Where is Omri?

alonshin

alonshin

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According to this, from ESPN, Casspi was missing the last 3 games because of his knee injury.
Then, Malone words in that interview with Grant about playing Williams because "Derrick William's is essentially getting his turn because he has earned it" doesn't make any sense, if he couldn't play Casspi anyway due to his injury.
In addition, on the same page ESPN quote Malone saying there's no reason for Casspi not to play against Detroit, and nevertheless he is listed "out" in the injury report.
Strange stuff.
 
IfAt1st

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I'm sorry, but this is absolute bullcrap.

We Kings fans should not have to deal with this level of bush-league misinformation and confusion about the status of the UNDENIABLY best bench player the Kings have had this season.

The coaching and reporters are absolutely terrible when it comes to informing the fanbase.

What a pathetic state of affairs. :headshake:
 
Chubbs

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Well, Omri fans. I would imagine he will play even less now with Malone gone. I am now convinced that Malone has nothing to do with the Omri benching.

Or he's already on the trading block. He may have been sitting out as they prepare a trade.

Stay tuned today.
 
King Baller

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Chubbs said:
Well, Omri fans. I would imagine he will play even less now with Malone gone. I am now convinced that Malone has nothing to do with the Omri benching.

Or he's already on the trading block. He may have been sitting out as they prepare a trade.

Stay tuned today.
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Ray will be one of the pieces. you know he was showcased to the Pistons.
 
Spike

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CruzDude said:
As Jespher said, Malone gave DWill the minutes because he earned it!! Which DWill was he watching.??
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Considering the front office meddling that's been revealed over the past few hours, I wonder how much of it came from upstairs?
 
Kingston Jamaica

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Chubbs said:
Well, Omri fans. I would imagine he will play even less now with Malone gone. I am now convinced that Malone has nothing to do with the Omri benching.

Or he's already on the trading block. He may have been sitting out as they prepare a trade.

Stay tuned today.
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I was thinking along those lines as well. However, his salary doesn't facilitate any trades. Only if somebody really wants him, I could see him going. If the target is Josh Smith, as has been rumored being Viveks idea, I would guess that DWill and Landry would go the other way. That would make salaries work.
 
Ron

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Kingston Jamaica said:
I was thinking along those lines as well. However, his salary doesn't facilitate any trades. Only if somebody really wants him, I could see him going. If the target is Josh Smith, as has been rumored being Viveks idea, I would guess that DWill and Landry would go the other way. That would make salaries work.
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I'm really not sure either way. This dirty inside stuff is not my cup of tea...
I just know I hate Malone's firing, whatever it bodes for my countryman Casspi.
(I think it's bad for the TEAM. Clear and simple)

But if you're right, Kingston, then Omri's minutes may increase, actually, should Landry & DWill be gone.
He'll be sole backup at the SF, with some extra time at the PF if we go small, and perhaps some SG minutes if we go big and scrappy.
 
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arusinov

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Chubbs said:
Well, Omri fans. I would imagine he will play even less now with Malone gone. I am now convinced that Malone has nothing to do with the Omri benching.

Or he's already on the trading block. He may have been sitting out as they prepare a trade.

Stay tuned today.
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I don't think firing Malone matters for Casspi's PT too much. It's mostly not about specific coach but about status of min-salary vet, which by default looked at as "journeyman" and his own reputation of player which starts season good and then fade away (doesn't matter if correct one).
Coach can like Casspi (McHale certainly did - he was the one who spoke with Casspi by phone calling him to join Rockets in summer and after Casspi got traded away he said several times that Omri is good player and wonderfull person) but anyway all of them would keep him on very short leash - if he's in some slump and there's reason/"requirement from upstairs" to use another player, Casspi's got benched... Now, there will be another chances for Omri this year: I don't see D-Will is going to change - he'll be as incosistent as always... and there're injuries, slumps, etc... The problem is - can Casspi break reputation of incosistency he got in the league... or it's too late.

