The not blaming Karl 100% thread.
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If you read it thoroughly. You would have seen Rondo and Collison playing well, getting open looks for a Strecth 4, and also the looks at SG. Players will need to execute. But the open looks are there. That's what his system has always relied on. Also his uptempo style of play has gotten Stein a lot of transition hoops.
I agree with you. There's a lot of sensitivity on the board re: Cousins.. Cousins can do no wrong. Bow down to him. This is the general attitude more or less. Give me a break. I love Cousins but I also see his warts.
Let's review:
(1) Below average post game
(2) Turnover prone
(3) Foul prone
(4) Constantly bickers with refs
(5) Not a leader
(6) Takes plays off defensively
Now before I continue I will say he is a Top 5 talent in the NBA. Great hands. Great shooting touch. Great footwork. Great handles. Superior strength. Superior confidence. This is our franchise player. If he did not have these strengths he would not be Top 5 in scoring and rebounding.
But also if he did not have the aforementioned weaknesses we would NOT be 21-27 and our coach would not be on his way out the door!!!!
There's a very good podcast called Locke on the NBA by the guy who does the Jazz games. He interviewed an anonymous NBA scout who has been watching the game up close for a living for decades. This is an opinion you can trust.
It was interesting when this scout spoke of James Harden because IMHO Boogie is the James Harden of NBA centers. Great talent and dominant but does NOT make teammates better.
The pro-Cousins contingent does not want to face the fact that Boogie does not make those around him better. And this is the predicament. What do you do with a player who is a superior talent but does not make those around him better???
This is why you need a good to great head coach to blend the inferior talent around Boogie to create synergy. Malone was on his way to doing this before he was unceremoniously canned. Karl has failed at this because his emphasis has been to turn Boogie into an offensive leader instead of a defensive leader or a leader on both ends of the floor.
There's a lot more that I could say but it is time for Republican debates.
Let's review:
(1) Below average post game
(2) Turnover prone
(3) Foul prone
(4) Constantly bickers with refs
(5) Not a leader
(6) Takes plays off defensively
Now before I continue I will say he is a Top 5 talent in the NBA. Great hands. Great shooting touch. Great footwork. Great handles. Superior strength. Superior confidence. This is our franchise player. If he did not have these strengths he would not be Top 5 in scoring and rebounding.
But also if he did not have the aforementioned weaknesses we would NOT be 21-27 and our coach would not be on his way out the door!!!!
There's a very good podcast called Locke on the NBA by the guy who does the Jazz games. He interviewed an anonymous NBA scout who has been watching the game up close for a living for decades. This is an opinion you can trust.
It was interesting when this scout spoke of James Harden because IMHO Boogie is the James Harden of NBA centers. Great talent and dominant but does NOT make teammates better.
The pro-Cousins contingent does not want to face the fact that Boogie does not make those around him better. And this is the predicament. What do you do with a player who is a superior talent but does not make those around him better???
This is why you need a good to great head coach to blend the inferior talent around Boogie to create synergy. Malone was on his way to doing this before he was unceremoniously canned. Karl has failed at this because his emphasis has been to turn Boogie into an offensive leader instead of a defensive leader or a leader on both ends of the floor.
There's a lot more that I could say but it is time for Republican debates.
Because the alternative when Cousins is out is playing Acy at the 4 or Gay. Acy isn't the type of player to do well in that type of system, and Rudy Gay has had a pretty bad year compared to last year. Which Coach and style would you guys actually prefer? And let's also be realistic with who the Kings could actually get at HC, considering the mess that the FO has been in.
We shouldn't have fired Rick Adelman and we shouldn't have fired Mike Malone. But Eric Musselman, Reggie Theus, Kenny Natt, Paul Westphal, Keith Smart, and (soon) George Karl all did a terrible job and deserved to be fired. I'm not going to pick on Tyrone Corbin because he was put into a difficult situation that he didn't ask for. The whole notion that we need to keep George Karl just to put a stop to the coaching carousel is so backwards and illogical that it's of course going to be the main narrative for every single national media outlet when it does happen. When we fire George Karl it won't be because Cousins is making all the decisions, it won't be because Vlade is incompetent, it won't be because the players are without fault, and it won't be because ownership has unrealistic expectations and a predilection for meddling (though that's been true in the past). It will be because he's doing a terrible job of coaching this team. So terrible in fact that all sorts of objective observers who are actually paying attention have pointed out his questionable decisions for most of the season.
