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sdballer

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#61
#61
The fact that we're still debating if we were more successful when we played slow is sad. What other evidence do we need over the course of boogies career?
 
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The_Jamal

Hall of Famer
#62
#62
Bricklayer said:
The getting to the line was not an accident. Its what happens when you play smashmouth ball and have a major foul drawing big to key it.
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The rate we were was like historically great. We're a fantastic team at getting to the line, simply by having Cuz, but there's no way you can tell me that squad would have been one of the greatest ever at doing it
 
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The_Jamal

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#63
#63
CuzistanKing said:
And I'd say obsession with offensive categories gets overrated by some around here. What matters is how you utilize the tools you got to achieve the best result possible.

I would also dispute the notion that we were "just as awful" last year without Cousins for two reasons: we weren't losing by such large margins and our depth this season is miles ahead of last year (so expectations should be higher). Our starting five was among the best in the league precisely because of defense, but there was a Hoover Dam sized drop-off in talent as soon as you went to the bench. And yes, getting to the line is part of how you win with smash-mouth basketball, not sure why you'd think it wasn't sustainable. Finally, if Malone could've gotten 35-38 wins out the last year's squad - I'd guarantee a 10 game improvement this year just from continuity and the talent upgrade we got, which would have us fighting for the 8th spot, and as of today is the very-best-case scenario for this Karl's team. So yeah, sign me up for that!
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Bottom 3 efficiency in all categories and completely unsustainable FT rate is not "overrating offensive categories." That's being realistic about why we were able to win at the beginning of last year.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

Mr. S£im Citrus

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#64
#64
If it's not too much trouble, I'd like a link to the whatever evidence you are referencing to be able to declare that the FT rate was "unsustainable," as if it were indisputable fact. Since, you know, FT rate is not related to efficiency stats.
 
CuzistanKing

CuzistanKing

G-League
#65
#65
The_Jamal said:
Bottom 3 efficiency in all categories and completely unsustainable FT rate is not "overrating offensive categories." That's being realistic about why we were able to win at the beginning of last year.
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Let's put it this way - I'll take top-three defense with bottom-three offense over top-three offense with bottom-three defense, any day of the week and twice on Sundays. And I'm yet to see any evidence as to why the FT rate was unsustainable.
 
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The_Jamal

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#66
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
If it's not too much trouble, I'd like a link to the whatever evidence you are referencing to be able to declare that the FT rate was "unsustainable," as if it were indisputable fact. Since, you know, FT rate is not related to efficiency stats.
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Because no team in the history of basketball had ever achieved a .500+ FT rate (at least from what I've been able to find, I looked extensively last season), which IIRC, is where we were at during that point in the season. The best teams in the league usually end the year in the .350-.375 range.

But you're right, I don't have any physical numbers to back up that assertion. But I think it's a pretty smart educated guess that squad wasn't the greatest FT rate team in NBA history (or one of them).
 
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sdballer

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#68
#68
The_Jamal said:
Because no team in the history of basketball had ever achieved a .500+ FT rate (at least from what I've been able to find, I looked extensively last season), which IIRC, is where we were at during that point in the season. The best teams in the league usually end the year in the .350-.375 range.

But you're right, I don't have any physical numbers to back up that assertion. But I think it's a pretty smart educated guess that squad wasn't the greatest FT rate team in NBA history (or one of them).
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Still doesn't account for the defensive end of the court where we were playing amazingly well. Even if the FT% rate came down, that was the big difference
 
Albatros

Albatros

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#72
We haven't been successful doing anything. Basically forever.

This team can't defend the three point line. They can't contain the dribble. They can't defend the pick and roll. They don't care about defense. Even a defensive "genius" like Malone had this team in the dungeon of defense.

The core is the same despite the new faces. Oh and Ben Mac shouldn't be playing a single minute IMO.
 
Chubbs

Chubbs

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#73
#73
Albatros said:
We haven't been successful doing anything. Basically forever.

This team can't defend the three point line. They can't contain the dribble. They can't defend the pick and roll. They don't care about defense. Even a defensive "genius" like Malone had this team in the dungeon of defense.

The core is the same despite the new faces. Oh and Ben Mac shouldn't be playing a single minute IMO.
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Kinda bad timing for taking another shot at Ben.

Anderson plus Bellinelli last night. 2-14, 7 points, 6 boards, 2 assists, 0 steals.

Ben-11 points, 3-8, 4 rebounds 4 assists, 3 steals.
 
Blastoff

Blastoff

G-League
#74
#74
Random thoughts:

-DMC is option 1A on offense (obviously). Rudy is supposed to be option 1B when need be...he hasn't been and is starting to look like Toronto Rudy.
-A lot of our issues moving the ball/turning it over still looks like players trying to gel.
-Some will say the schedule is no excuse...but when a team is struggling, they usually need a break in the schedule to get it together.

I'm reserving judgement on this team until after this brutal stretch where we're playing most of the league's best teams all in a row. They've hit a perfect storm that we all knew could happen when the schedule was published...not sure how this suddenly puts fans in panic mode.
 
Kingster

Kingster

Hall of Famer
#75
#75
Several times the Kings gave up the easy corner 3. In fact, an easy corner 3 broke their back in the 4th. Giving up easy corner 3s is an absolute no-no. Kings get an F on defense just for that. Rotations were terrible.

Kings lack defensive quickness on the perimeter. I don't see anything fixing that except a trade. A guy like Beverly would have been much better for this team than Rondo.
 
Albatros

Albatros

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#76
#76
Blastoff said:
Random thoughts:

-DMC is option 1A on offense (obviously). Rudy is supposed to be option 1B when need be...he hasn't been and is starting to look like Toronto Rudy.
-A lot of our issues moving the ball/turning it over still looks like players trying to gel.
-Some will say the schedule is no excuse...but when a team is struggling, they usually need a break in the schedule to get it together.

I'm reserving judgement on this team until after this brutal stretch where we're playing most of the league's best teams all in a row. They've hit a perfect storm that we all knew could happen when the schedule was published...not sure how this suddenly puts fans in panic mode.
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Will it put the team in panic mode. This team has a habit of playing dowwwwwwn to the opposition too. I expect when we hit a stretch of "favourable" to lose a fair few as well.
 
Blastoff

Blastoff

G-League
#77
#77
Albatros said:
Will it put the team in panic mode. This team has a habit of playing dowwwwwwn to the opposition too. I expect when we hit a stretch of "favourable" to lose a fair few as well.
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Probably. But I think if you told most reasonable people that we would lose DMC for most of this stretch of games, they would have predicted a similar hole to dig out of for the rest of the season. Gay and Belinelli going through shooting slumps adds to it. The one thing I'm truly disappointed in is the inept defensive rotation of this more "veteran" group.
 
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