial playoff run we have all been hoping for in the future. This franchise is like a kid that keeps forgetting the stove is hot and continues to touch it every year. How many times can the same mistake be made by a professional franchise?

I don't understand why people get excited over wins like this. They won because of ZBo and Hill. If you are rooting for a playoff run in a couple years, all this does is hurt those chances. Does anyone remember the 9th win of the 2010 season? Does anyone remember the 9th win of the 2012 season? No....because no one cares and because when we think about what makes us happy about being Kings fans, it's usually the glory days with Webber and co. So these mini shots of dopamine you get from these pointless wins might make you feel good as a fan from game to game but in the long run they're going to keep us from ever being excited on a higher level about this team.

Our "franchise" player in Fox is used solely as a defender that brings the ball up the court and hands it to ZBo. That's all he's being used for. Go watch the first half over again. This isn't a player that is timid. This is a guy who is being forced into a crap system that does nothing other than hamper his future development so a guy like ZBo can shine. I have zero problems with ZBo because this is Joerger's issue. I'm tired of watching it because it's boring, pointless and damaging to all of the young guys on the team. I never in a million years thought this year would be boring. I thought it would have plenty of head scratching moments and I thought it would be frustrating watching young guys play like young guys but I never thought it would be boring because I didn't think the coach and the franchise were so inept that they would ride aging veterans all year at the expense of our young guys.

I'm sure people are tired of reading my repetitive rhetoric and quite frankly, I'm tired of writing it. Teams like the Lakers are doing it the right way. They are so far ahead of us on the intelligence scale that it's infuriating to sit back and watch one or two of their young guys shine on a nightly basis while we're stuck here watching ZBo shine because our main guy in Fox is being so mishandled so badly by our coach that it should be considered abuse. All the rumors about Joerger being a terrible coach for the development of young players are completely true. This guy has no idea how to coach a rebuilding franchise so there's almost no point in putting any more time into this unless he gets fired or something changes drastically.

And another voice of reason gone. I loved reading your opinions and hope you find a way to continue to enjoy being a Kings fan. Sad that this board turns more and more into an echo chamber because of the constant hostility by those not interested in debate but only in approval.

 

[Larry David]

I'm going to cut my posting about the Kings way down for a while or maybe even stop all together until Joerger and whoever else gets fired for the incompetency of this franchise. They're headed toward another pointless year, full of pointless wins, only to miss out on a franchise player because they have this incessant need to grind out wins using players that won't even be here for the proverbial playoff run we have all been hoping for in the future. This franchise is like a kid that keeps forgetting the stove is hot and continues to touch it every year. How many times can the same mistake be made by a professional franchise?

I don't understand why people get excited over wins like this. They won because of ZBo and Hill. If you are rooting for a playoff run in a couple years, all this does is hurt those chances. Does anyone remember the 9th win of the 2010 season? Does anyone remember the 9th win of the 2012 season? No....because no one cares and because when we think about what makes us happy about being Kings fans, it's usually the glory days with Webber and co. So these mini shots of dopamine you get from these pointless wins might make you feel good as a fan from game to game but in the long run they're going to keep us from ever being excited on a higher level about this team.

Our "franchise" player in Fox is used solely as a defender that brings the ball up the court and hands it to ZBo. That's all he's being used for. Go watch the first half over again. This isn't a player that is timid. This is a guy who is being forced into a crap system that does nothing other than hamper his future development so a guy like ZBo can shine. I have zero problems with ZBo because this is Joerger's issue. I'm tired of watching it because it's boring, pointless and damaging to all of the young guys on the team. I never in a million years thought this year would be boring. I thought it would have plenty of head scratching moments and I thought it would be frustrating watching young guys play like young guys but I never thought it would be boring because I didn't think the coach and the franchise were so inept that they would ride aging veterans all year at the expense of our young guys.

