Fire Ty Corbin!
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I was wondering how long it would take this thread to appear.
Absent a clear upgrade, however, I don't see why you would do this. Yes, he's the substitute teacher. Yes, he's a clear downgrade from Malone (sorry, Vivek. OK, not really.) But, if we don't have the right guy (Mullin is not the right guy) lined up, then we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, and players will revolt. Kudos to them for holding it together as best they can.
Bring in Van Gundy. Bring in Karl. Get the **** out of the way. Otherwise, meh. I don't know what can be positively accomplished. You already have one sub. Why bring in another sub?
Absent a clear upgrade, however, I don't see why you would do this. Yes, he's the substitute teacher. Yes, he's a clear downgrade from Malone (sorry, Vivek. OK, not really.) But, if we don't have the right guy (Mullin is not the right guy) lined up, then we're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, and players will revolt. Kudos to them for holding it together as best they can.
Bring in Van Gundy. Bring in Karl. Get the **** out of the way. Otherwise, meh. I don't know what can be positively accomplished. You already have one sub. Why bring in another sub?
Season was done the second the fired Malone with no upgrade in place.
Firing another coach in the same situation would be just as shortsighted. Although with the season already wasted and the franchise set in reverse, does it matter?
They won't fire Corbin until after the season. He's a yes man. Blathering on about pace as if it had any relevancy whatsoever. The FO seems to be doubling down on the stupidity, come what may. 75% off tickets? Wait for sign lady to finally give up? What's next?
It'll be interesting to see how much further this thing can bottom out. For those that love a trainwreck, keep watching.
To equal Malone's record that was reached missing boogie for a good chunk, Corbin has to go 6-1 over the next 7. Good luck Ty!
Firing another coach in the same situation would be just as shortsighted. Although with the season already wasted and the franchise set in reverse, does it matter?
They won't fire Corbin until after the season. He's a yes man. Blathering on about pace as if it had any relevancy whatsoever. The FO seems to be doubling down on the stupidity, come what may. 75% off tickets? Wait for sign lady to finally give up? What's next?
It'll be interesting to see how much further this thing can bottom out. For those that love a trainwreck, keep watching.
To equal Malone's record that was reached missing boogie for a good chunk, Corbin has to go 6-1 over the next 7. Good luck Ty!
The problem with firing Corbin is the same as the problem with firing Malone. If you aren't bringing in a better coach it will only hurt the team. If they were going to bring in Karl or JVG etc it would have happened already.
It's why over a month later I find the decision to part with Mike Malone befuddling. What exactly did Ranadive/D'Alessandro actually expect to happen? And why fire the guy in December instead of at the end of the season?
It's why over a month later I find the decision to part with Mike Malone befuddling. What exactly did Ranadive/D'Alessandro actually expect to happen? And why fire the guy in December instead of at the end of the season?
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We have to hope that Vivek's intelligence allows for criticism of himself. When Malone was fired, he somehow came to the conclusion that Corbin was a better coach. He was wrong. Who knows, we may have given up on the next great coach. If he can distance himself from his pride and analyze what has happened and continues to happen, he will come to the conclusion that his self announced management style was correct all along. He needs to hire people more intelligent than he is and then get out of the way. I don't care if he ever figures out why he was wrong about Corbin and Malone. I just want him to understand that he was wrong and running a basketball team should be put in the hands of others.
Unfortunately I get this sense that he thinks he knows more than the people who have perfected this game since Naismith hung some crates and invented the game. He seems hell bent on proving his superiority. One would think that by now he would know that he is not superior than the people who have made a life long living in basketball.
Step aside Mr. Ranadive and watch a great team unfold.
Unfortunately I get this sense that he thinks he knows more than the people who have perfected this game since Naismith hung some crates and invented the game. He seems hell bent on proving his superiority. One would think that by now he would know that he is not superior than the people who have made a life long living in basketball.
Step aside Mr. Ranadive and watch a great team unfold.
I'm frustrated so I would agree with firing Ty Corbin. See here is my deal. I like Mike Malone and think he is a very good young Coach. All this philosophical difference BS originated with Mullin and PDA IMO. If I had my way I would fire PDA and Mullin and bring back Malone. If Malone would not come back I would go after Jeff Van Gundy or George Karl. One thing is for sure. Before I fired ANYONE I would have a solid replacement lined up.
