Cousins trade rumors (the sequel)
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I don't think anyone is going to feel that way until Cuz is still with us at training camp. Until then we'll still "have been having talks" and "discussing frameworks". What I said yesterday about those sorts of rumors, you can't actually prove them wrong, so they are the easiest to make up and easiest to escape from if nothing happens.
Unfortunately, that's the truth, no one here is going to feel comfortable until Cousins is back here and we see him working with Karl, until then this feud will continue and the extent of it will be determined by how busy the media happens to be at a given time.
I think everyone should good about this after last night though. The pick of Cauley-Stein ensures that Cousins will be staying here, in my opinion. He is the perfect complement to him and if Cousins wasn't going to be here I think we take a potentially much more impactful player on both sides of the floor.
I think everyone should good about this after last night though. The pick of Cauley-Stein ensures that Cousins will be staying here, in my opinion. He is the perfect complement to him and if Cousins wasn't going to be here I think we take a potentially much more impactful player on both sides of the floor.
At this point, we have to count on Vlade to really be the mediator and get boogie and Karl on the same page.
Vlade said he is hopeful, that means he is not even sure he can fix it. But there is a chance and Vlade is the guy you want to be handling this.
If it doesn't work out, Karl is getting fired or they will say he resigns. Vlade is not going to pick Karl over Cuz.
Vlade said he is hopeful, that means he is not even sure he can fix it. But there is a chance and Vlade is the guy you want to be handling this.
If it doesn't work out, Karl is getting fired or they will say he resigns. Vlade is not going to pick Karl over Cuz.
How was he exposed? What was exposed was there's issues between Karl and Cuz, likely serious and Vlade confirmed that yesterday by saying he "hopes they can work together". It was also exposed there's issues between Karl and Vlade which Vlade also confirmed yesterday.
As for trade talks, that too makes sense although it was likely more from the Lakers end. Not trading Cuz yesterday doesn't expose Woj as being incorrect. He never claimed Cuz would be traded on draft day.
Anyone paying attention realizes the issues between Karl and Cuz/Vlade are at best on hold while Vlade attempts to fix it. I'd also say, reading between the lines that Vlade issued Karl a public ultimatum yesterday, essentially shut the hell up and do your job, stop making mine so difficult or you're gone.
As for trade talks, that too makes sense although it was likely more from the Lakers end. Not trading Cuz yesterday doesn't expose Woj as being incorrect. He never claimed Cuz would be traded on draft day.
Anyone paying attention realizes the issues between Karl and Cuz/Vlade are at best on hold while Vlade attempts to fix it. I'd also say, reading between the lines that Vlade issued Karl a public ultimatum yesterday, essentially shut the hell up and do your job, stop making mine so difficult or you're gone.
Carmichael Dave was on Periscope last night, addressing this very problem. What he said was that Woj gets the factual stuff because he works with the agents (like Dan Fegan) when they want to put something out for their own benefit. Because Woj does this, the agents (or others promoting an agenda) reward him with info on imminent trades, free agency decisions, etc. I know this is true, and I know Woj isn't the only one. There are legitimate writers (Sam Amick is one) who do NOT trade future scoops for their integrity.
In this case, Woj was used in an attempt by Dan Fegan to create chaos and apparently force Vlade into making a deal. Vlade stood firm, however, and now Woj looks the fool.
In this case, Woj was used in an attempt by Dan Fegan to create chaos and apparently force Vlade into making a deal. Vlade stood firm, however, and now Woj looks the fool.
Woj wasn't wrong.
Mitch calls Vlade, offers #2 and some scrub kid for Boogie.
Vlade counters back by demanding every last asset the Lakers have, and telling them to take our garbage out (Landry).
Vlade knew there was no way in hell the Lakers make that trade. It also sends the message out to other GMs that even though he's new in his position, he isn't some newbie to be grifted.
So yes, technically "the framework of a trade" was discussed. Never mind that Vlade's counter offer was nothing but a big middle finger to the Lakers.
Mitch calls Vlade, offers #2 and some scrub kid for Boogie.
Vlade counters back by demanding every last asset the Lakers have, and telling them to take our garbage out (Landry).
Vlade knew there was no way in hell the Lakers make that trade. It also sends the message out to other GMs that even though he's new in his position, he isn't some newbie to be grifted.
