[Game] Game 30: Sacramento Kings vs. NY Knicks, 12/27/14. 7PM PST, 10PM EST

dude12

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The Cuz post game interview was very telling. He and other players are still trying to wrap their head around the Malone firing and I don't think they can. Trying to play a style that doesn't give them the best chance to win. I loved when Cuz did the finger quote " playing style" finger unquote in the interview....... he's being very professional in the interview.
 

Spike

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This is the type of **** I could see leading to me retiring my Kings colors for good.

I've been through a lot with this team. Far more bad than good. I can put up with a lot of BS but this crap might be the last straw as it's the type of crap which will see us lose Cuz and never be truly competitive.

BTW, it seems like PDA is taunting the fanbase. He knows damn well people are sick of the "pace" BS. This weasel needs to hit the curb.
This tweet was from November. We should have seen it coming...
 
End of 1st @renobighorns coach@DavidArseneault setting the pace!

Hey Peter.

You're ****ing clueless and you're about to lose this city. Time to wake the **** up and stop destroying this franchise.

Vivek, you've been snowed by a used car salesmen. You're smarter than this. Fire him now. Admit your mistakes and make it right. Make it right for this city. For the players. Remember, it's our team. Not that slimeball inbred piece of used jet trash.
 
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Mr. S£im Citrus

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I like how it's been pointed out, at least twice, that this was an old tweet, and yet people are still replying as though he made this tweet yesterday. Reno didn't even play Iowa last night. Who's trolling whom, again?

FYI, when he made that tweet, we were 6-4, and nobody here was giving a **** about the Bighorns.
 
I like how it's been pointed out, at least twice, that this was an old tweet, and yet people are still replying as though he made this tweet yesterday. Reno didn't even play Iowa last night. Who's trolling whom, again?

FYI, when he made that tweet, we were 6-4, and nobody here was giving a **** about the Bighorns.
Whenever he said it, it's still stupid.

And I remember it then. It was a scary sign of things to come.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
IIRC, Gentry turned down the job because they basically told him that they wanted to hire him with the intent of firing Malone mid-season, and Gentry thought that was a ***** move, and didn't want to have anything to do with it. So, yeah, I do still think it's a 'finger to the face' of Corbin. Obviously, he was never in our long term plans, but he has found himself in a situation outside his control, where the entire fandom wants him to be fired. In light of the fact that he was never supposed to be the head coach, yeah, I feel a little sympathy for him.
The important thing is that Corbin doesn't feel like it's a "finger to the face"... While nothing official or attributable has come out, there are lots of indications that he totally understands why the fans are clamoring for George Karl. And the emphasis isn't on Corbin getting fired. The emphasis is on a reputable top caliber coach like George Karl being hired. Corbin is collateral damage.
 

funkykingston

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IIRC, Gentry turned down the job because they basically told him that they wanted to hire him with the intent of firing Malone mid-season, and Gentry thought that was a ***** move, and didn't want to have anything to do with it. So, yeah, I do still think it's a 'finger to the face' of Corbin. Obviously, he was never in our long term plans, but he has found himself in a situation outside his control, where the entire fandom wants him to be fired. In light of the fact that he was never supposed to be the head coach, yeah, I feel a little sympathy for him.
I can't speak for all fans, but I don't want Corbin fired. What I want is for the Kings to not limp through this season with a coach that the front office has no intention of retaining. I loved the Corbin hire. I thought he was an excellent addition to Malone's staff and a valuable assistant. But he's been sub par as a head coach and if he's just keeping the seat warm for Chris Mullin then the Kings are essentially throwing in the towel on a season that began with such promise. I find that unacceptable.

And to be honest, I think if Mully is the next coach of the Kings then we're likely giving up on at least two seasons and maybe more depending on how much slack Ranadive is willing to give his old buddy from Golden State.

There was never anything in Tyrone Corbin's coaching history to suggest he'd be an upgrade to Malone. In fact, it being a lateral move was a best case scenario. And that's AFTER the disruption of firing a coach the players liked and trusted less than a third of the way through the season and having to adopt to changes in the offensive and defensive schemes.

