Kings interview Del Negro, Jackson and Mitchell for Head Coach position (Yahoo News)

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McHale would be a great hire as well but he seems reluctant (understandably) and I don't want us to hire a coach who doesn't want to be here.
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People are putting way too much weight into one comment by Kevin McHale about not liking California. I do not think he would interview if he has no interest whatsoever in the position. And remember ... Chris Webber didn't want to be here at first either.

If McHale decides he wants to get back on the horse right away instead of sitting home and just collecting $$$, I think he absolutely has to consider a legitimate offer from Sacramento.
 
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People are putting way too much weight into one comment by Kevin McHale about not liking California. I do not think he would interview if he has no interest whatsoever in the position. And remember ... Chris Webber didn't want to be here at first either.

If McHale decides he wants to get back on the horse right away instead of sitting home and just collecting $$$, I think he absolutely has to consider a legitimate offer from Sacramento.
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The problem is that no one can confirm for sure if McHale interviewed or if it was a preliminary conversation. All the other candidates that are set to interview or have been interviewed there has been a report of the day when they interviewed or will interview. With McHale it's all hush hush!

I am in no way taking the whole "He doesn't like California" thing as reasoning behind it. In fact I am not convinced that those comments are legit either but there is obviously some reluctance there. Whether it's that he is not all that keen on the Kings or that he is in no rush to jump at any opportunity given that he will be getting paid by the Rockets for the next 2 seasons and on top still get his TNT salary and not put himself through the stress of coaching, especially the circus show that the Kings have been lately.

Not many of these other guys are still getting paid to do nothing! McHale is and that is a big difference here.
 
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But doesn't this fly in the face of conventional wisdom where the head coach selects his assistants?
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It does.

But this is Vlade. People continue to act like they have never met this personality before. Like they don't know his past, his influences, the gaggle of Golden Era voices talking with him. This is Vlade.

George Karl came from a traditional segmented hierarchy world where the segments were even competing. front office vs. coaches, coaches vs. main players. Karl was the chief of his coaching fiefdom. Cousins the chief of the lockerroom. Vlade the chief of the front office. The irritant above all.

This is however Vlade's time.

Remember that Vladfather mockup I made last summer? People need to study that. THAT is where Vlade is taking us. The Family. EVERYBODY in the family, from front office to coaches to players is going to be part of one organic unit with one goal. No agendas. no egos and conflicting approaches. Vlade is the anti-Vivek. Vlade is going to surround himself with and hire HIS people everywhere. And he's the Godather. Everybody is going to be on the same page and pulling the same direction. And that might be even more important in this search than resume or reputation. Vlade is going to find loyal soldiers that think of the franchise first. They will have the franchise's back, and he will have theirs. If their is a problem, it will be handled within the family. There will be family Christmas parties. If anybody ****s with a member of the family, there will be horse's heads. If anybody cannot play by those rules there will be naps with the fishes.

There is not going to be any of Ailene's childish fantasy of authoritarians coming in and whipping those disobedient children into shape. There will be no camps, no cliques within the family. Its going to be Petrie to Adelman to Coachie to Vlade and Webb and the rest all over again. And so Vlade is looking to hire his guys to make that happen, guys who will be part of the Family, willingly, rather than guys trying to use the family for their own agendas. Cousins isn't going to turn this around, neither is the coach. The Family is going to turn this around, and loyal lieutenants will abound. Any coach wanting to come in and demand that he is given complete autonomy and his own entire handpicked staff of loyalists is going to be suspect. Vlade's Family is going to think with one mind and move with one purpose. When decisions are made they will be made around a long table full of family while breaking bread, not dictated. Not every coaching candidate will be up for that,

 
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The search is an overkill but by taking longer other, very worthy candidates might becomes available for us (i.e. Vogel).

Even from the list of candidates that have interviewed or that we have approached for an interview, there are some very good coaches on that list. If Vogel becomes available he is my #1 choice. McHale would be a great hire as well but he seems reluctant (understandably) and I don't want us to hire a coach who doesn't want to be here. Blatt is intriguing but we just don't know what he is like in the NBA. I know in Europe he is much respected and loved by both players and fans. Even opposition fans who are notorious for hating on other teams coaches have a great deal of respect for Blatt. They all see him as a classy act. I think he is a very good coach but for me it's about the relationships with players, especially Cousins. Whoever the coach is just simply MUST click with Cousins and be on the same page as the front office. This has to be a home run for us hence the excessive list and some names on there are a head scratchers (Henry Bibby?! WTF?!?!).

