fair enough. one thing to keep in mind, though, is that vlade divac was answering a question on-the-spot after a long (and likely exhausting) 72 hours in which his mettle as a new front office executive was being tested. throw on top of that the fact that vlade's first language isn't english, and i don't think it's a stretch to believe that his wording may not have been precise, and that it may not be terribly useful to treat his wording as if it came from a great orator who was delivering a carefully-constructed speech. it seemed to me that vlade was simply saying that he felt he couldn't judge mudiay effectively without a greater and more comparable body of work with which to judge him, because there just isn't a lot to judge beyond mudiay's physical gifts and his clear drive/love of the game...
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Arguably, those games mean NOTHING.
China's defense is a joke, so those games are completely unrepresentative of how he would play in the NBA.
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/want-sixers-draft-mudiay-his-cba-stats-may-be-misleading
All the high school footage is of him playing against boys (and exploiting the physical advantages he won't have over NBA players).
Your arguments for him are falling flat, and you've seriously over-exaggerated the supporting evidence for Mudiay's real level of play.
China's defense is a joke, so those games are completely unrepresentative of how he would play in the NBA.
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/want-sixers-draft-mudiay-his-cba-stats-may-be-misleading
All the high school footage is of him playing against boys (and exploiting the physical advantages he won't have over NBA players).
Your arguments for him are falling flat, and you've seriously over-exaggerated the supporting evidence for Mudiay's real level of play.
I've acknowledged that other people have different opinions than I do. That doesn't make me wrong. 
In the "who would you draft" poll only 1 other person on this board wanted Stanley Johnson at #6. If this had been reversed and we actually picked Stanley Johnson just as many people would be disagreeing with me now only I'd be the one saying "Y'all are crazy, that was a great pick". It is what it is. I also thought it was fair to point out that the reason Vlade made or didn't make a particular pick is just as important as the pick itself. Especially if he's going to be making the decisions for us for a long time.
In the "who would you draft" poll only 1 other person on this board wanted Stanley Johnson at #6. If this had been reversed and we actually picked Stanley Johnson just as many people would be disagreeing with me now only I'd be the one saying "Y'all are crazy, that was a great pick". It is what it is. I also thought it was fair to point out that the reason Vlade made or didn't make a particular pick is just as important as the pick itself. Especially if he's going to be making the decisions for us for a long time.Carmichael Dave was asked about Webb's assessment of WCS on Periscope last night. CD had one thing to say, "Webber's a fraud."
I loved C-Webb while he was here and afterwards, right up until the crapstorms started with all the various potential owner groups shuffling for position. I think Webb still adores the fan base, but there's no love lost between him and our current ownership.
I loved C-Webb while he was here and afterwards, right up until the crapstorms started with all the various potential owner groups shuffling for position. I think Webb still adores the fan base, but there's no love lost between him and our current ownership.
Did Mudiay workout for Denver? I believe he worked out for a few of the top teams. He was projected 3rd or 4th just a few months ago. He slid (rightfully so IMO) past the teams that worked him out. Now, some of them may have just thought the player they picked was better, or they didn't believe he was this potential All Star that he is being portrayed. Point is, we have no idea, and neither did Vlade. His information was probably not much better than what ours was from watching DX videos.
Those three All-Star games were playing with and against the exact players in this draft: Towns, Okafor, Russell, Johnson, Winslow, Turner, Lyles, Booker, Oubre. You say the CBA is a joke, but those players at least aren't boys. I agree it's a huge step down in level of competition from any of the European leagues. The NCAA though? It's debatable. All the best talent in the NCAA leaves after one or two years for the draft. The top 17 picks this year featured 1 senior, 1 junior, 3 international teenagers, and 12 underclassmen. Had he gone to the NCAA he would have been competing against the same players he did in the HS All-Star games plus a bunch of upperclassmen who have no NBA career in their future. It's not as big of a talent gap as you're making it out to be. There's a reason Coach Cal wins almost every year with a roster full of blue-chip freshmen.
Falling on deaf ears is a more accurate description. But then I don't actually expect anyone to change their mind because of what I say. I've articulated my stance as best I could. You'll change your mind only after you see these guys play in the NBA.
Falling on deaf ears is a more accurate description.
But then I don't actually expect anyone to change their mind because of what I say. I've articulated my stance as best I could. You'll change your mind only after you see these guys play in the NBA.
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http://www.nata.org/sites/default/files/SickleCellTraitAndTheAthlete.pdf
Read it.
He's already experience it in 2013.
Read it.
He's already experience it in 2013.