When Corbin first took over HC duties I felt sorry for him. After watching him coach for awhile I like him less as I don't like his style. I liked the Khaki shorts wearing SL coach. I liked him as an assistant to Malone. But I do not like Ty Corbin as Head Coach of the Kings.
I heard Grant on the radio yesterday telling Kings Fans to get over the Malone firing. I wonder if he would think the same way if he had been fired after doing a pretty good job?
When Corbin first took over HC duties I felt sorry for him. After watching him coach for awhile I like him less as I don't like his style. I liked the Khaki shorts wearing SL coach. I liked him as an assistant to Malone. But I do not like Ty Corbin as Head Coach of the Kings.
I heard Grant on the radio yesterday telling Kings Fans to get over the Malone firing. I wonder if he would think the same way if he had been fired after doing a pretty good job?
The funny thing is our best 4 players have been playing closer and closer to 40 mins per game in what seems like a desperate Pete trying to squeek out a few wins in order to show some signs that his plan/phillosophy is working but with the losses piling up the skeptisism in the FO might be growing too. Good the more losses the better, this gimmick stuff is never going to work the faster PDA is pushed out the better.
He's already fired. Just a question of whether the axe falls now, or 40 games from now.
The real question becomes who comes next? Tom Thibodeau should come next. Jeff Van Gundy should come next. Chris Mullin or some other rookie experiment should NOT come next. A run n gun coach should NOT come next. Management's stupidity has thrown us right back into Maloof bunker thinking: sure, Petrie wasn't getting the job done. But given who was hiring his replacement, things could get much worse. Well, here we are again with the same problem. Franchise's struggle from the top down, not the other way around.
The real question becomes who comes next? Tom Thibodeau should come next. Jeff Van Gundy should come next. Chris Mullin or some other rookie experiment should NOT come next. A run n gun coach should NOT come next. Management's stupidity has thrown us right back into Maloof bunker thinking: sure, Petrie wasn't getting the job done. But given who was hiring his replacement, things could get much worse. Well, here we are again with the same problem. Franchise's struggle from the top down, not the other way around.
And what happens is Nik stinks up the court? Will people embrace Corbin, saying at least he's trying to develop the kid? This whole thing is a crapstorm right now. It's not going to help anybody to toss Nik out there into the deep water when he can barely tread water at this point.
If they want to help Nik (and him being a lottery pick at this point is beyond irrelevant), they need to send him down to the D-League where he will get about a bazillion chances to get his shot back.
Firing Ty Corbin at this point is not going to solve any of our long-term problems. The front office has made it clear they're keeping him around for the rest of the season while they conduct an in-depth and exhaustive search for the next HC. We may not like it, but it does make better sense than simply firing any coach who does not immediately turn this team around.
If they want to help Nik (and him being a lottery pick at this point is beyond irrelevant), they need to send him down to the D-League where he will get about a bazillion chances to get his shot back.
Firing Ty Corbin at this point is not going to solve any of our long-term problems. The front office has made it clear they're keeping him around for the rest of the season while they conduct an in-depth and exhaustive search for the next HC. We may not like it, but it does make better sense than simply firing any coach who does not immediately turn this team around.
This is where I have faith.
I ‘m pretty sure that people like Ranadive don’t get to where they are by making mistakes and then run around saying oh poor me what do I do, what do I do. These guys know how to learn from their mistakes and create success. We may have to live with some poor judgment calls, experimentation and ego in the short run, but I believe sooner rather than later we will see much a better basketball team than we’ve seen in the past ten years. Unlike the Maloofs this owner is a successful and savvy business person that actually cares about building and maintaining a quality franchise. It’s difficult to get past the current circumstances but I’m still willing to sit back and let this thing play out.
I ‘m pretty sure that people like Ranadive don’t get to where they are by making mistakes and then run around saying oh poor me what do I do, what do I do. These guys know how to learn from their mistakes and create success. We may have to live with some poor judgment calls, experimentation and ego in the short run, but I believe sooner rather than later we will see much a better basketball team than we’ve seen in the past ten years. Unlike the Maloofs this owner is a successful and savvy business person that actually cares about building and maintaining a quality franchise. It’s difficult to get past the current circumstances but I’m still willing to sit back and let this thing play out.