And that being the case, Malone shouldn't have been fired. But since he WAS, the only way an angry fan base is going to be appeased is by bringing in a proven and successful coach. That's not Tyrone Corbin. But that's also not Tyrone Corbin's fault and I'd like to see him retained as an assistant if Karl is hired.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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The important thing is that Corbin doesn't feel like it's a "finger to the face"... While nothing official or attributable has come out, there are lots of indications that he totally understands why the fans are clamoring for George Karl. And the emphasis isn't on Corbin getting fired. The emphasis is on a reputable top caliber coach like George Karl being hired. Corbin is collateral damage.
That doesn't really make it any less of an untenable situation for Corbin, though. And, anyway, my post was a direct response to a post that made it sound like we "could" have had Alvin Gentry, only Malone vetoed the choice, in order to get Corbin here. He made it sound like we shouldn't have any sympathy for Corbin, because he was complicit in his circumstance. Only that ain't quite how it went down.
 

funkykingston

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Anyone else wondering if we'd be in a better position if Geoff Petrie were retained as GM? I have no idea if we would or what the roster would even look like.

The Maloofs created a coaching carousel but from what little I know of Geoff personally he was a very loyal guy. I can't imagine things would have shaken out this way under his watch.
 
Anyone else wondering if we'd be in a better position if Geoff Petrie were retained as GM? I have no idea if we would or what the roster would even look like.

The Maloofs created a coaching carousel but from what little I know of Geoff personally he was a very loyal guy. I can't imagine things would have shaken out this way under his watch.
He wanted to trade DMCo_O
 

dude12

Hall of Famer
Anyone else wondering if we'd be in a better position if Geoff Petrie were retained as GM? I have no idea if we would or what the roster would even look like.

The Maloofs created a coaching carousel but from what little I know of Geoff personally he was a very loyal guy. I can't imagine things would have shaken out this way under his watch.
That thought has crossed my mind. Petrie, quiet, didnt seek limelight, put together a great team here before the Maloofs meddling AND worked extremely well with Adelman. So far, PDA is the complete opposite.

And I remember Petrie and his staff loved Dame Lillard after workouts, raved about him yet we didn't take him.
 
He wanted to trade DMCo_O
See I remember that report but I am seriously starting to doubt that. My reasoning for this is that the current hierarchy and I include ownership and front office into this, have in a very short time a proven track record of putting out there information to save face or score some browny points with the fans by slagging off at the ones that have departed. Think about it. Malone did not want Cousins and Gay extended....I am 99.99% certain this is NOT true but its a pee weak attempt by the fraudsters to "buy" some understanding from the fans. Also this IT talk as well. Now I am far from an IT fan and I am of the opinion that a change was need if he was not willing to come off the bench for us but the stories leaked out there were that he was practically a cancer and needed to be removed and for me, its starting to sound once again like a hierarchy that is trying to buy back some trust from the fans who were disappointed that we let IT go.

There have been numerous other little snippets that leaked into the media to justify their actions and I am beginning to see a pattern. I am losing trust in this mob and I am certainly not buying the dribble that they are selling. Maybe Petrie would have traded Boogie in which case he would be an idiot that looks at the finger (punt intended) but I am finding it extremely hard to trust the current crew because we have been lied to more than once.
 
See I remember that report but I am seriously starting to doubt that. My reasoning for this is that the current hierarchy and I include ownership and front office into this, have in a very short time a proven track record of putting out there information to save face or score some browny points with the fans by slagging off at the ones that have departed. Think about it. Malone did not want Cousins and Gay extended....I am 99.99% certain this is NOT true but its a pee weak attempt by the fraudsters to "buy" some understanding from the fans. Also this IT talk as well. Now I am far from an IT fan and I am of the opinion that a change was need if he was not willing to come off the bench for us but the stories leaked out there were that he was practically a cancer and needed to be removed and for me, its starting to sound once again like a hierarchy that is trying to buy back some trust from the fans who were disappointed that we let IT go.

There have been numerous other little snippets that leaked into the media to justify their actions and I am beginning to see a pattern. I am losing trust in this mob and I am certainly not buying the dribble that they are selling. Maybe Petrie would have traded Boogie in which case he would be an idiot that looks at the finger (punt intended) but I am finding it extremely hard to trust the current crew because we have been lied to more than once.
Are you saying that iur FO leaked info that IT was a bad teammate?
 
Are you saying that iur FO leaked info that IT was a bad teammate?
That's the impression I get! I could be wrong but I find it interesting that every time the front office make an unpopular decision there are leaks that the person shown the door somehow was causing issues (IT as a bad team mate, Malone as not wanting DMC or Rudy extended, Petrie wanting to trade DMC etc..) There is a pattern there and I am concerned with it.
 