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Concerning trade.. it would be really ironic if Casspi will be traded to NO! There he can be starter right away and at least untill Gordon is back :)
 
Kingston Jamaica

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arusinov said:
I don't think firing Malone matters for Casspi's PT too much. It's mostly not about specific coach but about status of min-salary vet, which by default looked at as "journeyman" and his own reputation of player which starts season good and then fade away (doesn't matter if correct one).
Coach can like Casspi (McHale certainly did - he was the one who spoke with Casspi by phone calling him to join Rockets in summer and after Casspi got traded away he said several times that Omri is good player and wonderfull person) but anyway all of them would keep him on very short leash - if he's in some slump and there's reason/"requirement from upstairs" to use another player, Casspi's got benched... Now, there will be another chances for Omri this year: I don't see D-Will is going to change - he'll be as incosistent as always... and there're injuries, slumps, etc... The problem is - can Casspi break reputation of incosistency he got in the league... or it's too late.

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Concerning trade.. it would be really ironic if Casspi will be traded to NO! There he can be starter right away and at least untill Gordon is back :)
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I don't think the Kings have any interest in trading Casspi anywhere. He is useful for a number of options from the bench. It appears natural to me that the Kings would try to find a deal for Derrick Williams expiring contract. I can't see that the Kings will re-sign him having two other PFs on a long term deals and Reggie Evans doing the right things. Maybe Casspi's "injury" was a fake just not to stress that the Kings were showcasing DWill.

With Malone gone, I really don't understand what the FO wants to do. I'm pretty sure that they have a trade idea brewing, because the team, as is, was best suited for the type of game Malone played. If the FO want flashy fast game, they need to leave DWill at the PF and trade all the others (JT, Landry and Reggie). I don't see DWill becoming a starting PF (and he is not a SF). I'm trying to understand what the Josh Smith story is (he's on the block for sure). I don't think that would be a great deal (more likely a bad one). IMO he is a tweener like DWill. Why would Omri be traded to NO? I'm not even sure if it is possible because they waived him (there's a time limitation to it).

We'll probably see within the coming 24 hours, how the FO is planning to play it.
 
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arusinov

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Kingston Jamaica said:
I don't think the Kings have any interest in trading Casspi anywhere. He is useful for a number of options from the bench. It appears natural to me that the Kings would try to find a deal for Derrick Williams expiring contract. I can't see that the Kings will re-sign him having two other PFs on a long term deals and Reggie Evans doing the right things. Maybe Casspi's "injury" was a fake just not to stress that the Kings were showcasing DWill.

With Malone gone, I really don't understand what the FO wants to do. I'm pretty sure that they have a trade idea brewing, because the team, as is, was best suited for the type of game Malone played. If the FO want flashy fast game, they need to leave DWill at the PF and trade all the others (JT, Landry and Reggie). I don't see DWill becoming a starting PF (and he is not a SF). I'm trying to understand what the Josh Smith story is (he's on the block for sure). I don't think that would be a great deal (more likely a bad one). IMO he is a tweener like DWill. Why would Omri be traded to NO? I'm not even sure if it is possible because they waived him (there's a time limitation to it).

We'll probably see within the coming 24 hours, how the FO is planning to play it.
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About NO it was joke. I said it just because they really badly need any serviceable SF. and actually have none (maybe Cunningham but he's not really SF)... and somehow with this pathetic situation with #3 they waived the best SF they had on this team.
Don't know if actually there's limitaion about trading for player you already waived same year (it seems so strange thing to do that I don't think why bother to forbid it:) )
 
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Kingston Jamaica

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arusinov said:
About NO it was joke. I said it just because they really badly need any serviceable SF. and actually have none (maybe Cunningham but he's not really SF)... and somehow with this pathetic situation with #3 they waived the best SF they had on this team.
Don't know if actually there's limitaion about trading for player you already waived same year (it seems so strange thing to do that I don't think why bother to forbid it:) )
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I went to the ESPN trade machine. It indicates that Rudy Gay, Ramon Sessions, Ryan Hollins and Omri Casspi are not eligible for trade at this moment. For how long, I don't know.
 
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Gilles

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Rudy probably has 7.5% raises in his extension to provide maximum financial flexibility this upcoming summer, so he's untradeable for 6 months, since signing the extension, while the other three are barred from trades until Dec., 15th due to signing their contracts this summer.
 
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arusinov

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Gilles said:
Rudy probably has 7.5% raises in his extension to provide maximum financial flexibility this upcoming summer, so he's untradeable for 6 months, since signing the extension, while the other three are barred from trades until Dec., 15th due to signing their contracts this summer.
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But today is Dec., 16 ...
 
