[Grades] Grades vs. Lakers (or We Won BUT...)
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Hey, Hill is good at dribbling the ball around for 20 seconds of the shot clock. Gotta give credit where its due.
Asking him to be a playmaker or create his own offense is not playing to his strengths.
You don't need big men to pass like Vlade and CWebb to make the offense work. They just need to be capable passers to keep the defense honest. WCS has shown that ability so far. Even ZBo had 7 assists last night and no one would accuse him of being a good passer. He simply looked to pass more in the 2nd half.
Well, I missed the game but watched the highlights!
Bogs to Willie might be a real thing going forward, good to see that both of those guys had great games. WCS has played well in 3 of his last 4 outings! That has to be a record for him, hopefully he keeps it up! Mason is looking like an amazing pick as well. In his limited minutes, he's looked better than Fox!
Strictly going off stats, I would say that Lonzo won round 1. Ah well, I still think Fox has a higher ceiling but Lonzo isn't the slouch that everyone tries to make him out to be. His shooting is abysmal, but the kid can really pass and is a beast on the glass for a PG. If he wasn't a Laker, and if his dad wasn't an idiot, Ball would get a lot less hate. Looking forward to years of Fox and Ball going at it though, should be fun!
Speaking of hate, old man Z-bo did good! I know we want to see the kids get more time/shots, but Z-bo's old man moves keep us in games more often than not. I really don't get the scapegoating. Maybe when Skal proves he can shoot better than 20-30% I'll join in clamoring for more minutes/touches for the kid, but he's looked bad in the games I've watched.
Anyways, we beat The Lakers....Back to lins!
Bogs to Willie might be a real thing going forward, good to see that both of those guys had great games. WCS has played well in 3 of his last 4 outings! That has to be a record for him, hopefully he keeps it up! Mason is looking like an amazing pick as well. In his limited minutes, he's looked better than Fox!
Strictly going off stats, I would say that Lonzo won round 1. Ah well, I still think Fox has a higher ceiling but Lonzo isn't the slouch that everyone tries to make him out to be. His shooting is abysmal, but the kid can really pass and is a beast on the glass for a PG. If he wasn't a Laker, and if his dad wasn't an idiot, Ball would get a lot less hate. Looking forward to years of Fox and Ball going at it though, should be fun!
Speaking of hate, old man Z-bo did good! I know we want to see the kids get more time/shots, but Z-bo's old man moves keep us in games more often than not. I really don't get the scapegoating. Maybe when Skal proves he can shoot better than 20-30% I'll join in clamoring for more minutes/touches for the kid, but he's looked bad in the games I've watched.
Anyways, we beat The Lakers....Back to lins!
Exactly! I had an epiphany the other night watching the game, they were playing poorly and all I could think about was how the forum would explode with all the negativity and how I dreaded reading all that crap the next day. And then it dawned on me. I don't have to. So I haven't, until today. It's a shame that a few whining malcontents who only live to spew negativity, who's only purpose appears to be to hate on the coach and/or players dominate the board after a loss. But this was a WIN!!! Over the Lakers!!!! I thought it would be safe to log back on and check things out, but NO! The self absorbed, know it all complainers still dominate. I'm sick of their comments hating on the coach and on the players. They are constantly giving up on this player or quitting on that player. They are always experts on last years draft and who the Kings should have taken. Some people on here just don't get it, they don't have a clue what a true rebuild with young inexperienced players involves. The "offense" the team runs now will not be the same offense the team runs down the road as experience is gained and personnel changes so all the whining about the current offense and the coach is for naught. Same for the defense. The players they complain about now will not be the same in a couple years (yes,I said a couple years, you really need to get over the desire for instant gratification and learn some patience). I guess I need to take another 5 game sabbatical.
That's been my main complaint. As soon as Fox crosses half court, he's turning around to pass to the trailing Z-bo. Completely neutralizes his main asset of speed. It works for Mason, who is a traditional PG. I'm not convinced that this particular offense fits our players skill set as a whole. But I'll wait and see where this takes us.
On the move again so haven't been able to comment like I'd like. Short, short version: I am glad we won that one. Long way to go but, as a good friend always said, it's the little things. I hate micromanaging, a lot. If we had went 4 and 78 this season, I know which 4 games I would want for victories. Definitely doesn't mean we can't develop. I'm not afraid to just admit I don't know everything, and that I love the team I adopted and it's fans too much, to micromanage. P.S. If you're more depressed about our team than The Suicide King, your doing life wrong.
I didnt look at the stats, but one possible explanation for a slower pace could be, that we arent getting a lot of deflections and steals, arent a good defensive team in general and put guards and wings dont get enough rebounds to push the ball, while our Main rebounders arent guys able to throw quick advance passes.
Basically we are playing against a set Defense most of the time.
Basically we are playing against a set Defense most of the time.
Dude you are just constantly railing against Joerger. John Galt made an eye witness account of Coach urging his guys to run. Many of us have heard it as well.
Did Dave do you wrong in a past life
Did Dave do you wrong in a past life
Ok so lets say WCS grabs a rebound and pushes it out to De'Aaron. Joerger is yelling run, run, run! Fox speeds up the court but there are 3 defenders near the paint so he circles back out to the 3 point line because there's nothing there. Happens 95% of the time in an NBA game. No biggie.
It is at that point that the offense grinds to a halt. It doesn't have to grind to a halt but it does because it's at that moment when they set up the high post offense and either get ZBo a look or waste 10 seconds of the shot clock accomplishing nothing. Instead of getting in the high post, they could simply run a quick pick and roll and see what happens off of that or they could run any sort of play that doesn't take 10 seconds to develop. But usually they just wind up running a high post play.
Remember Joerger saying before the season that he wanted these guys to run and if they couldn't get anything, he wanted to swing it over to the big fella and let him go to work? Most of us were under the impression that ZBo was going to be used more as an emergency plan when a play is broken or time is slipping from the shot clock. I don't care how fast you are, teams don't just fast break all game. It's simply not always there but there's more to playing an uptempo offense than just fast break points. We thought that there would be more to this "fast paced" offense than simply running up the court after a rebound. We thought the plays ran in the half court would be quicker and develop quicker to get the guards in the spots they need to be to be effective.
We didn't think it was going to be about swinging it over to ZBo or WCS in the high post if they couldn't get a fast break bucket within the first 5 seconds of the shot clock. That doesn't happen that often in an NBA game and Joerger needs to develop something in between the fastest offense in the NBA (fast break points) and the slowest offense in the NBA (high post). That's what has to be confusing for these guys because the fast break points are usually not there so how are they supposed to keeping "running" when they're being made to set up a high post offensive set?