Pistons waive Josh smith

Dime Dropper

Dime Dropper

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I'd probably rather we just get Karl, and let Smith go somewhere else. I don't think he'd help us, he's too much of a risk.

Not that we'll sign Karl. We'll let Corbin finish out the rest of the season before hiring Mullin to fulfill Vivek's wet dream.
 
hrdboild

hrdboild

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Čarolija said:
I would think that coach Karl might be the only coach that could control Smith and make it work here. Having said that, Josh Smith is not signing with Sacramento of all places and for a veteran minimum when Houston wants him and has a bi-annual exception to use as well. I know he will get a sizeable chunk from Detroit over the next few years but he is not signing for a rebuilding team for a league minimum. Contender yes, but not us.
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I agree it seems unlikely, but the argument would be that Collison/McLemore/Gay/Thompson/Cousins as a group were already playing some good ball under an inexperienced second year coach. Bring in an eventual hall-of-fame coach (ASAP btw guys, you can't talk about the Four Seasons and then cheap out on the money end) and a borderline All-Star talent like Josh Smith (this is our pitch to him, mind you) and we're no longer a rebuilding team, we're a burgeoning contender. A lineup of Collison/McLemore/Gay/Smith/Cousins has no weaknesses offensively -- remember Darren Collison is a 36% three point shooter over his career and Josh Smith is a top-of-the-key or closer PF on teams that care about winning. George Karl can certainly work with that group. Maybe you can get Brooklyn to agree to the salary dump trade and get Deron Williams in here too. Maybe you can even swing a deal with whatever assets remain for a defensive big man.

The trick here is that all of this has to come together really fast. Dallas putting a Rondo deal together and Detroit outright waiving Josh Smith before our "5 steps ahead" GM has chosen a new coach basically catches us with our pants down. I'm on board with the new flash and dash approach for now if they step up to the plate and start making things happen. Sitting around and waiting while other teams position themselves for the playoffs is what this franchise has always done. You want to prove you're proactive not incompetent? This is how you do it.
 
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hrdboild

hrdboild

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Bricklayer said:
The interesting thing, good or bad, is this possibility:

1) sign Karl

2) that attracts Smith (Kenyon Martin)

3) with Smith now onboard, that frees us to drop our Plumlee demand for Williams. Can/could we get them down to Sessions + a kid?

Best/worst scenario the cascade effect could move you from Cuz/Gay/Collison + sometimes Ben, to Cuz/Gay/Collison/Deron/Smith + sometimes Ben. + HOF coach.
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Interesting is the right word. I'm not so sure it's entirely good, but it would be entertaining to find out. It's bold, swing for the fences stuff. If you're going to fail, at least fail spectacularly. Somebody said that right?
 
Spike

Spike

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Wouldn't it be good business to hire Karl at his asking price, and then let the free agents flock to Sac at a more negotiable price, rather than overpay for crap and then end up with no money, leaving you with a mediocre retread as your coach?

Hey, you gotta spend money to make money, but these guys are #FiveStepsAhead, so they know more than I do.
 
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Jeremy Fraser

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Spike said:
Wouldn't it be good business to hire Karl at his asking price, and then let the free agents flock to Sac at a more negotiable price, rather than overpay for crap and then end up with no money, leaving you with a mediocre retread as your coach?

Hey, you gotta spend money to make money, but these guys are #FiveStepsAhead, so they know more than I do.
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That's 3.0 steps ahead to you.
 
upinsmoke

upinsmoke

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A few of my post from back in August.

"I have a feeling WE are the ones asking for the sweetener in the deal. And it makes sense Smith's contract is ridiculous compared to his production especially at the 3 YUCKY.:"

"Well if the proposed deal is Landry & JT for Smith then it's a square deal but I get the impression they are asking for JT and a expiring in which case I ask for a pick in included in the deal because of the higher risk factor. Maybe we throw in a second rounder to somewhat ease the blow but the Monroe situation is not looking rosy for them."

"Exactly which is why the deal is not done they're trying to get outta Smith's deal clean as a whistle because if you think about it JT is a pretty damn good option for them behind Drummond and Monroe. Who else is out there looking to add Smith's contract to their books? CRICKETS"

I post this to show what the NBA community was clearly thinking when it comes to Smith and Detroit where nobody is in business to do them any favors.
 
