Under the radar players worth a look

[twslam07]

If someone is willing to give Crabbe that kind of money, it better not be us.

That's 14-15 mil a year for a guy averaging 10 ppg coming off the bench. NO THANKS, if that's the case.

I find it hard to believe anyone would throw more than 8-9 mil a year for him at this point in his career.

8-9 mil under the current cap? Yes. 8-9 mil under the new cap? No.

Crabbe is seen as a future 3 and D SG with great size, length, & athleticism. And on top of that, he has shown the ability to play with the ball in his hands. Tack on his age, that he's a RFA, and that everyone will have cap space in the offseason, and you're realistically looking at around $12-$14 mil.

 

[Gilles]

Thing is mobility is almost nothing without strength, because then you barely use your perceived athleticism defensively, rebounding or hustling. There is some value in having mobility to get to spots in time, but if people still go through you anyway, your impact is very limited, so Crabbe shouldn't be considered.

 

[randymoss1881]

How about Eric Gordon...

He's under the reader cause of injuries if we can offer him like 3year 33mill and a starting gig not many teams would match the money and make him a starter. Maybe teams like Memphis, Brooklyn, and Atlanta.

He'd fit by providing elite shooting as well as being a good defender. We should limit his mpg to 30 an get 60-70 games.

If we can go into next year with starting wings Collison/Gordon/ Salomon Hill we would have very good perimeter defense and very good spacing.

 

[KingMilz]

How about Eric Gordon...

He's under the reader cause of injuries if we can offer him like 3year 33mill and a starting gig not many teams would match the money and make him a starter. Maybe teams like Memphis, Brooklyn, and Atlanta.

He'd fit by providing elite shooting as well as being a good defender. We should limit his mpg to 30 an get 60-70 games.

If we can go into next year with starting wings Collison/Gordon/ Salomon Hill we would have very good perimeter defense and very good spacing.

For that price I would do it injury history or not 11 mil per season for 3 years is very reasonable risk/reward.

 

[KingMilz]

If the Mavs fail to get Dwight in the off season I would offer them Koufos/Mclemore for Justin Anderson/filler who is lacking in IQ but is a physical beast, not afraid and makes thing's happened out there with his energy and crazy athletic ability.

 

[KingsFanGER]

How about Eric Gordon...

He's under the reader cause of injuries if we can offer him like 3year 33mill and a starting gig not many teams would match the money and make him a starter. Maybe teams like Memphis, Brooklyn, and Atlanta.

He'd fit by providing elite shooting as well as being a good defender. We should limit his mpg to 30 an get 60-70 games.

If we can go into next year with starting wings Collison/Gordon/ Salomon Hill we would have very good perimeter defense and very good spacing.

I didn't watch a lot of Pelicans basketball this year. Is Gordon really a good defender despite his injuries?

 

[bajaden]

Thing is mobility is almost nothing without strength, because then you barely use your perceived athleticism defensively, rebounding or hustling. There is some value in having mobility to get to spots in time, but if people still go through you anyway, your impact is very limited, so Crabbe shouldn't be considered.

The only thing I might add is that sometimes its hard to tell how strong a player or a person is by just looking at him. Garnett has always looked rail thin, but has a very strong lower body. Some of these guys are wiry strong. And of course there are the skinny guys that are what they look like. By the same token, I've known some big guys that looked strong, but wern't. I can't speak to Crabbe.

 

[lawlman91]

Our 4s should either:

- Be quick enough to guard stretch 4s

OR

- Be able to post up a smaller stretch 4

It would be amazing to have both, but either advantage would give us a small contribution at the 4 spot.

 

[twslam07]

Thing is mobility is almost nothing without strength, because then you barely use your perceived athleticism defensively, rebounding or hustling. There is some value in having mobility to get to spots in time, but if people still go through you anyway, your impact is very limited, so Crabbe shouldn't be considered.

It seems to me like you're insinuating Crabbe isn't strong thus shouldn't be considered. That's like saying DeAndre Jordan can't shoot so no team should consider him. Everyone has weaknesses in their game. Will Crabbe have a tough time against stronger guards? Yes, but if you go out an sign a stronger SG who can handle those types of guards, he might not be able to handle quick guys. It seems very odd to hone in on this one thing and render him not worthy of consideration for our team. Is there some history between you two?