So yes, technically "the framework of a trade" was discussed. Never mind that Vlade's counter offer was nothing but a big middle finger to the Lakers.
Actually, I'd say Vlade saying other teams treat him as a rookie and approach him with "bad deals" is him referring, at least in part to the Lakers approach.
Woj actually hasn't been incorrect about anything.
LA discussing framework of a deal? Check. Cuz not wanting to play for Karl? Likely. Kings gauging interest around the league for Cuz? Hasn't been proven right or wrong. Issues between Karl/Vlade? Check. Karl looking to trade Cuz? I'd lean towards yes based on his comments, him declining to refute it and dancing around the question and Vlade's comments on Karl.
Cuz not being traded yet doesn't disprove any of this. Woj never claimed Cuz would be traded yesterday. Everything else stacks up.
Woj actually hasn't been incorrect about anything.
LA discussing framework of a deal? Check. Cuz not wanting to play for Karl? Likely. Kings gauging interest around the league for Cuz? Hasn't been proven right or wrong. Issues between Karl/Vlade? Check. Karl looking to trade Cuz? I'd lean towards yes based on his comments, him declining to refute it and dancing around the question and Vlade's comments on Karl.
Cuz not being traded yet doesn't disprove any of this. Woj never claimed Cuz would be traded yesterday. Everything else stacks up.
I hope you are right.
But what if Cousins' camp persistently insists that Cousins get traded or Cousins himself secretly wants to play for the Lakers?
What if the Lakers are willing to give up everything for Cousins?
Russell-Randell seems like a perfect personnel for Karl's system.
Will Vlade be able to resist the temptation of getting at least something for a seemingly determined-to-leave Cousins?
But what if Cousins' camp persistently insists that Cousins get traded or Cousins himself secretly wants to play for the Lakers?
What if the Lakers are willing to give up everything for Cousins?
Russell-Randell seems like a perfect personnel for Karl's system.
Will Vlade be able to resist the temptation of getting at least something for a seemingly determined-to-leave Cousins?
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Could be interesting but i doubt he has any real news, probably just speculation based on his trust in Vlade, and the drafting of a KU guy that Boogie likes
And definitely worth tuning in at 4:30 to hear Vlade
Grant Napear @GrantNapearshow 14m
Today at 3 I'll tell you why the future is bright for Cousins here in Sactown! Plus Vlade Divac at 4:30. @KHTKSports1140
And definitely worth tuning in at 4:30 to hear Vlade
Grant Napear @GrantNapearshow 14m
Today at 3 I'll tell you why the future is bright for Cousins here in Sactown! Plus Vlade Divac at 4:30. @KHTKSports1140
I don't think the Lakers are in play for Cousins anymore. They've made their pick and have already started to sell him as possibly the guy that takes the torch from Kobe. With each day that Russell is paraded around as the newest lakers star, it makes it that much more difficult to trade him before he even plays a game.
Ideally for the lakers, they would have to agree to some deal with the Kings so the Kings pick their guy. The Kings might have picked Russell too but you know where I'm getting at. Right now, it looks like the lakers are moving forward with Russell and focusing on signing Aldridge or Love or some other big like Monroe.
The Cousins deal seemed like something that if it's going to happen, it had to happen on draft day. It's really not worth the trouble at some point.
I hope you are right, but you never know...
Haha. That was an unique situation though since having LeBron gives the Cavs a chance to win right now. The lakers are nowhere near that and frankly, I think the Wolves won big on that deal. Love was on the last year of his contract and they still got Wiggins out of it. Wiggins is going to be a star and I honestly think the Cavs now regret that deal.
Vlade knows his stuff and he is not going to trade Boogie for just the #2. He basically asked for all lakers assets and the lakers are reluctant to even offer Clarkson in addition to the #2. The deal is too far off from the 2 sides and it's actually better for the lakers to rebuild with Russell, Randle and possible FAs. And there is no point for the lakers to jump into it giving up major assets as they don't have a LeBron that can give them a chance to win now.
Bill HerendaVerified account @billherenda
Vibe in Cousins camp is that it boils down to a communication issue in Sac that is expected to be addressed soon #Kings #NBA
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As I said on Twitter, Ah the difference a day - and a Divac - can make.
Vibe in Cousins camp is that it boils down to a communication issue in Sac that is expected to be addressed soon #Kings #NBA
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As I said on Twitter, Ah the difference a day - and a Divac - can make.
