Kings and free agency - part 2

[Bosnian Diehard]

Can I clear something up? I though the pick we traded was top-10 protected? Because a lot of people are acting like we traded them the #1 overall pick already...

(BTW, the 1st Round pick we traded to the Bulls becomes a 2nd ROunder in 2017 if it is still protected; then the pick we traded to the 76ers becomes 2019!)

 

[theclash4u5]

Chance to form the NBA's bad reputation team - DMC, Smith, Gay, Rondo. All we need to do is ship out Ben for another player with questionable attitude and play this old Joan Jett song everytime the starting 5 is announced.

Cousins
Josh Smith
Gay
JR Smith
Rondo

Even the old Jailblazers would be disgusted with that lineup

 

[theclash4u5]

Can I clear something up? I though the pick we traded was top-10 protected? Because a lot of people are acting like we traded them the #1 overall pick already...

(BTW, the 1st Round pick we traded to the Bulls becomes a 2nd ROunder in 2017 if it is still protected; then the pick we traded to the 76ers becomes 2019!)

I'm not worried about the 1st round pick in 2018. In reality, yes, it is worrisome because we already owe the Bulls a pick so we can't offer to trade another 1st round for 4-6 years in a future draft (depending on how long that pick is protected for). But we also included two pick swaps that allows the 76ers, that in the event we get a higher pick than them (we finish in top 3-5 and they finish 7-10) in the 16 or 17 draft, they can simply swap the pick and do it twice. So we if get lucky and win the lottery? Get a top 3 pick? Hell, even if the 76ers somehow turn it around and get close to the playoffs? They can just take our pick and say thanks, see you next year. I understand they are as far away from the playoffs as we are, but they're in the East. The Bucks went from one of the worst teams in the league to a playoff team in the East in one season. We play in the West, where 37 wins might stick at the 8th spot in the lotto.

 

[9x1x6]

Mathews signed for 13mil a year with the Mavs.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Cousins
Josh Smith
Gay
JR Smith
Rondo

Even the old Jailblazers would be disgusted with that lineup

Why? That's not a bunch of guys known for getting in trouble off the court; you do know why they were called "Jailblazers," right?

That said, it does look like an All Anti-analytics Team.

 

[Gilles]

So, since this thread has gotten way off track, what are our best options now that option A - Monta Ellis and option B- Wesley Matthews have turned us down?

12M/Yr for Rondo?
16M/Yr for Tobias Harris?
10M/Yr for Lou Williams?
10M/Yr for Stucky?
10M/Yr for Belinelli?

Thoughts?

There's not much money left on the market, so no $10+ million per for leftovers is crazy.

Rondo just doesn't fit with both Cuz and Rudy on the floor, unless the other two guys are excellent shooters.
Would like Kings to be a decoy for Lou Will, so Toronto have to spend all of its $10 million left on him.
Tobias Harris has absolutely different physical profile than Draymond Green, and is redundant with Rudy offensively.
Belinelli is a good shooter, but also really bad at that defending thingy - even Spurs couldn't hide him, so when his shooting accuracy dropped last season, it was clear, he'll be looking for new home.
Unless Indiana will be able to sell Hibbert to either Dallas or Clippers, Stuckey doesn't have big market - will likely come for under $5 million.
Kings don't have a role for Beverley, unless they also sign Stuckey: Pat won't start, and he can't lead bench unit as it will struggle mightily to score.
Smith is ok at $4-5 million, but if he wants more, he can find another suitor.

 

[fansinceday1]

We didn't. Our top two targets refused us. So now we have to be smart and not dish out major money for undeserving players. We needed a change I don't understand this way of thinking. We needed to give ourselves a chance now.

Thing is most of the posters here could have predicted most of the decent FA's out there telling us to take a hike. So...... the trade was going to be a big S sandwich from the very beginning.