Seconded. But I also want to add:
With the #6, the Kings should be looking at selecting whoever gives the team the most holistic value. That means looking at the context of the *entire* team before making a decision. It may turn out to be that Cauley-Stein is not the best player available at #6, but still gives the team the most value when considering the situation the entire franchise is in.
Let me illustrate. Lets say that the Kings take Mudiay. He’s not going to be ready to run the Kings day one. He’s just not. He’s a high school kid who played a few games against mediocre competition in China. He’s going to have growing pains. He’s going to make mistakes. NBA teams are going to exploit his weaknesses when he has the ball more aggressively than he’s ever experienced before.
Lets face it: Cousins and Karl are on thin ice together. Vlade is determined to stay the course and have coach and star work it out. They HAVE to win now. Just have to. If they don’t, Boogie will be gone, Karl may be gone, and the Kings are razed to ground zero. Boogie-type talents don’t grow on trees.
So, even in the BEST case scenario, and Mudiay eventually becomes an All-Star, he won’t help the team as a rookie as much as a win-now prospect. The Kings will have an All-Star guard, but the All-NBA center and Hall of Fame coach are gone. That’s a net negative.
Contrast that to if the Kings take Cauley-Stein and he helps the team win more games year one. Winning calms the Boogie/Karl tempest and the team has a future together. Cauley-Stein may not be the same caliber of player as Mudiay, but they keep their franchise center and coach.
And this is Mudiay’s best case scenario. Forget about if he flat out busts. Its over.
This is it. It’s the final countdown for Boogie in Sacramento. Vlade needs it to work now, or it will be over for good. The #6 should be single-mindedly spent in achieving that goal.
With the #6, the Kings should be looking at selecting whoever gives the team the most holistic value. That means looking at the context of the *entire* team before making a decision. It may turn out to be that Cauley-Stein is not the best player available at #6, but still gives the team the most value when considering the situation the entire franchise is in.
Let me illustrate. Lets say that the Kings take Mudiay. He’s not going to be ready to run the Kings day one. He’s just not. He’s a high school kid who played a few games against mediocre competition in China. He’s going to have growing pains. He’s going to make mistakes. NBA teams are going to exploit his weaknesses when he has the ball more aggressively than he’s ever experienced before.
Lets face it: Cousins and Karl are on thin ice together. Vlade is determined to stay the course and have coach and star work it out. They HAVE to win now. Just have to. If they don’t, Boogie will be gone, Karl may be gone, and the Kings are razed to ground zero. Boogie-type talents don’t grow on trees.
So, even in the BEST case scenario, and Mudiay eventually becomes an All-Star, he won’t help the team as a rookie as much as a win-now prospect. The Kings will have an All-Star guard, but the All-NBA center and Hall of Fame coach are gone. That’s a net negative.
Contrast that to if the Kings take Cauley-Stein and he helps the team win more games year one. Winning calms the Boogie/Karl tempest and the team has a future together. Cauley-Stein may not be the same caliber of player as Mudiay, but they keep their franchise center and coach.
And this is Mudiay’s best case scenario. Forget about if he flat out busts. Its over.
This is it. It’s the final countdown for Boogie in Sacramento. Vlade needs it to work now, or it will be over for good. The #6 should be single-mindedly spent in achieving that goal.
The Kings probably had their draft board in order like this: WCS, WINSLOW, MUDIAY
This is factoring in everything they've seen and heard about all 3 players.
They obviously had their order like that and they just didn't rank Mudiay that high.
They wanted to bring in Mudiay to see if he would be able to surpass WCS or Winslow on their draft board.
The Kings did not get a chance to workout Mudiay.
Therefor, Mudiay stayed exactly where he was on their draftboard.
The Kings proceeded to draft their #1 guy on their draftboard.
The Kings drafted WCS.
I think that's the simplest way I can put his.
This is factoring in everything they've seen and heard about all 3 players.
They obviously had their order like that and they just didn't rank Mudiay that high.
They wanted to bring in Mudiay to see if he would be able to surpass WCS or Winslow on their draft board.
The Kings did not get a chance to workout Mudiay.
Therefor, Mudiay stayed exactly where he was on their draftboard.
The Kings proceeded to draft their #1 guy on their draftboard.
The Kings drafted WCS.
I think that's the simplest way I can put his.
Of all people Brick, you're the last one I would expect to throw winning percentage at me as a qualifier of talent.
This was a pretty great rookie year by most people's standards. Kindof hit the wall there at the end, but what he did in March was really impressive.
This was a pretty great rookie year by most people's standards. Kindof hit the wall there at the end, but what he did in March was really impressive.