I'm sure people are tired of reading my repetitive rhetoric and quite frankly, I'm tired of writing it. Teams like the Lakers are doing it the right way. They are so far ahead of us on the intelligence scale that it's infuriating to sit back and watch one or two of their young guys shine on a nightly basis while we're stuck here watching ZBo shine because our main guy in Fox is being so mishandled so badly by our coach that it should be considered abuse. All the rumors about Joerger being a terrible coach for the development of young players are completely true. This guy has no idea how to coach a rebuilding franchise so there's almost no point in putting any more time into this unless he gets fired or something changes drastically.

☝ This

 

[Larry David]

For years, this board has espoused the benefits of teaching mediocre players “how to win” as the Kings won 1/3 of their games, drafted 7 or higher, and stayed bad. So far, not working out great.

On the bright side, when we’re still crummy but not horrible in 2020 the revamped lottery odds will finally conform to our 12 year plan.

 

[Kingsfan23]

There are a lot of faceless vets getting minutes on this team, Koufos, Temple, Carter etc for a rebuilding team. A lot of youth is on the bench.. Just doesn’t make sense for a young team

 

[biltalent]

Of course, with the Kings expectedly being one of the worst teams in the league, everyone rightfully talks about next years draft. However we should not forget that the Kings can also use trades to rebuild.

One trade I always come back to is trying to nab Jabari Parker. As most us are aware, he is currently recovering from his second ACL, but based on reports he seems to be able to return around all star break. The injury is of course a big risk factor, especially because he is going to hit RFA in the summer. However, that is probably the only reason why a player of his talent could be available.

Why would the Bucks trade Parker? The Bucks already have an enormous payroll. Hence, signing Parker to a large contract is risky, especially since no one knows how he looks when he comes back. If you look at Bucks fans forums, some are already paniking about big offer sheets in July and thus are working on Jabari trades. Some other fans are hell-bent on keeping him. But I guess thats the same discussion going on in the Bucks front office. Interestingly, the Bucks seem to be looking for Centers. Well guess which team has a lot of those!

Why would the Kings trade for Parker? The Kings need talent, plain and simple. The Kings dont have their 2019 pick and thus have to look for additional ways of adding talent. Parker is a rare opportunity to gamble one such a player. The Kings also have no long term contracts so paying Parker is not as severe. Also, Kings can afford to bring him back slowly. If the Kings find a way to nab him, they are looking at a core of Parker, Fox and a top pick in 2018 plus prospects Buddy, Skal and Giles. Suddenly the rebuild looks way more promising.

Some trades that seem realistic:

Trade option 1: Willie Cauley-Stein for Jabari Parker straight up.
Simple but effective trade to set the stage. Parker is the better talent but the injury and contract status brings his value down. Willie brings great length and athleticism to Milwaukees center position. Coming of his best stretch of games, the Bucks might be interested. However, I could see the Bucks being hesistant because they still pay Henson and could use a bruiser down low as well.

Trade option 2: Willie Cauley Stein, Zach Randolph for Jabari Parker and John Henson.
Same idea, but Bucks get Willie and a bruiser in Zbo to play of the bench. Kings get off of Zbos 14 mil for next, but take on Hensons 10 mil in 2018 and 9 mil in 2019. I like that trade for both teams. However I am not sure Kings are ready to deal Zbo yet.

Trade option 3: Willie Cauley, Kosta Koufos and one of Vince Carter/Garret Temple for Jabari Parker and John Henson.
Same idea as before, but this time, Bucks a get defensive bruiser in Koufos.

Honestly, I like all three variations from the Kings perspective. There are lots of other deals possible as well, for example including Richardson. In the end, I guess, it would come down on Parkers health and the Bucks willingness to move him.

 

[sactowndog]

Yet Anthony Bennett, Cody Zeller, Alex Len, and perhaps Nerlens Noel were also big misses there taken before McLemore, and we don't usually take those into account when addressing the relative merits of our own front office to others. Drafting is hard, and we shouldn't get stuck thinking that we are the only ones who are bad at it.

Never said it wasn’t and yes misses occur at the top because often the teams drafting there are bad at it. By the way my point was not to say the Kings were bad versus others only that a B. Mac pick might be worse than a Pappa G pick given the other talent available at the time.