Does it bother me that some hacks at ESPN who watch Boston, Cleveland, Golden State, and OKC all year long suddenly have a negative opinion about our "running joke" of a franchise every time a headline pops up? Not at all. They think they're poking fun, really they're just revealing their own ignorance to the world. The jokes on them. We need to make decisions that are right for our team regardless of the public narrative. Yes there are other changes that need to be made. This isn't a quick fix solution, but it's a step in the process that needs to happen. The sooner the better.
Does it bother me that some hacks at ESPN who watch Boston, Cleveland, Golden State, and OKC all year long suddenly have a negative opinion about our "running joke" of a franchise every time a headline pops up? Not at all. They think they're poking fun, really they're just revealing their own ignorance to the world. The jokes on them. We need to make decisions that are right for our team regardless of the public narrative. Yes there are other changes that need to be made. This isn't a quick fix solution, but it's a step in the process that needs to happen. The sooner the better.
And since people here look to Karl's playoff losses, let's remember that he was a HC in the western Conference. You have the 90's Jazz, the 99-2002 Blazers, the early 00 Kings, the 90-2010 Lakers and the 98-2016 Spurs that he has gone up against. And his lone Finals appearance was against the Bulls. It's common for fans to think he underachieved with his teams, maybe he did. But the talent he faced as a HC in the playoffs is the real deal. It's not like he got to coach in the east where even SVG and the Magic went one year.
Actually Boogie HAS won in the NBA. Consistently for several years now.
His teammates however lose by so much it does not matter.
There are roughly 5 players in the entire NBA who you could even pretend could have made this team into a winner by themselves, and there's only one -- Lebron -- I would lean toward doing so. But not Blake, not Harden, not George, not Davis...not superstars all over the league.
And of course this franchise is dumber than dirt and until Vlade was actively fighting DeMarcus at every step of the way out of flat ignorance of what to do with a player of that ilk.
His teammates however lose by so much it does not matter.
There are roughly 5 players in the entire NBA who you could even pretend could have made this team into a winner by themselves, and there's only one -- Lebron -- I would lean toward doing so. But not Blake, not Harden, not George, not Davis...not superstars all over the league.
And of course this franchise is dumber than dirt and until Vlade was actively fighting DeMarcus at every step of the way out of flat ignorance of what to do with a player of that ilk.
I liked Mike Malone, but who's to say that he would have kept on winning if he remained our coach? If he was having a bad streak with the Kings, people would have said he should have been fired. In fact there were a few posts on this board saying that he should be fired when he was having a rough streak earlier on .....
Plus, the last I checked, the Nuggets Standings aren't any better than ours, so it's not as if he's turned that team around.
Again, I liked Mike, but I'm just saying that nobody could have known what the future would have brought had he remained a head coach with the Kings. All we can do is speculate.
You do know that Denver is in a rebuild right? They turned their PG duties over to Mudiay, who missed a chunk of the season, but while healthy, he's showing flashes and also playing like a rookie.....he's a turnover machine. They have some pieces still but in reality, that team is building with the young pieces in Mudiay, Nurkic, Dokic, Harris, etc
And what we all know if we are being honest is the team responded to Malone....the team had a great deal of respect for him.
And what we all know if we are being honest is the team responded to Malone....the team had a great deal of respect for him.
You do realize that Cousins does not equal the Kings and that the Kings do not equal Cousins. If you understand that logic, then you will understand that the Kings win and lose games (not Cousins).
It takes a TEAM to win in this league. Having scrub teammates with poor coaches (or coaches that don't know how to use the roster in front of them) should not be held against Cousins. I've seen this shortsighted argument throughout Cousins career. The fact remains that we still haven't seen Cousins surrounded with fitting talent and a coach that knows how to utilize him and the rest of his teammates correctly. If we fail to win when that happens, feel free to tell us "I told you so" but until then, I'm going to bet that a player of Cousins caliber has what it takes to win. Looking at it logically and playing the odds, you would be foolish to think otherwise.
