Trade deadline approaching for Kings
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Name me one winning team that has a PG that cannot shoot?
Also have you missed our coach saying that he likes Cousins at PF which means that his preference is to play a C with Cousins and there are not many Cs out there that can shoot the 3 so chances are that you will have a big guy next to Cousins who won't be able to shoot (e.g. Kosta or WCS) going forward. In modern game that means that the rest of the spots on the floor should be providing long range shooting and Rubio is not going to be that guy.
There are players out there who can create for others to make them more effective but at the same time have the ability to shoot from the long range. It is the new prototype of a PG in the modenr NBA and that sort of player would certainly be a better fit next to Cousins than Rubio.
He was coming off a season where his stock plummeted. He has certainly rebuilt that reputation and his game in Sacramento. He is overall a better player than Collison and DC will get a deal that will just about double on what he is earning this season. Ty Lawson will get deal at least as similar as DC if not better.
Also have you missed our coach saying that he likes Cousins at PF which means that his preference is to play a C with Cousins and there are not many Cs out there that can shoot the 3 so chances are that you will have a big guy next to Cousins who won't be able to shoot (e.g. Kosta or WCS) going forward. In modern game that means that the rest of the spots on the floor should be providing long range shooting and Rubio is not going to be that guy.
There are players out there who can create for others to make them more effective but at the same time have the ability to shoot from the long range. It is the new prototype of a PG in the modenr NBA and that sort of player would certainly be a better fit next to Cousins than Rubio.
He was coming off a season where his stock plummeted. He has certainly rebuilt that reputation and his game in Sacramento. He is overall a better player than Collison and DC will get a deal that will just about double on what he is earning this season. Ty Lawson will get deal at least as similar as DC if not better.
Darren and Ty have both been playing well lately. IMO with the current Kings roster Darren is better suited to go with the starting unit and Ty is great with the bench unit becaue of his ability to break down a defense. I would not be disappointed if they both came back and played of the Kings next season. Now if Vlade can get Eric Bledsoe, John Wall or Goran Dragic then I might rethink that position.
If we do that, it would be just another sign, that our guys are just completely clueless.
Okafor is much more of a throwback big than DMC. He has the same weaknesses and not the same talent level.
I assume the "plan" is to draft some guards with what Vivek considers "star potential" and to go from there. A young cheap core with the Warriors blueprint all over it.
We should swap coaches with the Pelicans though.....
Okafor is much more of a throwback big than DMC. He has the same weaknesses and not the same talent level.
I assume the "plan" is to draft some guards with what Vivek considers "star potential" and to go from there. A young cheap core with the Warriors blueprint all over it.
We should swap coaches with the Pelicans though.....
I don't agree. At this point we need a vision how we want to move forward as a franchise. What brand of basketball do we want to play. Just stockpiling as much assets as possible will ultimately lead to more dumb, below value trades.
If you move on from Boogie, because you don't believe you can win with a guy, rightfully in the conversation for best big in the league, you don't trade for Okafor.
Not that Okafor is a bad player. His post game is really really good. But that's all he is as a player so far. He is not a good defender, he is not a good rebounder, he is not a good passer, he has very limited awareness when it comes to double teams, his jumpshot is questionable so far, he is not a rim protector. It just doesn't make sense.
If you want to play a certain way, at least finally do it the right way and go all in on it. But that's said - with the level of stupidity of our FO and so called GM a Okafor trade is more than possible. Heck if possible Vlade would give Philly even more draft picks, just to prove a point.
If you move on from Boogie, because you don't believe you can win with a guy, rightfully in the conversation for best big in the league, you don't trade for Okafor.
Not that Okafor is a bad player. His post game is really really good. But that's all he is as a player so far. He is not a good defender, he is not a good rebounder, he is not a good passer, he has very limited awareness when it comes to double teams, his jumpshot is questionable so far, he is not a rim protector. It just doesn't make sense.
If you want to play a certain way, at least finally do it the right way and go all in on it. But that's said - with the level of stupidity of our FO and so called GM a Okafor trade is more than possible. Heck if possible Vlade would give Philly even more draft picks, just to prove a point.
K
Surely the Kings will try to flip Evans/Gallo/DC/KK into something decent in terms of young talent maybe got after Payne/Justin Anderson/Dekker.....A long shot would be Reggie Jackson or Vucievic/Monroe. OKC needs help still as do the Pistons/Pacers (willing to give up a 1st)/Hornets/Celtics.
If the Bulls/Celtics trade maybe we could get in on a 3 way where Butler goes to Boston and maybe we can offer something there.
If the Bulls/Celtics trade maybe we could get in on a 3 way where Butler goes to Boston and maybe we can offer something there.
I think the Kings Team Vision going forward should be that of a tough, gritty, Defense First Team with at least 3 players who handle the ball well and can break down a defense. Guys who can get their own shot are now critical because unless a shooter gets hot I don't see anyone on the Kings roster who deserves a double team.
