The not blaming Karl 100% thread.
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Without reading any of the previous comments, I will just say this -
I love Cousins, but he does have a tendency to try and do too much, even when he's absolutely ice cold.
He can do everything, but sometimes he doesn't know when to stop. That's when we get his 4-16 performances.
I know we don't have too many other options, but Rudy is often overlooked when Cuz becomes a ball hog.
I think a more balanced Cuz/Rudy usage percentage would do us good.
I love Cousins, but he does have a tendency to try and do too much, even when he's absolutely ice cold.
He can do everything, but sometimes he doesn't know when to stop. That's when we get his 4-16 performances.
I know we don't have too many other options, but Rudy is often overlooked when Cuz becomes a ball hog.
I think a more balanced Cuz/Rudy usage percentage would do us good.
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Pretty much get rid of everyone not named Casspi/WCS including GM/coach and whatever else is still left over from the last 10 years. If Cousins is not getting traded you got to move Rondo and Gay and try build around Cousins with high energy guys with decent IQ cause he is a guy who is severely lacking in both areas.
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For you (or anyone) to place full responsibility on DMC for the Kings W/L record while proudly touting your unwillingness to acknowledge the metrics which prove that DMC actually helped the team avoid a worse W/L record exhibits a stunning lack of awareness. A team's W/L record is based on much more than the team's best player and if you won't recognize that, then you don't know NBA basketball. It's that simple.
Nope. The bottom five teams in pace are all in the playoffs. The Spurs are 23rd. Someone should let those teams know they're doing it wrong! You can't win playing slow. Everyone knows that!
Among the top 6 in pace? Sacramento, Phx, and Philly.
Among the many falsehoods you've pushed, this is the most easily debunked.
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor
Among the top 6 in pace? Sacramento, Phx, and Philly.
Among the many falsehoods you've pushed, this is the most easily debunked.
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor
Don't think you necessarily need pace. But you do need 3 point shooting and good ball movement. The Spurs may not play "fast" but they're not some low post grind it out team either. They just take time to run their sets, hence the slower pace. The winning teams that play slow also have a lot more experience aside from the Jazz. Far easier to get a veteran team to execute good half court offense than it is a young team.
Exaclty. Thanks for understanding that an uptempo style of play can also be used in a half court set. It's predicated on quick ball movement and spacing, something you won't find here when DMC is being force fed and Rondo is used on the wing.
The Spurs "slow" pace is a whole lot different then the Jazz and Grizzlies. And using analytics to say they are similar is ludicrous people. Go watch the actual game.
The Spurs "slow" pace is a whole lot different then the Jazz and Grizzlies. And using analytics to say they are similar is ludicrous people. Go watch the actual game.
D24 is not putting all the blame on DMC. We simply have not won with him in 5 years and he is by far the highest usage player on the team. It is not crazy to think about going in another direction. DMC is not only one of the best players in the league, but he also is one of the best trade assets in the league. We could get some great value back.
It is a really tough situation. It is a bit like trading away The Rock. He was HOF player here who could never win. Moving in another direction was really tough, but also really worth it.
I am not even advocating it, but I think it is worth a discussion. D24 makes great points even though very unpopular.
It is a really tough situation. It is a bit like trading away The Rock. He was HOF player here who could never win. Moving in another direction was really tough, but also really worth it.
I am not even advocating it, but I think it is worth a discussion. D24 makes great points even though very unpopular.
Assuming this is true and that the mods don't have justification to ban you immediately for being a repeat offender, you still seem to have forgotten what Head & Shoulders taught us all many years ago: You never get a second chance to make a first impression.
Coming onto a website fresh and looking not to stimulate discussions but to inflame arguments is not a good plan for long-term success. You may wish to keep Aaron Bruski's recent tweets about George Karl needing to change his coaching style to keep his job in mind.
Coming onto a website fresh and looking not to stimulate discussions but to inflame arguments is not a good plan for long-term success. You may wish to keep Aaron Bruski's recent tweets about George Karl needing to change his coaching style to keep his job in mind.
You are taking an individual stat and comparing to the same stat for other teams. Team stats and individual stats shouldn't be compared like this. I know that your point is that the kings are much better with demarcus on the floor than with him off. While I agree with this point an apples to apples comparison would have to be done by comparing the diffirential of other players using their team stats with them on and off the floor just like you did with demarcus. I don't know what the results would be. They might farther illustrate how dominate Demarcus is. They also might show he is about as dominate as most other teams best players.
That's a strange take..
And no, I'm not disagreeing that we could use some more shooting, BUT WE SCORED 119 POINTS! 2 GAMES IN A ROW!
We score the 3rd most points in the league. During our 8 game death spiral we've AVERAGED 112.3 pts/gm. That side of the ball is so completely not the problem. No matter how we get it done, we score. We score well. We score better than almost all the 3pt bombing teams.
Its defense. Its all on the defense. We are going to lose the #8 to Utah, who can't shoot and couldn't score 112 if you locked them in the gym alone. But they play defense. That's everything. So all the popular "oh its our big men" or "oh its you can't win playing in the post" arguments are just silly. Our big men, our playing in the post, is part of one of the more potent offenses in the league. Its working just fine, thanks, to put the ball in the hole. Its the other side of the ball that has just killed us, and killed us for a solid decade now.
And no, I'm not disagreeing that we could use some more shooting, BUT WE SCORED 119 POINTS! 2 GAMES IN A ROW!
We score the 3rd most points in the league. During our 8 game death spiral we've AVERAGED 112.3 pts/gm. That side of the ball is so completely not the problem. No matter how we get it done, we score. We score well. We score better than almost all the 3pt bombing teams.