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Amit149

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Kingston Jamaica said:
I went to the ESPN trade machine. It indicates that Rudy Gay, Ramon Sessions, Ryan Hollins and Omri Casspi are not eligible for trade at this moment. For how long, I don't know.
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"A free agent can not be traded until December 15 or 3 months after the contract is signed, whichever is later" that what it says in the trade machine. Omri is untradeable until Dec 17 and so is Hollins, We are stuck with Sessions until Dec 21. With Rudy its a different story and we can't trade him until May 17, 2015.

btw theres a lot of rumors about this trade for the Kings, I am not crazy about it:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=optkcwo
 
Chubbs

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Unfortunately, the bottom line is I don't trust anything out of this FO, and the players don't either.

It sucks, cause Casspi might actually be hurt right now. I just have no idea what to believe anymore. Who is dictating playing time?

I do think malone favored casspi. The FO thinks Williams is a perfect fit for the up tempo offense they crave. They could also be showcasing Williams. I just don't know or trust anything.
 
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Chubbs said:
Unfortunately, the bottom line is I don't trust anything out of this FO, and the players don't either.

It sucks, cause Casspi might actually be hurt right now. I just have no idea what to believe anymore. Who is dictating playing time?

I do think malone favored casspi. The FO thinks Williams is a perfect fit for the up tempo offense they crave. They could also be showcasing Williams. I just don't know or trust anything.
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The thing is everyone describing the style of play PDA/Vivek wants, keep mentioning that DWill will fit their as a 4, to qoute Zach Lowe piece about us: "if Williams has an NBA future, it’s likely as a small-ball power forward who shoots 3s off the catch and mixes in a little pump-and-drive — a new Al Harrington, basically" I really think they think this could work out great. I dont buy him as a good PF and to qoute Zach Lowe from that same piece:

"the roster isn’t exactly hard-wired to play a racing game. These are not the Steve Nash Suns...with a low-post beast and a patient prober like Gay, this group doesn’t scream “run, run, run.” The offense with Cousins was working; the Kings score like hell when he’s on the floor, and they’re still hanging around the league average even amid his illness. They showed a ton of progress defensively over the first 15 games"

I really think they are trying to force a system that don't fit the roster- we saw how this preception worked for the lakers with D'Anotny- taking a team many saw as a favourite for a title to barely getting into the playoffs and getting swept at the first round...
 
Chubbs

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Amit149 said:
The thing is everyone describing the style of play PDA/Vivek wants, keep mentioning that DWill will fit their as a 4, to qoute Zach Lowe piece about us: "if Williams has an NBA future, it’s likely as a small-ball power forward who shoots 3s off the catch and mixes in a little pump-and-drive — a new Al Harrington, basically" I really think they think this could work out great. I dont buy him as a good PF and to qoute Zach Lowe from that same piece:

"the roster isn’t exactly hard-wired to play a racing game. These are not the Steve Nash Suns...with a low-post beast and a patient prober like Gay, this group doesn’t scream “run, run, run.” The offense with Cousins was working; the Kings score like hell when he’s on the floor, and they’re still hanging around the league average even amid his illness. They showed a ton of progress defensively over the first 15 games"

I really think they are trying to force a system that don't fit the roster- we saw how this preception worked for the lakers with D'Anotny- taking a team many saw as a favourite for a title to barely getting into the playoffs and getting swept at the first round...
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It's very frightening how badly they've misread the talent.

Malone I believe was getting the most out of what he had. He wasn't forcing something that wasn't there.

I guess we will see. It's been said a hundred times, coach the roster you have, not the one you want. The scary thing is, they think they have the roster to do this up tempo junk.

Ultimately, why would they want something that is doomed to fail, when, they seemed to be on the right track? Casual fans, the media, experts, everyone sees how poorly this roster is constructed. Everyone but the people in charge.
 
Ron

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The continued injury ("injury"?) got me thinking...

I'm beginning to think Casspi himself is about to be traded.
(Though his contract can't be a centerpiece of any trade, of course - only a small addition)

The reasons I think it's not really a health issue?

1. I can't see a Piranha like Casspi sitting out for 4 games for anything short of a broken bone or a surgery...
2. I watched his body language on the bench lately, and there was definitely something going on - Suddenly there were no pistol-swinging, or even gestures of "yesss" or "way-to-go" to support a good effort from a teammate.

Or perhaps he just somehow heard of the Malone firing about to happen, and was not good at hiding his feelings?...
 
fansinceday1

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Ron said:
The continued injury ("injury"?) got me thinking...

