Free Agency

I think it's the pelicans. Like us they are forever in win now mode due to ad. Rudy might help them win games, he could be a good fit there.
On the plus side, they don't have to worry about him getting up to play the Pelicans since he loves playing them so much. Has to be one of his highest PPG versus one opponent.
 
So was looking at the FA list in the General section and noticed that Dion Waiters still hasn't signed with anyone. Was it ever confirmed that we met him during the FA weekend? I still wonder if we have any potential trade talks in a holding pattern,for so,e reason. If Ben is traded, maybe Waiters makes onto our squad after all.
 
So was looking at the FA list in the General section and noticed that Dion Waiters still hasn't signed with anyone. Was it ever confirmed that we met him during the FA weekend? I still wonder if we have any potential trade talks in a holding pattern,for so,e reason. If Ben is traded, maybe Waiters makes onto our squad after all.
don't jinx it. As of today, we are Waiters free...let's try our hardest to keep it so.
 
Nets just inked a sheet with Crabbe for 4 yrs at about $18.5M. That on top of the Tyler Johnson poison pill contract for 2 guards who have not been starters yet. Ballsy moves by new GM Sean Marks.....or dumb moves.
 
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As if this last week of NBA transactions wasn't crazy enough, a league source just told me: "We could see a lot of trades in the next week."

Maybe we get our pg
Rudy Gay for Tyreke Evans.

New Orleans gets their small forward and starting spot opens for buddy hield.

Kings get a point guard that can defend and doesn't have to dominate the ball.
 
Rudy Gay for Tyreke Evans.

New Orleans gets their small forward and starting spot opens for buddy hield.

Kings get a point guard that can defend and doesn't have to dominate the ball.
huh? That's exactly what makes Tyreke good.

But it works with our current team construction:

DC
Reke
Casspi
WCS
Cuz

Afflalo
Temple
Barnes
Tolliver
Koufos.


Team that makes a lot of sense. Have to believe in Reke though
 
huh? That's exactly what makes Tyreke good.

But it works with our current team construction:

DC
Reke
Casspi
WCS
Cuz

Afflalo
Temple
Barnes
Tolliver
Koufos.


Team that makes a lot of sense. Have to believe in Reke though
I think you misread my post.

I am saying Tyreke can defend and doesn't dominate the ball like Rajon did. He doesn't need to hold the ball for 18 seconds of the 24 sec shot clock like rondo did.

I think Tyreke would start at point guard alongside afflalo. DC would backup the point guard and shooting guard.
 
huh? That's exactly what makes Tyreke good.

But it works with our current team construction:

DC
Reke
Casspi
WCS
Cuz

Afflalo
Temple
Barnes
Tolliver
Koufos.


Team that makes a lot of sense. Have to believe in Reke though
When you look at it in black and white, it is a lot on Omri's shoulders. Suddenly I feel grateful I have a reliable 20 ppg small forward in Gay. Tough call I think I would not swap Gay for Tyreke .. but maybe I would. Maybe it is close enough to be actually a good fair trade.
 
When you look at it in black and white, it is a lot on Omri's shoulders. Suddenly I feel grateful I have a reliable 20 ppg small forward in Gay. Tough call I think I would not swap Gay for Tyreke .. but maybe I would. Maybe it is close enough to be actually a good fair trade.
We also have Matt Barnes that could start at small forward, along with casspi
 
When you look at it in black and white, it is a lot on Omri's shoulders. Suddenly I feel grateful I have a reliable 20 ppg small forward in Gay. Tough call I think I would not swap Gay for Tyreke .. but maybe I would. Maybe it is close enough to be actually a good fair trade.
Too bad they don't need a backup center and backup sg. I know just the guys that can help them.
 
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huh? That's exactly what makes Tyreke good.

But it works with our current team construction:

DC
Reke
Casspi
WCS
Cuz

Afflalo
Temple
Barnes
Tolliver
Koufos.


Team that makes a lot of sense. Have to believe in Reke though
DC or Reke imo would have to play back up, Temple has not been a PG for a long time and I don't ever remember him playing the point during his time in Washington unless it was a massive blow out or injury, it was either Dre or Sessions playing the back up and prior to that the likes of Eric Maynor. Lance Stepehnson had a good run with the Grizz (under Joeger)coming off the bench and he's a lower IQ version of Tyreke so maybe Dave could get a lot out of Evans in that role.
 
When you look at it in black and white, it is a lot on Omri's shoulders. Suddenly I feel grateful I have a reliable 20 ppg small forward in Gay. Tough call I think I would not swap Gay for Tyreke .. but maybe I would. Maybe it is close enough to be actually a good fair trade.
No it isn't. There's no reason Casspi can't be 13-15 PPG in 30-35 MPG in the above team construction. Dude has flat out become a good player the last 2 seasons and he's shown when he gets minutes, he's a valuable contributor on both ends of the floor. Also doesn't hurt he's shown obvious chemistry with our franchise guy. And people might not want to believe this, but Casspi was BETTER than Rudy last season, PPG be damned.