This upcoming season could be worse than last year. Firing Malone is going to go down as one of the worst moves made in kings history because it will go down as the beginning of the end for cousins and the cause and beginning of another very very long rebuild for the kings. It was the first in what has become a string of very bad decisions that has turned sacramento into a graveyard where careers go to die. No one who has any talent will want to come here and we are seeing that play out. This franchise is F'd.

 

[DerekJ]

Can I clear something up? I though the pick we traded was top-10 protected? Because a lot of people are acting like we traded them the #1 overall pick already...

(BTW, the 1st Round pick we traded to the Bulls becomes a 2nd ROunder in 2017 if it is still protected; then the pick we traded to the 76ers becomes 2019!)

Philly has the option to swap picks with us in the next two drafts. Thus, if we finish 6th again they would have our 25% chance to land in the top 3 in each consecutive draft. The also are guaranteed our 2018? top 10 protected pick.

 

[whozit]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 12m12 minutes ago
Concurrent with their pursuit of David West, I'm told Wizards continue to shop Nene but clinging to hope they can trade him into cap space

And possibly still have enough for Rondo also?

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I'm not worried about the 1st round pick in 2018. In reality, yes, it is worrisome because we already owe the Bulls a pick so we can't offer to trade another 1st round for 4-6 years in a future draft (depending on how long that pick is protected for). But we also included two pick swaps that allows the 76ers, that in the event we get a higher pick than them (we finish in top 3-5 and they finish 7-10) in the 16 or 17 draft, they can simply swap the pick and do it twice. So we if get lucky and win the lottery? Get a top 3 pick? Hell, even if the 76ers somehow turn it around and get close to the playoffs? They can just take our pick and say thanks, see you next year. I understand they are as far away from the playoffs as we are, but they're in the East. The Bucks went from one of the worst teams in the league to a playoff team in the East in one season. We play in the West, where 37 wins might stick at the 8th spot in the lotto.

Do we know that the pick swaps aren't top 3 protected? I would imagine they would be. They almost always are top 3 protected. Also conflicting reports said that they could only exercise one of the pick swaps, not both. I don't think anyone knows the specifics since the trade can't legally go through for a few more days.

And not that it matters much, but I don't believe there are any generational talents projected to come out of the top spots over the next 2 years.

 

[DerekJ]

Do we know that the pick swaps aren't top 3 protected? I would imagine they would be. They almost always are top 3 protected. Also conflicting reports said that they could only exercise one of the pick swaps, not both. I don't think anyone knows the specifics since the trade can't legally go through for a few more days.

And not that it matters much, but I don't believe there are any generational talents projected to come out of the top spots over the next 2 years.

I don't believe the pick swaps are top-3 protected. That would be the only realistic possibility that they would occur in the first place.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

This is the play to break the endless cycle of defeat. After you get stuck on that cycle long enough you get kind of addicted to it and scared to leave it...

So, you're saying that Kings Fans have Stockholm Syndrome?

I must say, though, I am amused by the notion that us trading all our draft picks have put us in a position where Kings Fans don't know how to follow a season of Kings basketball, when we still might not make the playoffs, but we can't root for 'lins', any more, either.

 

[Rain man]

I don't believe the pick swaps are top-3 protected.

Based on what? You got details of the pick swap no one else knows about? Link?

 

[The_Jamal]

My biggest gripe with the pizza guy was his shot selection. And with boston he's averaging 6.6 3PA @ 34.5%.. Even worse than when he was here

Who cares? Dude has been at 57% TS is entire career. At his USG, that's absolutely outstanding and equal to some of the best scorers in the NBA.

But nah, don't need that at all or a guy Boogie loved playing with.

 

[The_Jamal]

Rondo-Ben-Gay-Smith-Cuz

God help us

 

[DerekJ]

Based on what? You got details of the pick swap no one else knows about? Link?

http://nba.derekbodner.com/2015/07/02/sixers-acquire-nik-stauskas-1st-round-pick-from-kings/

 

[Entity]

I think the picks swap is being blown out of proportion. It's not like all of a sudden the 6 ers are a playoff team and we are bottom three.

