Kings and free agency - part 2

Hey what ever happened to the possibility of Josh Smith? Still out there and that would make our big rotation potent. Cousins/Josh Smith/Trill/Moreland would be a sweet rotation. Quite a lot of guards out there that seem pretty interesting; adding Stuckey or Lin, or even Barbosa to the back court sound like solid upgrades.
So upgrading our team beyond the draft pick involves swapping JT/Landry/Stauskus for Jsmoove and Stuckey? yuck.
 
Davis lee haha stop it.

Fix the bench we in the playoffs:

Lou: 8mill
Koufos: 9mill
Brewer: 7mill

Those 3 are a very good bench with scoring punch and defenders
Can't make Lou Williams your PG: he's an uncontrollable chucker and needs to be kept in check by another ballhandler. Plus he's expected PG off the bench in Toronto.
 
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How many times do I have to go over this?

We traded those 3 players AND a 2018 (or potentially 2019 if Bulls get our 2017 pick) 1st round pick AND the right to swap picks in the next two drafts. Stop looking at just the players we traded. The draft is our future. Or was our future. Every single small market team has built from smart trades and the draft. They hardly EVER sign big fish. You sign role players to surround those big fish that you trade for or drafted.
If our first rounder in 2018 is still a lottery pick we would have been in deep trouble regardless. Lost Cousins FOR SURE.

Pick is only swapped in one of those two drafts... and maybe none, if philly's pick is better. And again, if our picks are better than Philly's in any of those years, we will have failed catastrophically anyway, and Cousins likely will have been gone.
 
That literally makes zero sense.

You've decided to lump the opposing sides/everyone together and say "you can't have it both ways".
Reading is fundamental. Not sure where you're getting lost. I didn't lump everyone together. I simply said that some of the fans that were complaining about the possibility of signing Matthews -- for some of the reasons you just stated -- are now bashing the Kings because it didn't work out. Some on this site, some on other sites and some on the radio. While you'd think they'd be happy, they have to have something to ***** about.
 
If our first rounder in 2018 is still a lottery pick we would have been in deep trouble regardless. Lost Cousins FOR SURE.

Pick is only swapped in one of those two drafts... and maybe none, if philly's pick is better. And again, if our picks are better than Philly's in any of those years, we will have failed catastrophically anyway, and Cousins likely will have been gone.
So the basics of that argument is that if we are sucking for the next couple years, we might as well lose assets that would help us not suck for the couple years after?
 
I understand that. I'm only saying make your moves cautiously and not for the sake of making them to appease Cousins whether the pieces fit or not.
Look at the move aside from any of that drama. Look at it as it's own entity... simply: was it a good move.

My answer is that it was a fantastic move. I'm just disappointed I didn't think of it!
 
I understand your logic. But given the opportunity, you still gotta do it. Even the odds are not in our favor, you don't win if you don't play. You lose out on 100% of the free agents you don't try to sign.
and... if your going to pull a risky move like that... would you want to feel it out by talking to agents/players prior to executing a move like that? would portland be willing to do a S&T w/ wes for nik/JT or landry?

seems we are left w/ a bunch of capspace, current/future assets depleted.

what is next? are we scrambling to sign any player just so we don't look like f'ng idiots, yet, again?

if rondo our last target doesn't come that means high salary FA targets didn't want to join the most stable work environment in the nba.
 
I don't know how serious I should take this conversation after that...

That's essentially saying, because I lost a bet on horses 5 years ago listening to my uncle's tips, I'm never going to bet horses again.
No, the lesson should be, you shouldn't listen to your uncle's tips next time you bet on horses.
 
So the basics of that argument is that if we are sucking for the next couple years, we might as well lose assets that would help us not suck for the couple years after?
No, my basis is you have to give up SOMETHING to gain some kind of value. The value of 14 mil in capspace this offseason is significantly more skillfully applicable given our current situation than a first round pick in 2018.
 

kingsboi

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Look at the move aside from any of that drama. Look at it as it's own entity... simply: was it a good move.