 

[sactowndog]

Am I taking crazy pills? I have linked the 538 statistical model twice now that shows our odds are tied for the 3/4 spot with a standard deviation of 1. That is current up to the minute projections from one of the most respected statistical websites available.

As for Zbo taking the late game shots, they learned in part, that to win a game you need a top tier scorer to get you buckets down the stretch. If you have that guy, get him the ball. While Zbo is far past his prime, he can still do that time to time. I personally think it's ok to have the young guys experience that a couple times a year. I thin it's better than Buddy chucking a left handed floater with 2 seconds on the clock because he got himself stuck. Hoepfully you see from that last sentence, that the coach isn IN FACT, doing both.

Are we going off current standings our some unknown future projection? Current standing we are 6th (which you wrote) which projects most likely to the 7th pick. The 538 model projects us 3/4 to your point but who knows how tanking will play out.

 

[jcassio]

Seems like a lot of Kingsfans are threatening (or strongly considering) leaving this forum. I hope that the true fans stay, regardless of whether they are from the critical tribe or the cheerleader tribe. The only ones I would like to see leave are those who are one dimensional and are really here to stir up the fan base so as to benefit some other team. But those who want the Kings to be successful this year, next year or five years from now are all equally valued in my book. And... if we were all on the same page, I'd be bored as hell (and long gone).

 

[macadocious]

Are we going off current standings our some unknown future projection? Current standing we are 6th (which you wrote) which projects most likely to the 7th pick. The 538 model projects us 3/4 to your point but who knows how tanking will play out.

I did both. I acknowledged that we are currently sitting 6th but that 538 projects us to finish 3/4.

 

[Sac.1989]

Get Marc Gasol and win now. He's open to a trade and its only a matter of time

Our young guards can continue to develop with a real inside presence.

I full well suspect us to go at this. Coach loves Gasol and he is a vet coach. We raided MEM for Carter and Z and the prospect of adding Gasol would be something Vlade would welcome

Our starting line up (if the salarys work out and we retain our current vets in the deal - ill be the first to admit i dont do number crunching well) would be -

Hill
Temple
Bog
Zbo
Gasol

Actually i dont think that works at all from a numbers perspective but the crux of it is we have a fairly solid line up to me - Real defense and solid Offense with the kids backing up and still developing. Send Hill the other way and let Fox/Mason lead the offense.

We'd have to give up WCS to even start this conversation but his trade value is at its highest

 

[KingsSelecao]

Get Marc Gasol and win now. He's open to a trade and its only a matter of time

Our young guards can continue to develop with a real inside presence.

I full well suspect us to go at this. Coach loves Gasol and he is a vet coach. We raided MEM for Carter and Z and the prospect of adding Gasol would be something Vlade would welcome

Our starting line up (if the salarys work out and we retain our current vets in the deal - ill be the first to admit i dont do number crunching well) would be -

Hill
Temple
Bog
Zbo
Gasol

Actually i dont think that works at all from a numbers perspective but the crux of it is we have a fairly solid line up to me - Real defense and solid Offense with the kids backing up and still developing. Send Hill the other way and let Fox/Mason lead the offense.

We'd have to give up WCS to even start this conversation but his trade value is at its highest

Gasol would never come here. He is going to a sure fire playoff contender. Bucks, Cavs, Blazers, Utah, a team that is currently winning. Not one that will struggle for an 8th. May of may not get it. If they did, would get hammered by the Dubs in the First.

 

[Sac.1989]

Gasol would never come here. He is going to a sure fire playoff contender. Bucks, Cavs, Blazers, Utah, a team that is currently winning. Not one that will struggle for an 8th. May of may not get it. If they did, would get hammered by the Dubs in the First.

He doesnt have a no trade clause so he doesnt have a choice.

He loved playing with Zbo under Coach J so i really dont see him fighting it at all.

Im pretty sure the warriors would be worried with us. We match up well with them and Z-bo and Gasol would dominate the interior. Minimal settling in period