Given the type of candidates out there, I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with some of these candidates on our coaching staff but not necessarily as head coaches. Some would make great assistants.
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In the eyes of the person hired as head coach, one or two of these could be seen as playing the Ty Corbin roll. I can make areal paranoid mess of this. :)
 
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The problem is that no one can confirm for sure if McHale interviewed or if it was a preliminary conversation. All the other candidates that are set to interview or have been interviewed there has been a report of the day when they interviewed or will interview. With McHale it's all hush hush!

I am in no way taking the whole "He doesn't like California" thing as reasoning behind it. In fact I am not convinced that those comments are legit either but there is obviously some reluctance there. Whether it's that he is not all that keen on the Kings or that he is in no rush to jump at any opportunity given that he will be getting paid by the Rockets for the next 2 seasons and on top still get his TNT salary and not put himself through the stress of coaching, especially the circus show that the Kings have been lately.

Not many of these other guys are still getting paid to do nothing! McHale is and that is a big difference here.
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I don't disagree with anything you've said. I could swear, however, that there was a confirmation that he had, in fact, participated in an interview...
 
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This is however Vlade's time.

Remember that Vladfather mockup I made last summer? People need to study that. THAT is where Vlade is taking us. The Family. EVERYBODY in the family, from front office to coaches to players is going to be part of one organic unit with one goal. No agendas. no egos and conflicting approaches. Vlade is the anti-Vivek. Vlade is going to surround himself with and hire HIS people everywhere. And he's the Godather. Everybody is going to be on the same page and pulling the same direction. And that might be even more important in this search than resume or reputation. Vlade is going to find loyal soldiers that think of the franchise first. They will have the franchise's back, and he will have theirs. If their is a problem, it will be handled within the family. There will be family Christmas parties. If anybody ****s with a member of the family, there will be horse's heads. If anybody cannot play by those rules there will be naps with the fishes.

There is not going to be any of Ailene's childish fantasy of authoritarians coming in and whipping those disobedient children into shape. There will be no camps, no cliques within the family. Its going to be Petrie to Adelman to Coachie to Vlade and Webb and the rest all over again. And so Vlade is looking to hire his guys to make that happen, guys who will be part of the Family, willingly, rather than guys trying to use the family for their own agendas. Cousins isn't going to turn this around, neither is the coach. The Family is going to turn this around, and loyal lieutenants will abound. Any coach wanting to come in and demand that he is given complete autonomy and his own entire handpicked staff of loyalists is going to be suspect. Vlade's Family is going to think with one mind and move with one purpose. When decisions are made they will be made around a long table full of family while breaking bread, not dictated. Not every coaching candidate will be up for that,

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In the eyes of the person hired as head coach, one or two of these could be seen as playing the Ty Corbin roll. I can make areal paranoid mess of this. :)
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Indeed. Blatt just got canned for lead assistant Lue, who had also been interviewed as part of the Cavs' original hiring process. Think he'd want to do the same here all over again?

There's a fine line between making sure everyone is on the same page and management meddling.
 
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Kings to interview Messina and James Borrego per Twitter. Anyone know anything about Borrego?
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Long time assistant who was the interim Magic coach after Jacque Vaughn was fired last season.

Spent a lot of time working his way up with the Spurs and all of his gigs have really come out of the Pop coaching tree.

Doesn't strike me as a guy ready to run a team though.
 
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Long time assistant who was the interim Magic coach after Jacque Vaughn was fired last season.

Spent a lot of time working his way up with the Spurs and all of his gigs have really come out of the Pop coaching tree.

Doesn't strike me as a guy ready to run a team though.
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Went to be Monty Williams' lead assistant in New Orleans, and Jacque Vaughn's lead assistant in Orlando. Wonder if we are envisioning a simlilar role here, perhaps with fellow Spur Messina at the helm?
 
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In the eyes of the person hired as head coach, one or two of these could be seen as playing the Ty Corbin roll. I can make areal paranoid mess of this. :)
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Those that are looking over their shoulders and that are jumping at shadows will feel this way. Those that have real belief in their ability to turn this thing around will not be too fussed. Just look at Clippers bench. If for some reason Doc Rivers couldn't coach for a period of time there is an embarrassment of riches on that bench when picking who would lead the team in his absence. Woodson, Frank etc...

I think Vlade will probably want something pretty similar for the Kings and if the head coach is insecure in that approach, they will simply not be hired.
 
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Long time assistant who was the interim Magic coach after Jacque Vaughn was fired last season.

Spent a lot of time working his way up with the Spurs and all of his gigs have really come out of the Pop coaching tree.

Doesn't strike me as a guy ready to run a team though.
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he is probably one of the younger assistant coaches out there too so that's always a plus. A guy that can stick around for a good while, doesn't necessarily have to be head coach material but he could be brought along for assistant coach.
 