Besides, he's 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan & 8'8" standing reach. If someone is trying to go through him or back him down, they still have to go over or around his excellent length. Not to mention he is listed at 215 lbs which is a pretty good weight for a SG, and considering how athletic he is & that he had a 4.7% body fat coming out of college, it's hard to imagine he's all skin and bones with minimal muscle.

 

[206Fan]

I didn't watch a lot of Pelicans basketball this year. Is Gordon really a good defender despite his injuries?

I haven't watched a lot either. However from the games I've watched, he looked really solid. Gordon's problem will always be his health. He'd be a great SG candidate if we decide to move on from Ben/Belinelli. However, Heath is always the main factor holding him back

 

[Gilles]

It seems to me like you're insinuating Crabbe isn't strong thus shouldn't be considered. That's like saying DeAndre Jordan can't shoot so no team should consider him. Everyone has weaknesses in their game. Will Crabbe have a tough time against stronger guards? Yes, but if you go out an sign a stronger SG who can handle those types of guards, he might not be able to handle quick guys. It seems very odd to hone in on this one thing and render him not worthy of consideration for our team. Is there some history between you two?

Besides, he's 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan & 8'8" standing reach. If someone is trying to go through him or back him down, they still have to go over or around his excellent length. Not to mention he is listed at 215 lbs which is a pretty good weight for a SG, and considering how athletic he is & that he had a 4.7% body fat coming out of college, it's hard to imagine he's all skin and bones with minimal muscle.

Well, rebounding is usually the first clue, and Crabbe is in Lillard/McCollum territory, i.e. he would be ok for a PG. Team defense doesn't worsen with him on the bench, even though it means that both Lillard/McCollum are on the floor. Crabbe is an excellent shooter, but positive defender he is not.

 

[dude12]

Crabbe would be a solid get for us and upgrade our SG position even if he can't play good defense.

 

[twslam07]

Well, rebounding is usually the first clue, and Crabbe is in Lillard/McCollum territory, i.e. he would be ok for a PG. Team defense doesn't worsen with him on the bench, even though it means that both Lillard/McCollum are on the floor. Crabbe is an excellent shooter, but positive defender he is not.

No argument there. He is a weak rebounder for his position, but I still wouldn't call him physically weak for a SG. In fact, he played the majority of his minutes this year at SF.

Now knowing that he played the majority of his minutes at SF, that means his on/off numbers are factoring more of a Harkless/Aminu for Crabbe swap on the defensive end which isn't going to be favorable for the majority of the league. This is why stats relative to personnel can be tricky at times. For instance, if the blazers decided to sign Steve Nash out of nowhere and stick him in there as the backup PG to Lillard, Lillard's on/off defensive numbers are going to show that he's a good defender whereas if you have Tony Allen coming off the bench for Crabbe, it's going to show that Crabbe is a bad defender in this metric. this metric should be used to benchmark against other teammates within a position. However, it gets a little unclear when you have versatile players like Crabbe who log minutes across more than 1 position.

Crabbe's defense does pass the eye test from a standpoint that his ability to stay in front of his man. As he continues to develop and get older, his awareness/team defense should only improve, but right now he's ahead of all guards on these defensive metrics: DRTG & DBPM. And he's 3rd best on his team at limiting his opponents FG% behind Davis & Vonleh. I don't think it's fair to make that insinuation.

 

[KingMilz]

Evan Turner as our 6th man would be great as well imo he does it all and is actually a very decent defender, him and Collison can play together and the fact Evan can fill in @PG/SG/SF I would take him over Rondo any day right now. If we could sign Fournier as the starter SG, Evan as a back up whatever is needed I mean Collison/Fournier/Turner is very decent. I'd still look to move Rudy for a 3 and D guy or a legit stretch 4 and start Turner @ SF.

 

[bajaden]

I haven't watched a lot either. However from the games I've watched, he looked really solid. Gordon's problem will always be his health. He'd be a great SG candidate if we decide to move on from Ben/Belinelli. However, Heath is always the main factor holding him back

My problem with Gordon, and it's not a shock to anyone, is injuries. In eight sesaons in the NBA he has played in a total of 417 games out of a possible 656. In short he has missed the equivalent of just slightly under three seasons. The odd's of having him play in at least 60 games is not good. And you'd be paying him 11 mil to do it. Too risky for me. It's not about his ability, it's totally about staying on the floor.

