Kings interview Del Negro, Jackson and Mitchell for Head Coach position (Yahoo News)
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Vogel (like McHale) is a guy I would envision working well with this season's roster. I'd imagine he'd be comfortable putting the ball in Rondo's hands. I don't think Vogel is offensively limited so much as he is focused more on the defensive end. Kind of the reverse of Adelman. Honestly I'd rather have Vogel than Thibs.
Blatt & Messina would likely mean not bringing Rondo back as neither of them run offenses that make use of a traditional high usage, play making PG.
I could make a case for either scenario (Rondo or no Rondo) but even though I personally lean towards not re-signing him, signing Vogel woukd put me back on board with bringing him back as he'd get whatever can be gotten out of Rondo on that end of the floor.
Of the guys still linked to the job my top three are also now Vogel, Messina & Blatt. After that probably Woodson, Del Negro and Turner.
Vogel makes a lot of sense for New York and I believe he grew up in NJ. But it's hard to read what Phil Jackson will do. I think he definitely wants a coach that's receptive to him being more directly involved, something Fisher apparently wasn't.
Blatt & Messina would likely mean not bringing Rondo back as neither of them run offenses that make use of a traditional high usage, play making PG.
I could make a case for either scenario (Rondo or no Rondo) but even though I personally lean towards not re-signing him, signing Vogel woukd put me back on board with bringing him back as he'd get whatever can be gotten out of Rondo on that end of the floor.
Of the guys still linked to the job my top three are also now Vogel, Messina & Blatt. After that probably Woodson, Del Negro and Turner.
Vogel makes a lot of sense for New York and I believe he grew up in NJ. But it's hard to read what Phil Jackson will do. I think he definitely wants a coach that's receptive to him being more directly involved, something Fisher apparently wasn't.
while new york is no doubt an attractive destination for vogel, i'm not sure that he would be terribly receptive to phil's increased involvement on the coaching side of things, especially after the "paul george at the 4" fiasco and larry bird's insistence on increased scoring. like a lot of head coaches right now, i imagine vogel is going for to be looking for some measure of autonomy on the court after experiencing a lack of congruence with management...
Could our roster be a deciding factor in luring Vogel? We arguably have one of the strongest benches(top 15)in the NBA Collison/Belinelli/Casspi/Kofus.
Our biggest hole is at PG next season. However, we have one of the best big man in the game and a top 15 SF in Rudy. I think McLemore would improve tremendously under Vogel. Look at what he did with George, Stephenson, and Solomon Hill. All of these guys were raw athletic wings. If he can help McLemore improve, our SG position wouldn't be a problem anymore.
This would allow us to use our draft pick for a PG or go after a PG in FA.
Our roster age is fairly average. Most of the players are in their prime compared to Houston. Most of the guys on their team declined horribly last season...Ariza and Brewer.
Our biggest hole is at PG next season. However, we have one of the best big man in the game and a top 15 SF in Rudy. I think McLemore would improve tremendously under Vogel. Look at what he did with George, Stephenson, and Solomon Hill. All of these guys were raw athletic wings. If he can help McLemore improve, our SG position wouldn't be a problem anymore.
This would allow us to use our draft pick for a PG or go after a PG in FA.
Our roster age is fairly average. Most of the players are in their prime compared to Houston. Most of the guys on their team declined horribly last season...Ariza and Brewer.
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@Ochomole that would be a great get for the @SacramentoKings !
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Hey @ScotPollard31 could you kindly nudge Vogel to Sacramento? Ok? Thanks. Maybe we can get Brad Miller to help too.
@Ochomole that would be a great get for the @SacramentoKings !
Man, how stupid is Indiana? This feels very similar to us firing Adelman 10 years ago. All Vogel has done is get the most out of his teams, build elite (with Hibbs, Lance and West) to very good defensive teams with average personal the last few years. Dude is a players coach and gets his clubs to buy in to his system 100%.
If we truly want to turn this ship around, Vogel is how we do it. Elite, young coaches aren't available pretty much ever.
If we truly want to turn this ship around, Vogel is how we do it. Elite, young coaches aren't available pretty much ever.
Strengths: defense
Weaknesses: Offense
Well maybe. That would be Bird's story at least. At the least Vogel prioitizes defense first, and tries to score enough to beat you after they've strangled you, rather than trying to score every posssession and then try to slow you down often enough to beat you. By far the biggest red flag for Vogel looking at us would likely not be Vlade, not Cuz, but rather a twitchy casual fan owner, fascinated as most casual fans are with pretty running and gunning. And then there is what happened to Malone, who largely has a similar focus, just less accomplished at this point.
Weaknesses: Offense
Well maybe. That would be Bird's story at least. At the least Vogel prioitizes defense first, and tries to score enough to beat you after they've strangled you, rather than trying to score every posssession and then try to slow you down often enough to beat you. By far the biggest red flag for Vogel looking at us would likely not be Vlade, not Cuz, but rather a twitchy casual fan owner, fascinated as most casual fans are with pretty running and gunning. And then there is what happened to Malone, who largely has a similar focus, just less accomplished at this point.
what is with you, exactly? why must you reduce every valid point about a future coach's ability to mesh with cousins into a referendum against hiring such a coach in the first place? your particular brand of cousins-bashing is in a galaxy beyond disingenuous. finding a coach who is likely to mesh well with cousins' personality and talent-level is hardly the same thing as acquiring "the biggest suck-up to cousins you can find."
when the kings hired mike malone, a young, defense-first head coach who understood how to connect with a superstar of cousins' disposition, did you consider that "sucking up to cousins" simply because malone stated his desire to forge a strong partnership with the kings' superstar center? if the kings successfully managed to hire frank vogel, another young, defense-first head coach who could conceivably forge a strong partnership with the kings' superstar center, would you consider that "sucking up to cousins"?
hell, what coach on the market could the kings even hire that would constitute this "sucking up to cousins" that you're so convinced is occurring within the kings' organization?
when the kings hired mike malone, a young, defense-first head coach who understood how to connect with a superstar of cousins' disposition, did you consider that "sucking up to cousins" simply because malone stated his desire to forge a strong partnership with the kings' superstar center? if the kings successfully managed to hire frank vogel, another young, defense-first head coach who could conceivably forge a strong partnership with the kings' superstar center, would you consider that "sucking up to cousins"?
hell, what coach on the market could the kings even hire that would constitute this "sucking up to cousins" that you're so convinced is occurring within the kings' organization?
Let's not forget, as much talk as there is about Vivek and "jazz" and wanting to be more the the Warriors, VIVEK was the one who originally hired Malone, and from what it sounds like, it was good ol Pete D that convinced Vivek to fire Malone and then later hire GK. Hopefully, deep down, buried beneath jazz and 3 pt fantasies, there is a little man that loves good defense, and will hop on the Vogel bandwagon along with the fans!