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Those that are looking over their shoulders and that are jumping at shadows will feel this way. Those that have real belief in their ability to turn this thing around will not be too fussed. Just look at Clippers bench. If for some reason Doc Rivers couldn't coach for a period of time there is an embarrassment of riches on that bench when picking who would lead the team in his absence. Woodson, Frank etc...

I think Vlade will probably want something pretty similar for the Kings and if the head coach is insecure in that approach, they will simply not be hired.
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I like this way of thinking. It assumes the hiring and firing of Kings head coaches is logical, unfortunately. Why was Malone fired? All in all, I like your view.
 
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Those that are looking over their shoulders and that are jumping at shadows will feel this way. Those that have real belief in their ability to turn this thing around will not be too fussed. Just look at Clippers bench. If for some reason Doc Rivers couldn't coach for a period of time there is an embarrassment of riches on that bench when picking who would lead the team in his absence. Woodson, Frank etc...

I think Vlade will probably want something pretty similar for the Kings and if the head coach is insecure in that approach, they will simply not be hired.
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A lot smoother for the president of basketball ops to select a bench for his coach when they are the same person ;)
 
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I like this way of thinking. It assumes the hiring and firing of Kings head coaches is logical, unfortunately. Why was Malone fired? All in all, I like your view.
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Malone was fired because he was not on the same page as the front office. Their visions could not be further apart.

Bricklayer touches on this, but I think Vlade is looking to build a club that is working as a team, or as Brick labeled it as a family. That means the front office is on exactly the same page ans the coach. Same visions, same understanding. This will extend to the players as well. Watch us go after some glue guys this summer that will set the culture that the coach and the front office are planning on having.

The things about Vlade is that he knows what he is doing. It took him almost a year to get the right assistant GM. He picked the guy that was exactly what he was looking for. No hidden agendas, no power pull in wanting a big say in personnel etc...just the guy that will do what is expected of him. I am expecting a very similar approach to appointing a coaching panel.

Vlade wants to build a united front where everyone from the front office to the coaches to the players are on the same page. There is an expectation and a whole lost of selflessness in this approach so the best basketball coach might not be the right coach for this team. Vlade as a player united the team and was that link between the playing ground, coaching staff and the front office. He is not interested in politics an ulterior motives. He will pick his guy who will trust him and in the process the coaching staff that gets assembled will be as a result of everyone agreeing that this is the team that takes us forward.

This is not going to be a power struggle where PDA pushed for Rambis to be an assistant coach for Malone who really was being head hunted as the replacement for Malone. This will be the case of you are the coach and these are your assistants. No hidden agendas, no ulterior motives just what you see is what you get.
 
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I hope Vlade doesn't pick any assistants. I think this is purely up to the HC to decide. Why would we want tension among our coaching staff? If our HC wants go a certain direction, but Vlade's appointed assistant coach wanted to go another, is Vlade going to fire the HC 1/2 way into the season?

This just seems like a potential gigantic mess waiting to happen. What could possibly go wrong?

That's dysfunction. I want Vlade to choose his HC, and TRUST his HC to bring in his guys. We talk about unity and family. The last thing we'd want is our coaches not on the same page. We can avoid that all together by letting Blatt choose his guys.
 
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I hope Vlade doesn't pick any assistants. I think this is purely up to the HC to decide. Why would we want tension among our coaching staff? If our HC wants go a certain direction, but Vlade's appointed assistant coach wanted to go another, is Vlade going to fire the HC 1/2 way into the season?

This just seems like a potential gigantic mess waiting to happen. What could possibly go wrong?

That's dysfunction. I want Vlade to choose his HC, and TRUST his HC to bring in his guys. We talk about unity and family. The last thing we'd want is our coaches not on the same page. We can avoid that all together by letting Blatt choose his guys.
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That creates camps and power struggles.

The HC I am sure will pick some of his guys, and maybe if the head coach is a big enough fish he'll pick all of them. The assistant coach interviews may only be for guys with less leverage. But whoever it is is going to be picked for being a team player, not a solo star. "His guys" and "his philosophy" will have to be thoroughly vetted and agreed upon before the whole thing begins. No bad fits. No conflicts.
 
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Why do I get the feeling that Ettore Messina will be Vlade's pick?
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Scary name.

Would have to interview well. Either a reformed man, or a straight liar. If he's the liar, we'd be screwed sooner or later as his rep was always as a guy who wanted absolute power.
 
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Scary name.

Would have to interview well. Either a reformed man, or a straight liar. If he's the liar, we'd be screwed sooner or later as his rep was always as a guy who wanted absolute power.
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so in the grand scheme of things, he went to the Spurs to boost his name recognition under Pop so he can possibly land a head coaching role elsewhere because he is smart enough to know that the Pop coaching tree gets head coaching positions.
 
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