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Because they have three ball dominant guards who don't compliment each other well at all, none of whom is a great outside shooter while playing for a coach whose offensive system none of them really fit.

They won't be one of the worst teams in the league but they will be a mish-mash with apparently no plan for the future. It's a fantasy basketball roster, not a well constructed team.
so you're saying they will be a playoff team in the east :p
 
Because they have three ball dominant guards who don't compliment each other well at all, none of whom is a great outside shooter while playing for a coach whose offensive system none of them really fit.

Wade turns 35 in January by the way.

They won't be one of the worst teams in the league but they will be a mish-mash with apparently no plan for the future. It's a fantasy basketball roster, not a well constructed team.

I just have no idea what the Bulls are doing and I'm not sure they know either. Considering their current decision making maybe we could convince them they need a SF instead of two SGs and send Rudy their way. They can send Butler and Calderon to the Wolves and we'll take Kris Dunn. No competent front office would even consider that but I'm not sure they're competent.
The Bulls had every intention and rightfully so to unload Rose....who was 2-3X worse than Rondo....so they upgraded there...then they brought home the prodigal son who is accustomed to playing with a ball dominant teammate. Wade sharing the ball is not a problem. He likes to pick and choose his spots and defer to lessen his work load until playoffs and winning time rolls around. Butler is in his prime and both Rondo and Wade will be glad to allow him be the #1 option on offense. McDermott and Mirotic are shooters that Rondo did not have with SAC, unless you want to compare Omri to those guys. I disagree with your assessment. Getting rid of Rose was addition by subtraction, Rondo was an upgrade and Wade is one of the fiercest competitors in the NBA.
 
CHI wants to deal Calderon, and now the Heat have a huge hole at SG, both teams looks like good trade partners. Still would want Reke back though or just keep Rudy.
 

funkykingston

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The Bulls had every intention and rightfully so to unload Rose....who was 2-3X worse than Rondo....so they upgraded there...then they brought home the prodigal son who is accustomed to playing with a ball dominant teammate. Wade sharing the ball is not a problem. He likes to pick and choose his spots and defer to lessen his work load until playoffs and winning time rolls around. Butler is in his prime and both Rondo and Wade will be glad to allow him be the #1 option on offense. McDermott and Mirotic are shooters that Rondo did not have with SAC, unless you want to compare Omri to those guys. I disagree with your assessment. Getting rid of Rose was addition by subtraction, Rondo was an upgrade and Wade is one of the fiercest competitors in the NBA.
Trading Rose was a difficult call and most Bulls fans understood it even if they hated seeing him go. But replacing him with Rondo? Well, that makes zero sense either from what Jimmy Butler wanted (to handle the ball and initiate the offense more) or from what Hoiberg wants (a motion offense). It's a poor fit IMO.



And while Wade is still a good player, he doesn't space the floor for Butler (neither does Rondo) and he pushed Butler out of the SG spot where he almost always has a physical advantage and into the SF spot where sometimes he won't.

So I think this is a poorly assembled team and less than the sum of its parts because of it. But you don't have to take my word for it. Check out what Bulls fans think about these two signings.
 

funkykingston

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I wish we could have traded for Calderon to get their hands off our pick for next year. Would have been a decent move and got a backup for Collison
I doubt the Bulls would give up a potential late lottery pick in a salary dump when they could likely GET a future 2nd from somebody for Calderon. And the other downside to your plan is that the Kings would then have Jose Calderon.
 
As far as Chicago goes, not sure if the move for Wade was worth it. As I said in another post, I'm an Iowa State fan and watched "Hoiball" for years. His system was to get players that were very skilled offensively even if they were crap on defense. Iowa State had teams that weren't great shooting teams that were still very good (ISU best team wasn't a great 3-pt shooting team compared to prior teams).

I'm not sure what they are doing. Rondo-Wade-Butler aren't going to scare teams offensively with their spacing which is how Hoiberg was such a great college coach (I haven't watched a lot of Bulls games but apparently they try to play similar even though their offense was very bad the past season). It's not like they have a lot of great shooting either, McDermott is probably their best shooter.

Just seems like the FO and coach aren't getting the players that would fit each other the best.

Brings me to my main point, this would be a decent destination for McLemore. A young guy that can learn from Wade while adding something of a threat from 3 (I know he's not a great shooter but their roster has 0 shooting threat). A McLemore trade would make sense
 
I doubt the Bulls would give up a potential late lottery pick in a salary dump when they could likely GET a future 2nd from somebody for Calderon. And the other downside to your plan is that the Kings would then have Jose Calderon.
Would have been worth it to call and see (impossible now I guess with our cap situation) though I agree. I'm not a Calderon fan but he would only be on the team for a year then he's an UFA.
 
As far as Chicago goes, not sure if the move for Wade was worth it. As I said in another post, I'm an Iowa State fan and watched "Hoiball" for years. His system was to get players that were very skilled offensively even if they were crap on defense. Iowa State had teams that weren't great shooting teams that were still very good (ISU best team wasn't a great 3-pt shooting team compared to prior teams).

I'm not sure what they are doing. Rondo-Wade-Butler aren't going to scare teams offensively with their spacing which is how Hoiberg was such a great college coach (I haven't watched a lot of Bulls games but apparently they try to play similar even though their offense was very bad the past season). It's not like they have a lot of great shooting either, McDermott is probably their best shooter.

