Karl has a better winning percentage in Sac then Malone did even while running a "system" that doesn't fit to you guys. I'd give full control to Karl, trade DC. This isn't Karl's first rodeo when a star player and he butted heads (Melo). And Karl won 57 games without his star player in his system. Played with the right personal, Karl's system will win you games. DC doesn't fit, so I'd rather ride with a coach with an actual winning percentage throughout his career, and not give power to an injury prone head case with a losing record in Sac.
The not blaming Karl 100% thread.
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Are you talking about Darren Collison? He's not such a head case... 
And did you open a new account just to write this massage?
I don't agree with you, anyway. If the coach doesn't fit the players on the team, most of them talented and/or experienced, then to me it makes much more sense to replace the coach then to replace the players.
And did you open a new account just to write this massage? I don't agree with you, anyway. If the coach doesn't fit the players on the team, most of them talented and/or experienced, then to me it makes much more sense to replace the coach then to replace the players.
I will take a coach that will implement his system over the few years he has remaining and be able to groom the next HC for after he is gone. Karl's system has worked for about 20 years. So I don't think it is "shortsighted" to believe that his system will work for years to come with the right players. You have pieces here that would fit into his system (Rondo,Collision, Cauley-Stein). Trade Demarcus for a Strecth 4 and a wing player and you'll be able to see that this system will work. I just wouldn't put all my eggs into Cousins basket because out of the top 10 players in the NBA, he's the only one who hasn't proved he can carry a team to a winning or respectable record. And for those that have different opinions, fine. Respond with basketball comments, not some snide and iditoic complaints about me personally because I sure as hell haven't attacked any of you.
Then it's a great thing you are not running things.
How many titles has this HOF coach ever won? A truly great coach can win with any talented roster you give them. Karl can only win running his system. And even then, he only wins lots of regular season games and rarely in the playoffs and never a title.
So, if you were in charge, you'd trade the best low post player in the game to save a coach that for 30 seasons has shown you that his ceiling is a myriad of early round playoff exits. No thanks.
A coach that understands how to utilize a low post presence, something Karl has never had, will get this team winning. Mike Malone looked to be that coach until the former GM inexplicably let him go. That team was playing defense.
How many titles has this HOF coach ever won? A truly great coach can win with any talented roster you give them. Karl can only win running his system. And even then, he only wins lots of regular season games and rarely in the playoffs and never a title.
So, if you were in charge, you'd trade the best low post player in the game to save a coach that for 30 seasons has shown you that his ceiling is a myriad of early round playoff exits. No thanks.
A coach that understands how to utilize a low post presence, something Karl has never had, will get this team winning. Mike Malone looked to be that coach until the former GM inexplicably let him go. That team was playing defense.
How many playoff games has the best low post player in the Game won? Malone still had a below .400 record here. Fans here point to a 14 game stretch which is very short sighted when he was here.
To say Karl was "rarely" in the playoffs is also laughable. His sonics made the NBA finals. And you could have had Pop or any coach in that finals, nobody was beating the Bulls.
You would keep Cousins, it is understandable. But the way the game is heading, you do not need a low post player to win. I'd trade DC now when you can get plenty of assets for him. Proven assests, not future picks that may not pan out.
Karl and Cousins will not win together. That much we can agree on. I would like to see this organization to either go Cuz's way or Karl's way. You know which I prefer. But once they make a decision they need to go in that direction 100%. Find the players that fit Karl's system. Or find the coach/players that fit Cousin's. And if they decide to go Cousin's way, I believe they'll need to trade Rondo because if it will become a low post offense, rondo's man will be the first to double team Cuz in the paint. Cousins will need a floor spacing point guard that has 0 problem playing through him, and Rondo simply cannot space the floor with his shooting.
To say Karl was "rarely" in the playoffs is also laughable. His sonics made the NBA finals. And you could have had Pop or any coach in that finals, nobody was beating the Bulls.
You would keep Cousins, it is understandable. But the way the game is heading, you do not need a low post player to win. I'd trade DC now when you can get plenty of assets for him. Proven assests, not future picks that may not pan out.
Karl and Cousins will not win together. That much we can agree on. I would like to see this organization to either go Cuz's way or Karl's way. You know which I prefer. But once they make a decision they need to go in that direction 100%. Find the players that fit Karl's system. Or find the coach/players that fit Cousin's. And if they decide to go Cousin's way, I believe they'll need to trade Rondo because if it will become a low post offense, rondo's man will be the first to double team Cuz in the paint. Cousins will need a floor spacing point guard that has 0 problem playing through him, and Rondo simply cannot space the floor with his shooting.
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A lot of people on the forum love Cousins which is fair enough I can see why and a lot have said they would stop watching the Kings if he leaves so if you suggest anything of the sort they tend to do such things. I do differ in the opinion both the coach and the players should be moved I do think Karl is done not that we should just move Cuz for Karl.