 

[fansinceday1]

I think the picks swap is being blown out of proportion. It's not like all of a sudden the 6 ers are a playoff team and we are bottom three.

The sixers aren't looking too bad anymore.

 

[Rain man]

http://nba.derekbodner.com/2015/07/02/sixers-acquire-nik-stauskas-1st-round-pick-from-kings/

He might be right, but he is a blogger for PhillyMag. I think he is extrapolating from the same info the rest of us have. I would hardly take his interpretation as gospel when Stein, Woj, Lowe, etc have all been unable to get details of the pick swap and the trade isn't official.

 

[The_Jamal]

Alex KennedyVerified account‏@AlexKennedyNBA
After missing on Monta Ellis and Wes Matthews, the Kings have had significant talks with Patrick Beverley. Sacramento has a lot of cap room.


Excellent. He's the guy we should be focused on.

 

[Livinthedream]

I think the picks swap is being blown out of proportion. It's not like all of a sudden the 6 ers are a playoff team and we are bottom three.

Makes you wonder why the Sixers would even waste their time negotiating it.

 

[steelevt]

I found the Kings possible free agent list!!!

Aka Rudy Gay's wedding guest list

 

[Jojimbo]

Alex KennedyVerified account‏@AlexKennedyNBA
After missing on Monta Ellis and Wes Matthews, the Kings have had significant talks with Patrick Beverley. Sacramento has a lot of cap room.


Excellent. He's the guy we should be focused on.

That's good to hear.

 

[Rain man]

The sixers aren't looking too bad anymore.

Other than Noel, and a rookie Okafor with zero NBA minutes, which rotation players in Philly are not below average?

Canaan and Covington put up okay numbers because they got 35 minutes a night. Neither is more than a deep bencher (maybe Cov is a top 8-9 rotation guy on a playoff team). Wroten is good at driving and gambling on D. He is woeful at everything else. Who else has a prayer of being a legit player on that roster. JT? Who else?

 

[sdballer]

Alex KennedyVerified account‏@AlexKennedyNBA
After missing on Monta Ellis and Wes Matthews, the Kings have had significant talks with Patrick Beverley. Sacramento has a lot of cap room.


Excellent. He's the guy we should be focused on.

I'd like Beverly as well, especially since he would probably less expensive than the other guys we've looked at. Him plus koufos and a couple shooters at the 2/3 and I think that's a solid offseason.

 

[SacKings384]

Patrick Beverly I actually like. He's not going to put us over the top into the playoffs or anything, but he's a good player that can mold into any system. No thank you on Lou Williams/Josh Smith.

 

[John Galt]

Sixers could eke into a 8 seed with 38 wins, and swap places with lotto kings with 38 wins. absolutely could happen and could sting really bad when it does.

I still support the trade tho. Bottom line to me is that those three guys were non-contributors. Yes JT played some minutes but only because somebody had to - you have to have 5 guys take the court.

So even if we still suck, and the sixers are good, and they rape us on the pick swap. Oh well, can't win em all - it doesn't kill the franchise dead.

 

[steelevt]

Alex KennedyVerified account‏@AlexKennedyNBA
After missing on Monta Ellis and Wes Matthews, the Kings have had significant talks with Patrick Beverley. Sacramento has a lot of cap room.


Excellent. He's the guy we should be focused on.

I'm assuming everyone that wants Beverly wants him as a backup of right? Is he gonna leave the starting spot in Houston to backup in sac?

 

[funkykingston]

http://nba.derekbodner.com/2015/07/02/sixers-acquire-nik-stauskas-1st-round-pick-from-kings/

Reading that article just adds to my belief that the Kings should have hired Hinkie as GM.

 

[JLoss22]

Reading that article just adds to my belief that the Kings should have hired Hinkie as GM.

He would have been fired by now anyways. He basically has a guaranteed 5 years in Philly.