Just seems like the FO and coach aren't getting the players that would fit each other the best.

Brings me to my main point, this would be a decent destination for McLemore. A young guy that can learn from Wade while adding something of a threat from 3 (I know he's not a great shooter but their roster has 0 shooting threat). A McLemore trade would make sense
For some reason, Chicago doesn't want to do the inevitable and go into full rebuild mode. I thought they were off to a good start with the Rose trade and then they sign Rondo and are close to signing Flash, makes you question what exactly it is they are trying to do. I guess treadmill for the win?
 
Would Miami want Rudy? I can't see Chicago wanting to take on any salary now considering they need to clear salary to sign Wade.
Considering they lost Deng in free agency, that leaves a spot open at SF spot. Too bad they don't have many assets to give up other than Dragic, who just signed a massive contract last summer.
 

Bricklayer

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Rondo, Wade & Butler?

I have a feeling Chicago is going to be awful.
Quite the opposite. But they are going to be awkward with too many guys wanting to handle. A bit like the Heatles of course. But Wade, who the Bulls wanted to get years ago, should be a key guy to get the other two fully focused. There's a mutual respect there.
 

Bricklayer

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Considering they lost Deng in free agency, that leaves a spot open at SF spot. Too bad they don't have many assets to give up other than Dragic, who just signed a massive contract last summer.
I don't know what we are thinking, but both Miami and New Orleans do seem primed for the sort of trade and personnel that we have available.

Should note though that Dragic would probably be able to be more effective for Miami without having to share the ball with Wade.
 

funkykingston

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Quite the opposite. But they are going to be awkward with too many guys wanting to handle. A bit like the Heatles of course. But Wade, who the Bulls wanted to get years ago, should be a key guy to get the other two fully focused. There's a mutual respect there.
I don't mean awful record wise, though that's still a possibility too. Awful in terms of mismatched talent that is simultaneously a poor match for their coach's style. Signing Wade isn't a bad move in a vacuum and I could defend it. But signing Rondo AND Wade just smacks of not having a plan at all. It's shortsighted and D'Alessandro-like.
 
Trading Rose was a difficult call and most Bulls fans understood it even if they hated seeing him go. But replacing him with Rondo? Well, that makes zero sense either from what Jimmy Butler wanted (to handle the ball and initiate the offense more) or from what Hoiberg wants (a motion offense). It's a poor fit IMO.



And while Wade is still a good player, he doesn't space the floor for Butler (neither does Rondo) and he pushed Butler out of the SG spot where he almost always has a physical advantage and into the SF spot where sometimes he won't.

So I think this is a poorly assembled team and less than the sum of its parts because of it. But you don't have to take my word for it. Check out what Bulls fans think about these two signings.
We'll see. I don't place a lot of credibility in consensus opinion. It is usually wrong. Bulls fans are reacting emotionally to Wade and Rondo, who they associate with the Heat and Celtics, two of the Bulls biggest rivals. The emotional visceral reaction comes first then the logical rationalization comes thereafter. Human beings are very predictable lol. Rondo has a reputation as a guy who can't shoot but he actually made his perimeter jumper last year, which probably had a lot to do with getting a $30 M deal, albeit partially guaranteed. So if the ball does leave his hands with Butler initiating the offense occasionally, that is NOT a bad thing. The Kings could have benefitted from more diversification to their offensive sets if they had a point forward to run the offense instead of Rondo all the time.

And it Fred Hoiberg's responsibility to adjust his strategy to his personnel. It is false conclusion to presume because Player A, B and C do not fit his track record, the team is doomed to fail. It is his responsibility as a coach to tailor his system to get the most out of his players. I actually think those guys will be fun to watch. Wade is a consummate pro who I have always admired, and I cannot help but root for Rondo after his stint here.
 
Rondo, Wade & Butler?

I have a feeling Chicago is going to be awful.
Same.. You cannot have two guards like that and think there will be a lot of ball movement. I have a feeling Rondo will go back to Dallas Maverick type stats (if not lower). I can't see that team being successful until one of those three alpha males takes the reigns and the other two follow.
 

Entity

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I don't know what we are thinking, but both Miami and New Orleans do seem primed for the sort of trade and personnel that we have available.

Should note though that Dragic would probably be able to be more effective for Miami without having to share the ball with Wade.
I can work out so many scenarios with New Orleans, Boston, and Phoenix
 
For some reason, Chicago doesn't want to do the inevitable and go into full rebuild mode. I thought they were off to a good start with the Rose trade and then they sign Rondo and are close to signing Flash, makes you question what exactly it is they are trying to do. I guess treadmill for the win?
Honestly it looks like their FO doesn't have a plan, just signing vets that don't match what the coach wants to do. Bulls should build around Butler and rebuild. They have a couple young guys in McDermott and Portis that they could build around. Seems like they threw a team together just to get ousted in the second round next year.
 
I don't know what we are thinking, but both Miami and New Orleans do seem primed for the sort of trade and personnel that we have available.

Should note though that Dragic would probably be able to be more effective for Miami without having to share the ball with Wade.
Wasn't Rudy also spotted in Miami at the game during the play-offs?

Not sure if they are a good trade partner for us as I doubt they are getting rid off Dragic or Winslow and those are the two guys we would want in return.