 

[SacKings384]

My problem with Gordon, and it's not a shock to anyone, is injuries. In eight sesaons in the NBA he has played in a total of 417 games out of a possible 656. In short he has missed the equivalent of just slightly under three seasons. The odd's of having him play in at least 60 games is not good. And you'd be paying him 11 mil to do it. Too risky for me. It's not about his ability, it's totally about staying on the floor.

I want no part of Gordon unless it's for like $5 mill a season which isn't going to happen. The guy has been paid more on average (per game) than LeBron James has.

 

[ockingsfan]

Now that Joerger is our coach, I can see the Kings going after a player that played well for him, once he was acquired by Memphis at the trade deadline:

Lance Stephenson.

Geoff Calkins: Does Joerger want to coach Lance going forward? “Absolutely.”

2 weeks ago – via Twitter geoff_calkins


He had a career resurgence in the second half of this season and the playoffs for coach Joerger. I am sure Memphis will decline his team option, making him an unrestricted free agent.

If Vlade and Joerger can get him on a cheap, "prove it" contract of say 2 or 3 million a year contract, he can prove to be a viable 3 and D shooting guard, like he was in Indiana.

 

[randymoss1881]

Now that Joerger is our coach, I can see the Kings going after a player that played well for him, once he was acquired by Memphis at the trade deadline:

Lance Stephenson.

Geoff Calkins: Does Joerger want to coach Lance going forward? “Absolutely.”

2 weeks ago – via Twitter geoff_calkins


He had a career resurgence in the second half of this season and the playoffs for coach Joerger. I am sure Memphis will decline his team option, making him an unrestricted free agent.

If Vlade and Joerger can get him on a cheap, "prove it" contract of say 2 or 3 million a year contract, he can prove to be a viable 3 and D shooting guard, like he was in Indiana.

Only way is if rondo is gone

 

[KingMilz]

Wilson Chandler has been RAVAGED by injury but man do I love his game I'm wondering if there is any 3 way deals we could do to land him, huge risk cause of his recent injury history similar situation to Eric Gordon.

 

[KingMilz]

Now that Joerger is our coach, I can see the Kings going after a player that played well for him, once he was acquired by Memphis at the trade deadline:

Lance Stephenson.

Geoff Calkins: Does Joerger want to coach Lance going forward? “Absolutely.”

2 weeks ago – via Twitter geoff_calkins


He had a career resurgence in the second half of this season and the playoffs for coach Joerger. I am sure Memphis will decline his team option, making him an unrestricted free agent.

If Vlade and Joerger can get him on a cheap, "prove it" contract of say 2 or 3 million a year contract, he can prove to be a viable 3 and D shooting guard, like he was in Indiana.

Lance Stephenson is not going to be making Quincy Acy/Seth Curry money he will at least get 6-7+ million per year based on his past and the fact despite being a massive idiot his talent at a position with a lack of it makes him worth much more.

 

[ParniValjak]

I get the feeling that Vlade will have interest in Mirza Teletovic as a reasonably priced free agent.

 

[swisshh]

I like Trevor Booker as a bench guy. Energy, athleticism and can hit outside shots.

My concern with Crabbe is that his numbers may be a bit inflated from the system Stotts run and I'm unsure how he'd look outside of that system.

 

[ParniValjak]

Now that Joerger is our coach, I can see the Kings going after a player that played well for him, once he was acquired by Memphis at the trade deadline:

Lance Stephenson.

Geoff Calkins: Does Joerger want to coach Lance going forward? “Absolutely.”

2 weeks ago – via Twitter geoff_calkins


He had a career resurgence in the second half of this season and the playoffs for coach Joerger. I am sure Memphis will decline his team option, making him an unrestricted free agent.

If Vlade and Joerger can get him on a cheap, "prove it" contract of say 2 or 3 million a year contract, he can prove to be a viable 3 and D shooting guard, like he was in Indiana.

I tend to agree but it all sort of depends on what we do with Rondo. If we bring Rondo back then I think we will look for a different SG the one that is more of a 3 and D guy (e.g. Lee or Bazemore.

If we decide to go with Collison at PG then the SG will need to be more of a ball handler and creator so I would not be surprised in the slightest if we show interest in Stephenson. At his best (i.e. his Indiana years and his 2nd half of the season in Memphis) he is a pretty good basketball player yet to reach his prime. Lance appears to have clicked with Joerger and it's imperative that we have a strong culture in place if we do bring him in.