Team construction actually works better when you don't have 3 guys dominate the ball as we have the last 4 years while the other 2 fight for scraps. It's a big reason why every SG has faltered when they've come here; there's no room for them on the offensive end of the floor.

Cavs are a perfect example. Everything opened up when they reduced Love's role and let Kyrie/Bron operate with defenders/spacers on the floor.
 
I think you misread my post.

I am saying Tyreke can defend and doesn't dominate the ball like Rajon did. He doesn't need to hold the ball for 18 seconds of the 24 sec shot clock like rondo did.

I think Tyreke would start at point guard alongside afflalo. DC would backup the point guard and shooting guard.
oh true.

But Reke is a guy you want with the ball in his hands. We've already seen 6 years of him being ineffective when he's turned into an off-ball player. So that's where I was coming from.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I think you misread my post.

I am saying Tyreke can defend and doesn't dominate the ball like Rajon did. He doesn't need to hold the ball for 18 seconds of the 24 sec shot clock like rondo did.

I think Tyreke would start at point guard alongside afflalo. DC would backup the point guard and shooting guard.

Tyreke is ball dominant in his own way. I've repeatedly pointed out that Rondo's alleged ball hoggery is Steve Nash ball hoggery. Yeah, he has the ball all the time, because HE'S TRYING TO SET UP TEAMMATES. That's how all the pure points work.

Reke does it different. People who didn't watch much Pelicans ball before Gentry came and ****ed things up would not have watched it, but Reke too of course likes to have that ball, set up up top, and burn seconds trying to rock his man into a mistake. The difference in New Orleans was that they were using him in high pick and rolls, and his rushes to the hoop were opening up tons of opportunities for A.D. on the other side of the key. Scylla and Charybdis. Like what Chris Paul and DeAndre Jordan do, only A.D. is obviously a lot more talented than Jordan.

Gentry came in, preaching, dum dum dum... (or more like dumb dumb dumb) a "ball movement offense", wants Reke to quickly swing the ball rather than sit on it, and even before the injuries, Reke was struggling again. That's not his thing. Reke needs to dominate the ball (frankly like basically every great offensive perimeter player). But if you let him you get both his own rushes, and you get a lot of drive and drop and drive and dish assists.

As for a fit here...besides liking Reke, I think his length and versatility might really be an asset again. Not only a long PG with creative attacking ability to take some pressure off Cuz, but with the size to play next to Collison at SG, and even to provide us with some smallball SF looks, which is nice given we'd be putatively trading away Rudy to get him. Lot of versatility, patching a lot of potential holes.

Concerns would be:

1) how serious is Joerger about his own "ball movement offense". Because that isn't Reke, its not Rubio, its not Rondo. Coaches always seem to like to preach that stuff, but if you have a player who can create offense without it, a smart coach backs off and lets the player be themselves. Is that Joerger? No idea.

2) pseudo-Princeton? There have been some hints, both as the coach of Marc Gasol as a high post center, and in remarks about WCS initiating some offense up high, + the ongoing suspicion about any team helmed by Vlade, that we might be having some thoughts of running some pseudo-Princeton offense with Cuz and WCS. If that's true, then the Princeton is almost as bad as the triangle for ball dominant guards. Its an anti-PG offense. It killed JWill. Shaved 3 assists off of Bibby. Again, neither Rondo, Rubio, nor Reke is suited for that if that's what we are aiming for.

3) Injuries. Not only the ankles, but Reke has now had repeated arthoscopic knee procedures. We think of him as just Reke, the kid we drafted, but he's got 7 years on those knees now, and was always prone to getting banged up. A healthy Reke could really add some spice and fill a lot of holes. And he played in 72 and 79 games in his first two New Orleans seasons, its not like he's been in steady decline. Those would obviously be great game totals for us. But he was having problems at the end of 2014-15 by the time the playoffs rolled around, and last year only played 25 games. I like the idea, think its all kinds of interesting with the long athletic build we are going for, but he's got to be on court to help.

4) Relationship with Cuz. There was some talk back when we let him go that it was because he and Cuz didn't get along. I never really bought into that. Sounded like too pat an excuse for a ****up. But it would be nice to know there wasn't any real bad blood there that winning wouldn't fix.
 
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Nets just inked a sheet with Crabbe for 4 yrs at about $18.5M. That on top of the Tyler Johnson poison pill contract for 2 guards who have not been starters yet. Ballsy moves by new GM Sean Marks.....or dumb moves.
He's having to deal with the previous regime trading away the team's future draft picks. So taking risks on these young players breaking out is really his only option.

They owe a pick swap in 2017, so it's safe to say they'll end up with the Celtics which could be a late first round pick. Then they send 2018 to them. So they only start to own their future in 2019 with their first round picks, so they might as well take a risk and see what happens.
 
Tyreke is ball dominant in his own way. I've repeatedly pointed out that Rondo's alleged ball hoggery is Steve Nash ball hoggery. Yeah, he has the ball all the time, because HE'S TRYING TO SET UP TEAMMATES. That's how all the pure points work.