As far as the Boogie trade I don't like it. But what I am reading is that Vivek was the one who was standing in the way of trading Boogie. Now the truth will come out in time but I suspect all those other owners did not want to pay the Mega Deal to the Kings All Star. The silver lining for DeMarcus is he escapes to play with AD and Jrue and he is near where he grew up.
As an aside I was a W's Fan way back in the day who shunned the NBA after CWebb was traded away for Tom Gugliotta and a handful of magic beans. I started paying attention to the Kings when Petrie was hired. Now I see history repeat itself. One look at my avatar should tell you I am not happy
I think the Kings Team Vision going forward should be that of a tough, gritty, Defense First Team with at least 3 players who handle the ball well and can break down a defense. Guys who can get their own shot are now critical because unless a shooter gets hot I don't see anyone on the Kings roster who deserves a double team.
As far as the Boogie trade I don't like it. But what I am reading is that Vivek was the one who was standing in the way of trading Boogie. Now the truth will come out in time but I suspect all those other owners did not want to pay the Mega Deal to the Kings All Star. The silver lining for DeMarcus is he escapes to play with AD and Jrue and he is near where he grew up.
As an aside I was a W's Fan way back in the day who shunned the NBA after CWebb was traded away for Tom Gugliotta and a handful of magic beans. I started paying attention to the Kings when Petrie was hired. Now I see history repeat itself. One look at my avatar should tell you I am not happy
As far as the Boogie trade I don't like it. But what I am reading is that Vivek was the one who was standing in the way of trading Boogie. Now the truth will come out in time but I suspect all those other owners did not want to pay the Mega Deal to the Kings All Star. The silver lining for DeMarcus is he escapes to play with AD and Jrue and he is near where he grew up.
As an aside I was a W's Fan way back in the day who shunned the NBA after CWebb was traded away for Tom Gugliotta and a handful of magic beans. I started paying attention to the Kings when Petrie was hired. Now I see history repeat itself. One look at my avatar should tell you I am not happy
We either run or we are doomed. We don't have enough playmaking to be successful in the halfcourt. Problem is besides Temple and WCS we have no upper echolon defenders to turn defense into offense.
We can hope for a Blazers like turnaround, but I wouldn't bet on it.
K
I think you are really really overcompensated for Papa and Skal. Okafer has probably already accomplished more than those two ever will. SKal has potential maybe but Papa is just another Cousin-Trade type bad move by Vlade and Vivek. After the past two drafts, free agency periods, and the rest of the garbage, not sure how much more I can take
I read earlier today on Twitter that the KINGS' front office plans to not only waive Barnes, but to waive/buyout Tyreke as well.
If their intent is to dump Tyreke, doesn't this guy have ANY trade value today? I was never impressed with him, but someone has to have a need for him.
Scratching my head....
If their intent is to dump Tyreke, doesn't this guy have ANY trade value today? I was never impressed with him, but someone has to have a need for him.
Scratching my head....
It's a bit complicated. Basically, the player option gets picked up automatically. That means that it also gets stretched, so the payments on that salary will be made over the next three years, instead of just next year. THEN, the team has the option to stretch the salary cap implications, or to not stretch the salary cap obligations. I think at this point it would make most sense for us to NOT stretch the salary cap obligations. It's not like we're going to be spending up to the salary cap next year.
We are gonna have like ten guys on rookie contracts, probably one of the lowest payrolls in the league next year. Heres what our roster potentially looks like next year:
1. WCS (rookie contract)
2. Buddy Hield (rookie contract)
3. Malachi Richardson(rookie contract)
4. Skal( rookie contract)
5. Papa( rookie contract)
6. Kings 2017 1st round pick (rookie contract)
7. Pelicans 2017 first round pick(rookie contract)
8. Sixers 2017 second round pick(rookie contract)
9. Bogdan Bogdanovic(5-8 million per. I would guess)
10. Temple(8 million)
11. Koufos(8 million)
12. Tolliver? (8 million) good vet mentor
Spots 12-15 would be to retain or sign a few solid vets:
Mclemore(If we are going young, why give up on him?)
Lawson
Collison
1. WCS (rookie contract)
2. Buddy Hield (rookie contract)
3. Malachi Richardson(rookie contract)
4. Skal( rookie contract)
5. Papa( rookie contract)
6. Kings 2017 1st round pick (rookie contract)
7. Pelicans 2017 first round pick(rookie contract)
8. Sixers 2017 second round pick(rookie contract)
9. Bogdan Bogdanovic(5-8 million per. I would guess)
10. Temple(8 million)
11. Koufos(8 million)
12. Tolliver? (8 million) good vet mentor
Spots 12-15 would be to retain or sign a few solid vets:
Mclemore(If we are going young, why give up on him?)
Lawson
Collison