My answer is that it was a fantastic move. I'm just disappointed I didn't think of it!
I'd consider it a good move all depending on how they use the cap space given to them.
 
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How many times do I have to go over this?

We traded those 3 players AND a 2018 (or potentially 2019 if Bulls get our 2017 pick) 1st round pick AND the right to swap picks in the next two drafts. Stop looking at just the players we traded. The draft is our future. Or was our future. Every single small market team has built from smart trades and the draft. They hardly EVER sign big fish. You sign role players to surround those big fish that you trade for or drafted.
I think the point is that the Kings already have the "Big Fish". DeMarcus is an All Star Center and Rudy is one of the better SF's in the NBA. Add in Darren, Ben and Trill and that is a nice starting 5. Vlade has 27 M to sign or trade for players who can spell those 5 or possibly start.

Remember when Vlade said Coach Karl needs to trust him? Well I think us Fans need to show Vlade a little trust also:)
 
Wasn't Breton the first to call out the maloofs as frauds? he got grilled just like he's getting grilled now but honestly I cant argue against him, we are run by a guy who just does not get it.

This could be an epic mess that could cost us Cousins and cause another decade long rebuild.
 
If our first rounder in 2018 is still a lottery pick we would have been in deep trouble regardless. Lost Cousins FOR SURE.

Pick is only swapped in one of those two drafts... and maybe none, if philly's pick is better. And again, if our picks are better than Philly's in any of those years, we will have failed catastrophically anyway, and Cousins likely will have been gone.
No, they have the right to swap in both drafts, 2016 and 2017. It's not either or. It's both. What happens if we finish with the 10th spot in the draft and get a top 3 pick by the ping pongs? Still going to defend this trade as no risk?
 
No, my basis is you have to give up SOMETHING to gain some kind of value. The value of 14 mil in capspace this offseason is significantly more skillfully applicable given our current situation than a first round pick in 2018.
a top 3 pick with bonafied studs? if cousins does force his way our we're totally f'd as a franchise. we're f'd now but we'd be worse off. maybe on the new york knicks level where they burned off all their assets.
 

pdxKingsFan

So Ordinary That It's Truly Quite Extraordinary
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This team has been cautious, think small for far too long. Even if the result was the same this isn't Iggy 2.0 because there's still plenty of ways to make this team better with the space we've cleared. The core is intact, we aren't tossing a Reke or even an IT aside here. Nobody we lost is unique in any way. Hopefully if we can't sign guys that will impact the team we don't make poor moves that will harm us next year. We can be players at the trade deadline. Maybe give a guy a huge one year deal if we have to. Plenty more shenanigans will be going on over the next 12 months.
 
Props to Vlade and co for at trying. But, IMO, we just dodged a bullet there.
Affalo was nice at $16M for 2 years. But $16M per year for a guy with almost same skillset as Affalo just would not make sense to me.

My suggestion for Vlade is to use his money to sign 3 players (1 at $11M, 1 at $10M, and another at $5M)
If DMC ($14M per)is your franchise player, his supporting cast should be nowhere near $14M.
That would make your franchise player happy.

Few wing players we should look into are: Lou Williasm, Mo Williams, Shved (nice stint in NY), Belinelli, Ben Gordon(bench vet), KJ McDaniels and J-Rich (bench vet).
Big men: Big Baby Davis, McGee, Elton Brand (bench vet), Charlie V. (vet min), Bargniani (probably nice piece to entice other Italian like Belinilli).
 
I'd consider it a good move all depending on how they use the cap space given to them.
Fair point.

If it results in one or more players better than any of the three we gave up, to me it was worth it. We have to consolidate our chips into talent and fit. This allows us to do that. I think it would be pretty hard not to do that if you're trying. And Vivek "golden touch" Ranadive is not in the room.