I opposed the firing of Malone because it was a disruption to team chemistry on the defensive end. I oppose firing Corbin because it would be inefficient. This season has been over for the Kings for about four weeks now. I would prefer that the team keep the pick it owes to Chicago this year, and keeping Corbin helps reach that goal. Firing him means the team still has to pay him, adds to the narrative of dysfunction for the team and risks turning off your players even more than they are to this point. We are beyond the point in the season where hiring a good coach will have any salient effect. Do it in the offseason and try to win the fans back with a winning product next year.
That's not fair. Grant put his career on the line with his rant that started the whole PDA on the radio thing. I'm sure he was being honest - you could hear it in his voice.
Grant was right. People do need to get over the Malone firing, just like we had to get over the Webber trade. It's done. Malone isn't coming back.
And this thing about Malone doing a pretty good job? Read our old game threads. How many of us (me included) were furious with Malone a lot of times for ridiculous substitutions, waiting way too long to get our starters back on the court, drawing up stupid end-of-game plays that always involved Rudy on an iso, etc. Malone's only real strength was that he got the guys to buy into playing some defense but at what cost? There were still turnovers, there were still a lot of blown plays, there were still times when you wanted to throw things at your TV in frustration.
Malone did create a rapport with his players, but it took him a year to do it. Remember, he was the coach last year and we won 28 games. Malone was never going to be Rick Adelman. We supported him and applauded him primarily because he understood the importance of defense. Unfortunately, it was becoming pretty clear he didn't know how to close out games and his management of player minutes, etc. was always in question.
So let's not build the statue to Mike Malone quite yet. And let's not be quite so quick to turn on Napear. He drives me nuts at times, too, but I don't know of too many broadcast guys who would go on their own radio show and call out management the way he did without being in the unemployment line the next morning.
Grant was right. People do need to get over the Malone firing, just like we had to get over the Webber trade. It's done. Malone isn't coming back.
And this thing about Malone doing a pretty good job? Read our old game threads. How many of us (me included) were furious with Malone a lot of times for ridiculous substitutions, waiting way too long to get our starters back on the court, drawing up stupid end-of-game plays that always involved Rudy on an iso, etc. Malone's only real strength was that he got the guys to buy into playing some defense but at what cost? There were still turnovers, there were still a lot of blown plays, there were still times when you wanted to throw things at your TV in frustration.
Malone did create a rapport with his players, but it took him a year to do it. Remember, he was the coach last year and we won 28 games. Malone was never going to be Rick Adelman. We supported him and applauded him primarily because he understood the importance of defense. Unfortunately, it was becoming pretty clear he didn't know how to close out games and his management of player minutes, etc. was always in question.
So let's not build the statue to Mike Malone quite yet. And let's not be quite so quick to turn on Napear. He drives me nuts at times, too, but I don't know of too many broadcast guys who would go on their own radio show and call out management the way he did without being in the unemployment line the next morning.
You have a similar problem as Grant. His is more cynical/protecting of his own ass, but over time your inherent homer forces you to accept anything the Kings do and make excuses for it. But very little the Kings have done for a very long time is actually excusable. Which is why we have been the least successful team in the NBA for nearly a decade. Its not because we have made good moves.
And no, I never forgave the Maloofs for Adelman or Webber, nor should anybody.
And no, I am not going to "get over firing Malone" because it was stupid and damaging and destroyed a season. Its risked more than that because Cousins doesn't need us anymore. The perpetrators need to continue to experience humiliation and financial pain right up until the point they correct things, and probably more importantly correct their defective philosophy.
As an aside, Mike Malone was a +.500 coach for us whenever he was given a chance to. He didn't win 28 games last year. Management won 28 games last year floating through 23 different players, making major in season trades, insisting on playing kids, intentionally creating roster imbalances and refusing to correct them. What Malone did do was play .500 ball when Cuz/Rudy/IT were all available to him. And he was doing better than that this year before he lost his main guy again. Rick Adelman himself did no better in his last few years in Minny. Creating a rapport with your players IS coaching in the NBA. Malone is going to be somebody's winning coach given the right situation.