It takes a TEAM to win in this league. Having scrub teammates with poor coaches (or coaches that don't know how to use the roster in front of them) should not be held against Cousins. I've seen this shortsighted argument throughout Cousins career. The fact remains that we still haven't seen Cousins surrounded with fitting talent and a coach that knows how to utilize him and the rest of his teammates correctly. If we fail to win when that happens, feel free to tell us "I told you so" but until then, I'm going to bet that a player of Cousins caliber has what it takes to win. Looking at it logically and playing the odds, you would be foolish to think otherwise.
You may or may not be new around here, but just a hint, that was a setup.
Here's the punchline:
When DeMarcus Cousins is on the floor, this Kings team wins his minutes. They won his minutes last year too. But the team is so godawful whenever he's NOT on the floor it overwhelms their winning numbers when he is on the floor.
First, the numbers:
When Cousins is on the floor our ORTG is +2.4 better than our opponents.
When Cousins is OFF the floor our ORTG is -8.3 worse than our opponents.
Let's take a look at where those two numbers would fit amongst all teams in the NBA, listed by their own differential:
1) SAN +14.4
2) GSW +12.6
3) OKC + 8.2
4) CLE +5.8
5) TOR + 4.7
6) BOS +4.2
7) LAC + 4.1
8) IND +2.7
9) ATL +2.7
10) SAC w/Boogie + 2.6
11) DET +1.5
12) UTH +1.4
13) CHA +0.3
14) CHI +0.2
15) MIA +0.1
16) POR -0.1
17) DAL -1.0
18) HOU -1.1
19) MEM -1.2
20) SAC -1.7
21) ORL -1.7
22) NYK -2.2
23) WSH -2.7
24) DEN -3.5
25) NOH -3.8
26) MIN -3.9
27) MIL -5.4
28) PHX -6.1
29) BKN -7.6
30) SAC w/o Boogie -8.3
31) LAL -10.3
32) PHL -10.9
So when Boogie is on the court we play like a Top 10 team, roughly equal to an Indiana or Atlanta. When Boogie is off the court, the same guys he has playing like Indiana or Atlanta, now start playing like Brooklyn or the Lakers.
DeMarcus Cousins is not having a losing season. The Kings team is having a losing season. Again. He's the only thing that keeps this leaky ship afloat.
Here's the punchline:
When DeMarcus Cousins is on the floor, this Kings team wins his minutes. They won his minutes last year too. But the team is so godawful whenever he's NOT on the floor it overwhelms their winning numbers when he is on the floor.
First, the numbers:
When Cousins is on the floor our ORTG is +2.4 better than our opponents.
When Cousins is OFF the floor our ORTG is -8.3 worse than our opponents.
Let's take a look at where those two numbers would fit amongst all teams in the NBA, listed by their own differential:
1) SAN +14.4
2) GSW +12.6
3) OKC + 8.2
4) CLE +5.8
5) TOR + 4.7
6) BOS +4.2
7) LAC + 4.1
8) IND +2.7
9) ATL +2.7
10) SAC w/Boogie + 2.6
11) DET +1.5
12) UTH +1.4
13) CHA +0.3
14) CHI +0.2
15) MIA +0.1
16) POR -0.1
17) DAL -1.0
18) HOU -1.1
19) MEM -1.2
20) SAC -1.7
21) ORL -1.7
22) NYK -2.2
23) WSH -2.7
24) DEN -3.5
25) NOH -3.8
26) MIN -3.9
27) MIL -5.4
28) PHX -6.1
29) BKN -7.6
30) SAC w/o Boogie -8.3
31) LAL -10.3
32) PHL -10.9
So when Boogie is on the court we play like a Top 10 team, roughly equal to an Indiana or Atlanta. When Boogie is off the court, the same guys he has playing like Indiana or Atlanta, now start playing like Brooklyn or the Lakers.
DeMarcus Cousins is not having a losing season. The Kings team is having a losing season. Again. He's the only thing that keeps this leaky ship afloat.
I know you are new here, but this is the way it rolls here. Instead of having balanced conversations about the pros and cons of DMC, he is defended to the absurd as you just witnessed. It is due to fear. Fear of losing a player that might dominate somewhere else as we continue our pathetic ways leaving us the laughing stock of the NBA. But alas, we are already there. The team that even a HOF coach could not make successful.
Maybe a new coach will help things, but I doubt it.
Maybe a new coach will help things, but I doubt it.