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KingsCitizen

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Well I'm thinking that Kings will probably do a sign and trade with whoever has the cap to take Smith at a better price and use the IT trade exception in exchange.

After that, ship JT/Landry/Williams/Sessions to Brooklyn for Deron/Karasev.

Kings end up with a solid line-up of:
C - DMC/Holins
PF - JSmoove/Evans/Moreland
SF - Rudy/Casspi/Karasev
SG - Ben/Nik
PG - Deron/Collison/Ray

That would be a better starting line-up than Houston, IMO.
 
ParniValjak

ParniValjak

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KingsCitizen said:
Well I'm thinking that Kings will probably do a sign and trade with whoever has the cap to take Smith at a better price and use the IT trade exception in exchange.

After that, ship JT/Landry/Williams/Sessions to Brooklyn for Deron/Karasev.

Kings end up with a solid line-up of:
C - DMC/Holins
PF - JSmoove/Evans/Moreland
SF - Rudy/Casspi/Karasev
SG - Ben/Nik
PG - Deron/Collison/Ray

That would be a better starting line-up than Houston, IMO.
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I don't think that you can sign a free agent that's not your own free agent for sign and trades.

Smith can only sign with the team of his choice and for the money that they can offer him under the salary cap (eg, cap room, exceptions and vet minimum)
 
Kingsfan_GER

Kingsfan_GER

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KingsCitizen said:
Well I'm thinking that Kings will probably do a sign and trade with whoever has the cap to take Smith at a better price and use the IT trade exception in exchange.

After that, ship JT/Landry/Williams/Sessions to Brooklyn for Deron/Karasev.

Kings end up with a solid line-up of:
C - DMC/Holins
PF - JSmoove/Evans/Moreland
SF - Rudy/Casspi/Karasev
SG - Ben/Nik
PG - Deron/Collison/Ray

That would be a better starting line-up than Houston, IMO.
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Hollins as the only Center Backup ?
Reggie as the only other Big Man from the bench ? I like both Hollins and Reggie, but that won't work.
We don't need 'splashy moves' we need moves for proven role players.
 
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arusinov

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jcwkings said:
If he clears waivers he wont be a King. Pistons will still pay his huge contract and he can rehabilitate his image on a contender. We can offer the biggest role though as the starting 4.
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I think if Houston wants to sign him they're not sold on DMo as starting 4 and Jones is indefenitely out... and many thinks also not starting (for contender) caliber player anyway. So they will probably also offer him starting at 4.
 
Kingston Jamaica

Kingston Jamaica

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I would also think that the Rockets appearently are the most logical outcome. Houston is running smoothly and at a very high level right now. The Kings are in a somewhat turbulent situation. Why would a player who can choose go that way?
 
KingsFanGER

KingsFanGER

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If the Rockets sign smith - is there any Chance of trading for Dmo?
Can space the floor, roll, pop and post. Bad rebounder but DMC will make up for it. Made himself into a decent defender.
I would love it.
 
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KingMilz

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KingsFanGER said:
If the Rockets sign smith - is there any Chance of trading for Dmo?
Can space the floor, roll, pop and post. Bad rebounder but DMC will make up for it. Made himself into a decent defender.
I would love it.
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They have 8 million in cap space, why would signing Smith mean them losing/moving D-Mo who they will need off the bench, D-Mo this year has proven he's a better player than Terrance Jones (who is undersized and weak), if anything they will keep D-Mo cause they need his size and inside scoring in case they come up against the Grizz/Clippers/Portland in the playoffs.
 
Capt. Factorial

Capt. Factorial

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andremiller07 said:
They have 8 million in cap space, why would signing Smith mean them losing/moving D-Mo who they will need off the bench
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Houston doesn't have $8M in cap space this year - they're over the luxury tax level. But I agree that they wouldn't get rid of Motiejunas if they sign Smith. The rich get richer, right?
 
Bosnian Diehard

Bosnian Diehard

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Marc Stein said that Smith would only sign with a team if he had a guaranteed starting spot, and he said that brought it down to Houston or Miami. Did we not offer a starting spot or did he just not even consider Sacramento?
 
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