And no, I never forgave the Maloofs for Adelman or Webber, nor should anybody.
And no, I am not going to "get over firing Malone" because it was stupid and damaging and destroyed a season. Its risked more than that because Cousins doesn't need us anymore. The perpetrators need to continue to experience humiliation and financial pain right up until the point they correct things, and probably more importantly correct their defective philosophy.
As an aside, Mike Malone was a +.500 coach for us whenever he was given a chance to. He didn't win 28 games last year. Management won 28 games last year floating through 23 different players, making major in season trades, insisting on playing kids, intentionally creating roster imbalances and refusing to correct them. What Malone did do was play .500 ball when Cuz/Rudy/IT were all available to him. And he was doing better than that this year before he lost his main guy again. Rick Adelman himself did no better in his last few years in Minny. Creating a rapport with your players IS coaching in the NBA. Malone is going to be somebody's winning coach given the right situation.
I fully back Ty Corbin and I hope that he makes the very best of the chance he was given. The FO saw something in him that made them willing to take a chance with him. It seems like most labeled him a failure the day he got the job. It would be awesome if he proved his doubters wrong.
Btw, this season is not a failure or has not been destroyed by the FO. It was doubtful that we were going to make the playoffs before DMC got sick and it was very doubtful once he did get sick - with or without Malone. It looks like it could take a 50 win season to hit the 8th seed. How likely would it be for us to win 50 games with DMC missing as many games as he already has?
Plus, any season that the Kings are playing in Sactown is not a failed season.
I did not agree with the Malone firing either. However, I have moved on with my Kings journey and still enjoy watching all the games - the good, the bad and the ugly.
Btw, this season is not a failure or has not been destroyed by the FO. It was doubtful that we were going to make the playoffs before DMC got sick and it was very doubtful once he did get sick - with or without Malone. It looks like it could take a 50 win season to hit the 8th seed. How likely would it be for us to win 50 games with DMC missing as many games as he already has?
Plus, any season that the Kings are playing in Sactown is not a failed season.
I did not agree with the Malone firing either. However, I have moved on with my Kings journey and still enjoy watching all the games - the good, the bad and the ugly.
This fan base is like the abused spouse who keeps coming back for more, making excuses when there aren't any left that make any sense. Yeah, I have a black eye, but they didn't mean to leave a bruise.
Corbin's rotations are better? You know what? That's NOT what coaching is about. The coach is a cheerleader. The coach gets effort. The rest? All can be learned. Getting support of the team as its leader is harder to get. Malone had that, and yeah it took a year.
How long do you think it'll be before the team gets behind another coach? Why start over? Heck, they haven't even started over. That'll come at some point with the next coach and it'll take another 1-2 years to just get back to where they were on dec 15th, 2014.
And bam, cousins is gone. Just like that. The clock as ticking and they hit reset again.
So no, I'm not going to get over it. We were winning. Now we're not. They ****ed this up beyond comprehension.
And I'm with brick, I blame the FO and PDA for the 28 win season last year, and this year's inevitable repeat. There has been no improvement on the court. None. It's the same as usual. They haven't won any more games than the Maloofs. They try to convince us how much better things are, but are they better? Seems like we are in the same situation as always. Just playing out a lost season with a supremely overmatched FO.
Corbin's rotations are better? You know what? That's NOT what coaching is about. The coach is a cheerleader. The coach gets effort. The rest? All can be learned. Getting support of the team as its leader is harder to get. Malone had that, and yeah it took a year.
How long do you think it'll be before the team gets behind another coach? Why start over? Heck, they haven't even started over. That'll come at some point with the next coach and it'll take another 1-2 years to just get back to where they were on dec 15th, 2014.
And bam, cousins is gone. Just like that. The clock as ticking and they hit reset again.
So no, I'm not going to get over it. We were winning. Now we're not. They ****ed this up beyond comprehension.
And I'm with brick, I blame the FO and PDA for the 28 win season last year, and this year's inevitable repeat. There has been no improvement on the court. None. It's the same as usual. They haven't won any more games than the Maloofs. They try to convince us how much better things are, but are they better? Seems like we are in the same situation as always. Just playing out a lost season with a supremely overmatched FO.