Karl is inept when it comes to this team. Personally, I thinks he's mailing it in now that he has his final payday. If you didn't read that account on his Denver days, you probably should.
Many of the anti-Demarcus crowd won't believe this, and quite frankly, who gives a ****, but Cuz has a brilliant basketball mind and he knows what's up. I think a big, big reason why he responded to Malone so well was that Malone had a definite plan regarding defense and offense and Malone held the players and coaches including himself accountable. Malone understood and still does understand what TEAM means.
Karl throws his philosophy out there with his couple of plays, his crapty defensive scheme and then tells the players to play and he holds himself to no accountability....****ing zero accountability by himself. Publicly throws the players under the bus, has weak ass post game answers, if he gets called on stuff, he gives lame answers.......it is Jo wonder that the players have reached a point of " hard to give a ****" when the coach is making zero adjustments to what is going on.....nope, just pick up the pace boys, play faster.
And this will not be like last year when the players just gave up after the Malone firing....completely different situation. You get a guy in there that can motivate and stress defense and play to the rosters strength and these veteran players will respond. These are vets who desperately want to win, no damn way they mail it in. Corliss or Lieberman takes over and it's an opportunity for them to get this turned around.
No doubt in my mind that this team is underachieving thanks to the ineptitude of George Karl.
Many of the anti-Demarcus crowd won't believe this, and quite frankly, who gives a ****, but Cuz has a brilliant basketball mind and he knows what's up. I think a big, big reason why he responded to Malone so well was that Malone had a definite plan regarding defense and offense and Malone held the players and coaches including himself accountable. Malone understood and still does understand what TEAM means.
Karl throws his philosophy out there with his couple of plays, his crapty defensive scheme and then tells the players to play and he holds himself to no accountability....****ing zero accountability by himself. Publicly throws the players under the bus, has weak ass post game answers, if he gets called on stuff, he gives lame answers.......it is Jo wonder that the players have reached a point of " hard to give a ****" when the coach is making zero adjustments to what is going on.....nope, just pick up the pace boys, play faster.
And this will not be like last year when the players just gave up after the Malone firing....completely different situation. You get a guy in there that can motivate and stress defense and play to the rosters strength and these veteran players will respond. These are vets who desperately want to win, no damn way they mail it in. Corliss or Lieberman takes over and it's an opportunity for them to get this turned around.
No doubt in my mind that this team is underachieving thanks to the ineptitude of George Karl.
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He responded to Mike Malone so well we had a 37% winning percentage and a legendary 9-6 run that Karl past his prime and being a terrible fit/not caring just matched prior to this skid. DMC has a brilliant basketball mind when it comes to instinct plays no doubt he's elite at that but thinking the game through and understanding how to win I have yet to see it.
Why do we have to resort to name calling just cuz we don't agree with him. Yeah he's new but that doesn't mean he doesn't get an opinion. You don't agree with it? Argue your point or agree to disagree. But I think this board should be above name calling or not letting someone voice an opinion just because he's new. It's interesting to get perspective from an outsider that has probably been through karl and malone. I don't exactly agree with what he'd do but I just moved along to the next post.
Thanks for disagreeing with class. Another point I'd like to discuss is pointing to Karl never winning a championship. When this team's first focus should be on making the playoffs, which many of Karl's team did. I'd rather see this team make the playoffs then not, and Karl's system has been shown to at least get you to the dance.
You're missing the point of his ridiculous argument. Since Karl can't adjust to the players we have, we should trade them for small ball guys because that's how he used to win before getting slapped repeatedly in the playoffs.
and that's while ignoring the in game issues, defensive unpreparedness, lack of young player development or using the media to absolve himself of all responsibility.
and that's while ignoring the in game issues, defensive unpreparedness, lack of young player development or using the media to absolve himself of all responsibility.
To win in today's game, your going to need to play an uptempo style, which is what is doing. In order for him to do well this roster, he will need to trade DC to get a player more suitable for his style. The looks DeMarcus gets at 3 is what Al Harrington used to get, and he was the strecth 4 so it worked. Vlade hasn't allowed Karl to trade DC, but he also hasn't fired Karl so it makes 0 sense. Rondo and Collison have found success individually this year under his system. Karl's system puts a lot of responsibility to the PG, and they've done well. It doesn't help when Marco is having one of his worst shooting years for him, but the looks are there for him.
Defensively, there's a lot to be desired. When Curry/Gay are your best perimeter defenders, there will be problems on D regardless of who is coaching. If there was a true stretch 4 here, I believe Willey Blockenstein would play more minutes and flourish just like the Birdman did for Denver under Karl.
Defensively, there's a lot to be desired. When Curry/Gay are your best perimeter defenders, there will be problems on D regardless of who is coaching. If there was a true stretch 4 here, I believe Willey Blockenstein would play more minutes and flourish just like the Birdman did for Denver under Karl.