Reke does it different. People who didn't watch much Pelicans ball before Gentry came and ****ed things up would not have watched it, but Reke too of course likes to have that ball, set up up top, and burn seconds trying to rock his man into a mistake. The difference in New Orleans was that they were using him in high pick and rolls, and his rushes to the hoop were opening up tons of opportunities for A.D. on the other side of the key. Scylla and Charybdis. Like what Chris Paul and DeAndre Jordan do, only A.D. is obviously a lot more talented than Jordan.

Gentry came in, preaching, dum dum dum... (or more like dumb dumb dumb) a "ball movement offense", wants Reke to quickly swing the ball rather than sit on it, and even before the injuries, Reke was struggling again. That's not his thing. Reke needs to dominate the ball (frankly like basically every great offensive perimeter player). But if you let him you get both his own rushes, and you get a lot of drive and drop and drive and dish assists.

As for a fit here...besides liking Reke, I think his length and versatility might really be an asset again. Not only a long PG with creative attacking ability to take some pressure off Cuz, but with the size to play next to Collison at SG, and even to provide us with some smallball SF looks, which is nice given we'd be putatively trading away Rudy to get him. Lot of versatility, patching a lot of potential holes.

Concerns would be:

1) how serious is Joerger about his own "ball movement offense". Because that isn't Reke, its not Rubio, its not Rondo. Coaches always seem to like to preach that stuff, but if you have a player who can create offense without it, a smart coach backs off and lets the player be themselves. Is that Joerger? No idea.

2) pseudo-Princeton? There have been some hints, both as the coach of Marc Gasol as a high post center, and in remarks about WCS initiating some offense up high, + the ongoing suspicion about any team helmed by Vlade, that we might be having some thoughts of running some pseudo-Princeton offense with Cuz and WCS. If that's true, then the Princeton is almost as bad as the triangle for ball dominant guards. Its an anti-PG offense. It killed JWill. Shaved 3 assists off of Bibby. Again, neither Rondo, Rubio, nor Reke is suited for that if that's what we are aiming for.

3) Injuries. Not only the ankles, but Reke has now had repeated arthoscopic knee procedures. We think of him as just Reke, the kid we drafted, but he's got 7 years on those knees now, and was always prone to getting banged up. A healthy Reke could really add some spice and fill a lot of holes. And he played in 72 and 79 games in his first two New Orleans seasons, its not like he's been in steady decline. Those would obviously be great game totals for us. But he was having problems at the end of 2014-15 by the time the playoffs rolled around, and last year only played 25 games. I like the idea, think its all kinds of interesting with the long athletic build we are going for, but he's got to be on court to help.

4) Relationship with Cuz. There was some talk back when we let him go that it was because he and Cuz didn't get along. I never really bought into that. Sounded like too pat an excuse for a ****up. But it would be nice to know there wasn't any real bad blood there that winning wouldn't fix.
Summed it up perfectly.

Joerger has proven that he is adaptable to his personel and I am sure that if he did have Tyreke, he would play to his strengths and not to the system. He is the omly coach since Frank Vogel that got production out of Lance who is a similar player to Tyreke.

On your last paragraph, I would not be too quick to buy what PDA and Mullin were selling. It could be true but I find it interesting that we heard exactly the same things about DeMarcus and Isaiah only for time to show that is not the case. They are very good friend. Spent some time together during the all-star weekend and he even had IT's son come into our locke room when we played them. Countless twitter exchanges where IT and Boogie has just being friends. Could be a public show but we both know that is not Boogie. He doesn't do fake!
 
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KingsFan80

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Alan Crabbe:
2016-17 $18.5mil
2017-18 $18.5mil
2018-19 $18.5mil
2019-20 $18.5mil

Demarcus Cousins:
2016-17 $15.765mil
2017-18 $16.784mil
My last post on this subject...I would have done it. A Young SG is going to make that much from here on out. It was a much needed position for us and he is solid and can shoot. I would much rather have him than Tolliver, Barnes and Temple combined. The high salaries are just new for us. In two years Cousins will probably make $30-$35 mil a season. The thought that David West is making $1.5 mil a year and we are paying Tolliver $8 Mil gives me a headache.
 
My last post on this subject...I would have done it. A Young SG is going to make that much from here on out. It was a much needed position for us and he is solid and can shoot. I would much rather have him than Tolliver, Barnes and Temple combined. The high salaries are just new for us. In two years Cousins will probably make $30-$35 mil a season. The thought that David West is making $1.5 mil a year and we are paying Tolliver $8 Mil gives me a headache.
lol, Kings would have to pay at least $15m for the corpse of David West.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
My last post on this subject...I would have done it. A Young SG is going to make that much from here on out. It was a much needed position for us and he is solid and can shoot. I would much rather have him than Tolliver, Barnes and Temple combined. The high salaries are just new for us. In two years Cousins will probably make $30-$35 mil a season. The thought that David West is making $1.5 mil a year and we are paying Tolliver $8 Mil gives me a headache.
Entirely different players at different points in their careers with different goals and different roles to fill on their respective teams. Ketchup and vasoline both being things you can put in your mouth doesn't make them comparable.