Wow, what an interview by Cousins. He pretty much made it clear he's against all those last moves by the management.
He doesn't like the new style of play, wants to go back to the defensive pride, doesn't feel the team needed any new identity, and between the lines with his depressed voice you can clearly feel how much he dislikes Malone's firing as well.
He seems more than just frustrated. He seems plain sad. and this is after a win, in which he scored 39, + 11 rebounds & 4 assists in 32 mins.
If Vivek and the gang hear this and still don't understand that they made a huge mistake, then I don't know what will make them understand it. :-/
 

hrdboild

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It's nice to hear Boogie still has the same mentality that Coach Malone brought to the team. It means PDA and Mullin haven't won yet. They may have just chopped off the head only to see a bigger one grow in its place. The question is... Vivek picked his favorite advisor over the coach he personally hired, will he choose him again over his franchise player? Thats a much harder choice to make. If the players say "no thanks" to PDA's preferred style of play, where does he go next?
 

VF21

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SME
It's nice to hear Boogie still has the same mentality that Coach Malone brought to the team. It means PDA and Mullin haven't won yet. They may have just chopped off the head only to see a bigger one grow in its place. The question is... Vivek picked his favorite advisor over the coach he personally hired, will he choose him again over his franchise player? Thats a much harder choice to make. If the players say "no thanks" to PDA's preferred style of play, where does he go next?
If that scenario comes to be, my best guess is that PDA will be quietly stripped of any responsibilities but not openly fired until after the end of the season.
 
Anyone else wondering if we'd be in a better position if Geoff Petrie were retained as GM? I have no idea if we would or what the roster would even look like.
Oh, please - that was already proven long ago.

Let's view this logically:
Petrie either
a) Was responsible for atrocious drafts and trades his last years that set the team back years
or
b) He was doing the bidding of the Maloofs, and never once stood up to their atrocious drafts and trades his last years.

Either way, Petrie is not who we should want making decisions, based on his track record in his declining years OR his inability to stand up to the Maloofs dictating those decisions. Remember how defensive Kings players became almost extinct under his control?

(And really, come on - who believes the Maloofs were solely to blame for the last years of failures? That's a tad unrealistic to think Petrie had nothing to do with so many years of failure and never addressing team needs.)
 

funkykingston

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Oh, please - that was already proven long ago.

Let's view this logically:
Petrie either
a) Was responsible for atrocious drafts and trades his last years that set the team back years
or
b) He was doing the bidding of the Maloofs, and never once stood up to their atrocious drafts and trades his last years.

Either way, Petrie is not who we should want making decisions, based on his track record in his declining years OR his inability to stand up to the Maloofs dictating those decisions. Remember how defensive Kings players became almost extinct under his control?

(And really, come on - who believes the Maloofs were solely to blame for the last years of failures? That's a tad unrealistic to think Petrie had nothing to do with so many years of failure and never addressing team needs.)
I'm not defending the moves Geoff made at the end of his tenure. The question in my mind is whether D'Alessandro is an upgrade.

My list of who I wanted as GM of the Kings when the new ownership took over was:

Sam Hinkie
Mike Zarren
Tom Penn
Travis Schlenk

I really liked Masai Ujiri but he was headed to the Raptors before the Kings had even really started their search. Larry Bird was a big name I would have loved to have but I didn't think he'd be coming to Sacramento. The only reason I was okay with D'Alessandro being hired was because the other names floated around that time were Chris Wallace and Mike Dunleavy with David Kahn spotted hanging around which seemed like disasters waiting to happen.
 
The Cuz post game interview was very telling. He and other players are still trying to wrap their head around the Malone firing and I don't think they can. Trying to play a style that doesn't give them the best chance to win. I loved when Cuz did the finger quote " playing style" finger unquote in the interview....... he's being very professional in the interview.
This interview is like a Rorschach inkblot test - people see what they want to see. The vast majority of the interview was DMC discussing how frustrating it has been dealing with these illnesses. It has been very difficult for him to watch the team lose from the sidelines. He criticizes himself for not playing better D and allowing Aldrich to have such a good game. He states that he was a step slow on D and he and the rest of the team need to play better D. All of this is true.

Also, imagine how bad he felt after this game and how it plays into his disposition. The man just got over the flu and played an overtime game in the NBA. I am cranky at my job after having the flu and all I do is sit at a desk.

I did not find this interview to be a big deal. I just saw a competitve dude who was cranky because he hates to lose and hates to be sick.