Its defense. Its all on the defense. We are going to lose the #8 to Utah, who can't shoot and couldn't score 112 if you locked them in the gym alone. But they play defense. That's everything. So all the popular "oh its our big men" or "oh its you can't win playing in the post" arguments are just silly. Our big men, our playing in the post, is part of one of the more potent offenses in the league. Its working just fine, thanks, to put the ball in the hole. Its the other side of the ball that has just killed us, and killed us for a solid decade now.
Defense certainly is the issue. I like what Bobby Jackson said and that was if he took over the team, all he would do is coach defense because this team can score. I doubt if many NBA players enjoy defense and if we check salaries, the guys who score make money and defensive specialists not so much. The team needs a coach to preach defense and not just mention it in passing in a presser. There needs to be some inspiration from the coach. Karl is no longer inspirational for a variety of reasons and would not know how to coach defense anyway.
While the comment about guys that score get paid is valid, there are many examples in the league where players that have no refined offensive game have earnt a lot of money over their career by being defensive specialists. Tony Allen, Tyson Chandler, Sam Dalembert were guys with next to no offensive game that have made a lot of money over their career.
Then when you look at 3 and D guys, the list is pretty long and they they have made more money than you and I will in our life time.
Then when you look at 3 and D guys, the list is pretty long and they they have made more money than you and I will in our life time.
The thing is, that all of these numbers need to have our pace taken into account. Yes, we score the third-most points per game, but when you correct for our league-leading pace, we are tied for 9th/10th at 105.9 points per 100 possessions - only barely ahead of the league average of 105.4. And the team we're tied with? The Utah Jazz, who couldn't score 112 if you locked them in the gym alone because they have the #30 pace in the league. But on a per-possession basis, which is what really matters, their offense is just as good as ours - and neither is outstanding. Fully 11 teams, over a third of the league, are within half a point on either side of that measure, putting us at the top of the "middle of the pack", while the Warriors are 9 points better than us, the Thunder 6.8, etc.
So our offense is basically average. Our defense is a bit worse - 2.1 points per 100 possessions worse than average and #22 overall, but there's still a long way to fall - the Lakers are 5.1 points worse than average. The defense is bad, but not disastrous.
We need to improve both if we want to actually compete.
So our offense is basically average. Our defense is a bit worse - 2.1 points per 100 possessions worse than average and #22 overall, but there's still a long way to fall - the Lakers are 5.1 points worse than average. The defense is bad, but not disastrous.
We need to improve both if we want to actually compete.
Even per 100 Capt., if you are running the #9/#10 offensive team and you can't sniff .500, or if you do and immediately recoil, the offense is not the problem. Now Karl's offense IS a problem, because he does it in ways that nearly demand a crap defense. But nonetheless while our numbers might not win a title -- notably the TOP 6 teams in ORTG just so happen to be maybe the Top 6 teams in the league -- they are damn well good enough to win anything else. Boston who just beat us is 11th. Atlanta 14th. Indiana 16th. Dallas 20th. Memphis 22nd. Chicago 23rd. They'll all still be playing past mid April. Meanwhile who are #8, #9 and #10? That would be us, Utah and Portland. We are trailing that group in the standings and fading fast, and its not because of our post offense, if you even want to call what we run a post offense.
On the other hand we are 22nd in DRTG, and its probably a limitation of the stat we aren't worse than that. And its a distant 22nd within a stone's throw of 27th. And of all the teams behind us in DRTG only the bumbling Rockets are going to make the playoffs. You can win 50 games with our offense and some attention to detail on the other end. You can't win squat with our defense.
Our 107.6 DRTG is bad enough that there are only 6 teams in the entire NBA -- GSW (114.9 ORTG), SAN (112.7), OKC (111.3), CLE (109.1), TOR (108.3), and LAC (108.0) -- who would have much shot at even .500 with it. And nobody beyond the GSW, SAN, OKC crew could win 50 with it.
On the other hand we are 22nd in DRTG, and its probably a limitation of the stat we aren't worse than that. And its a distant 22nd within a stone's throw of 27th. And of all the teams behind us in DRTG only the bumbling Rockets are going to make the playoffs. You can win 50 games with our offense and some attention to detail on the other end. You can't win squat with our defense.
Our 107.6 DRTG is bad enough that there are only 6 teams in the entire NBA -- GSW (114.9 ORTG), SAN (112.7), OKC (111.3), CLE (109.1), TOR (108.3), and LAC (108.0) -- who would have much shot at even .500 with it. And nobody beyond the GSW, SAN, OKC crew could win 50 with it.
And this is the thing. Players knew that coach had their back and when he called them out, they knew there was no alterior motive. He was calling it as he saw it. Mike Malone has come out and taken responsibility for the losses because he coached poorly.
Players respected him, they loved him and they believed him. They bought in, to what every he was preaching.
Now days its different. Karl is throwing the players under the bus every presser but not once did he admit to coaching mistakes. He blames the energy, lack of effort but not once has he put his hand up to say, you know what, I didn't coach that one well.
Respect is earnt. You can't just flash your credentials and expect the players to buy in. It doesn't work that way. Especially not with someone like Karl who has a history of throwing players under the bus and clashing with his star players.
Players respected him, they loved him and they believed him. They bought in, to what every he was preaching.
Now days its different. Karl is throwing the players under the bus every presser but not once did he admit to coaching mistakes. He blames the energy, lack of effort but not once has he put his hand up to say, you know what, I didn't coach that one well.
Respect is earnt. You can't just flash your credentials and expect the players to buy in. It doesn't work that way. Especially not with someone like Karl who has a history of throwing players under the bus and clashing with his star players.