I miss the days where we didn't have to worry about the player's reputation because we had Adelman running the show and no matter how much of a trouble maker we brought in, he played his ass off and more often than not, left Sacramento as a reformed man. I get the sense we just might be on that path again.

Given how Lance has played for Joerger in Memphis, I think we could do a lost worse at SG than Lance Stephenson.

 

[KingsFanGER]

Now that Joerger is our coach, I can see the Kings going after a player that played well for him, once he was acquired by Memphis at the trade deadline:

Lance Stephenson.

Geoff Calkins: Does Joerger want to coach Lance going forward? “Absolutely.”

2 weeks ago – via Twitter geoff_calkins


He had a career resurgence in the second half of this season and the playoffs for coach Joerger. I am sure Memphis will decline his team option, making him an unrestricted free agent.

If Vlade and Joerger can get him on a cheap, "prove it" contract of say 2 or 3 million a year contract, he can prove to be a viable 3 and D shooting guard, like he was in Indiana.

3&D? More like long 2 off the crazy dribbling move&D shooting guard

 

[Noble]

Lance Stephenson, Jerebko, resigning Casspi long term, retaining Seth Curry, and drafting well again, are so far what I'm wanting. I would have my starting five as Collison, Stephenson, Gay, Cauley-Stein, and Cousins. We would have a little bit of everything with that lineup- three scorers in Collison/Gay/Cousins with two solid defenders in Stephenson and WCS that can also scrap and score. Then have Seth Curry, McLemore, Casspi, Jerebko, Koufus as our bench that brings a whole different style to the court, transition, space the floor, slash and corner threes, seems like a solid unit even without Bellinelli or a draft pick! Still need to look more into the draft but like Jeorger said, it's not a full on rebuild there's a lot to work with.

 

[ockingsfan]

Gerald Henderson would be a nice pick up.

Give him a shot at starting at Shooting Guard and $7-8 mil a year on a 3 or 4 year contract and we would have a youngish, athletic wing for the starting line up.

He was also a solid started in Charlotte for years before being moved to Portland.

Henderson was buried in Portland and I expect Portland to concentrate on re-signing Crabbe, so Henderson would be looking for a new home. He is a solid, if not spectacular shooting guard.

 

[Gilles]

Lance Stephenson, Jerebko, resigning Casspi long term, retaining Seth Curry, and drafting well again, are so far what I'm wanting. I would have my starting five as Collison, Stephenson, Gay, Cauley-Stein, and Cousins. We would have a little bit of everything with that lineup- three scorers in Collison/Gay/Cousins with two solid defenders in Stephenson and WCS that can also scrap and score. Then have Seth Curry, McLemore, Casspi, Jerebko, Koufus as our bench that brings a whole different style to the court, transition, space the floor, slash and corner threes, seems like a solid unit even without Bellinelli or a draft pick! Still need to look more into the draft but like Jeorger said, it's not a full on rebuild there's a lot to work with.

Jerebko is on a non-guaranteed deal next season at $5M, which I'm pretty sure Boston will not waive.
Lance does not know how to be a role player as you seem to imply. He's much more likely to consider himself #2 option than fourth in that lineup.
No matter potential tension with roles spacing is even more likely problem.

 

[Mass]

If Omri is going to play at PF some of his minutes, I'd like to get Matt Barnes. He's old, but he's the kind of guy this team needs. And be played for DJ last year.

In case we let Rondo walk, I'm ok with Darren starting. I'd bring back Seth and I'd add another PG. I like Augustin a lot.

I like Jerebko a lot. He could be a better option than Ryan Anderson, considering how much less he would cost.

 

[ockingsfan]

If Omri is going to play at PF some of his minutes, I'd like to get Matt Barnes. He's old, but he's the kind of guy this team needs.

I'm not so sure you want a guy like Barnes on this team, not sure he is a good influence.

I thought we were trying to not have so much drama next year.

 

[bajaden]

If Omri is going to play at PF some of his minutes, I'd like to get Matt Barnes. He's old, but he's the kind of guy this team needs. And be played for DJ last year.

In case we let Rondo walk, I'm ok with Darren starting. I'd bring back Seth and I'd add another PG. I like Augustin a lot.

I like Jerebko a lot. He could be a better option than Ryan Anderson, considering how much less he would cost.

There is a reason of course why he'd be cheaper than Anderson.