I'm beginning to think Casspi himself is about to be traded.
(Though his contract can't be a centerpiece of any trade, of course - only a small addition)

The reasons I think it's not really a health issue?

1. I can't see a Piranha like Casspi sitting out for 4 games for anything short of a broken bone or a surgery...
2. I watched his body language on the bench lately, and there was definitely something going on - Suddenly there were no pistol-swinging, or even gestures of "yesss" or "way-to-go" to support a good effort from a teammate.

Or perhaps he just somehow heard of the Malone firing about to happen, and was not good at hiding his feelings?...
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This whole thing is just making me sad. It was so great to see omri and the rest of the bench support the guys playing. I got a lot of enjoyment seeing omri playing so well cause I didn't expect anything I was seeing. Now to see the sagging body language......... I just don't know what to think anymore.
 
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arusinov

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Chubbs said:
Well, Omri fans. I would imagine he will play even less now with Malone gone. I am now convinced that Malone has nothing to do with the Omri benching.

Or he's already on the trading block. He may have been sitting out as they prepare a trade.

Stay tuned today.
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After some thinking I will add: I'm afraid firing Malone is very bad for the team, but for Casspi's PT is probably neutral or even positive...
We can't rely on any information about situation in team now including Omri'r injury (how serious? when happened?) or DWill geting his minutes just because "he earned it": in last days those messages were complete mess, underwater political struggles and vague hints.

But only things which seems to be clear are: FO want play in "uptempo" style, FO want play DWill (development? trade? who knows...). But also it seems they consider DWill more as small-ball PF than SF.

Now. Casspi's quite able to play "uptempo": he's good fast-break finisher and passer (probably quickest runner without ball on the team and with improved ball-handling - quick with ball too), while this year he's almost not shooting and certainly not hitting 3pt attempts - he's carrier ~35% and last year ~35% 3pt shooter on not small volume of attmepts - it couldn't be that he just forgot how to do it... and he also can play small-ball PF.

Actually it seems they brought Casspi because he suits their "uptempo" vision. From interviews with Omri you can see there's big difference in process of signing in Houston and here. In Houston McHale was the one who called Casspi. He also directly explained what he want of him - to be small-ball strech-4 (actually he was looking for somebody to emulate Ryan Anderson for fraction of the price - and he decided that Casspi is best available option). On signing here Omri said that he spoke several times... with GM! For the coach he probably initially was just FO signing - some min-vet combo-forward (to be placed at the end of the bench)... ThenMalone have seen that Casspi is high-energy player with high BBIq and he's good in slashing and making entry passes, so Casspi got place in the rotation.

So what Malone firing has to Casspi's PT in all possibililies of the ongoing situation causes and development:

If he's traded (probably we'll know about it when he's oficially tradeable which is... if conclusion in this thread is correct... yepp - tomorrow) - it's neutral.

If he was injured all this time - it also doesn't matter

If Malone benched Casspi for D-Will... than it's probably will end up with Casspi having more PT without Malone. Probably FO pressed for DWlll playing more but with "uptempo vision" they would not want him to play instead of Casspi - they'd like not-using Reggie/Hollins and using forwards combos of Gay/DWill, Casspi/DWill and even Gay/Casspi, but in more classical Malone's system there's noo place for both DWill and Omri.
Next coach can be willing to play "uptempo" with small-ball lineups, also he could just have stronger position in relations with FO (if it's for example George Karl), so he'll be able just to ignore request to play DWill.
 
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arusinov

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Tyrone Corbin on Omri Casspi’s health: : “He didn’t go through much in practice today. And we’ll see again tomorrow how he feels. He says he’s getting better. He didn’t do any contact in practice today.” - See more at: http://cowbellkingdom.com/practice-notes-and-quotes-december-17/#sthash.l3ocNmOP.dpuf

Now I think we can be sure that Omri is actually injured, but we still don't know whether he was already injured in the first 2 games he missed too ( at those games his status was DNP-CD) or he was injured on practice after those two games.
 
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arusinov

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There are things which I just can't understand.
It was somehow logically explainable when Casspi was replaced by Williams initially - team was in PO race, there was bench which somehow functioned, someone could think replacing Omri who had several not so good games will help team (or at least will not hurt and playing D-Will will please FO). Now PO seems to be distant dream, bench is totally dysfunctional and to win one of five worst teams in the league four starters have to play almost 40 minutes. It's not even about D-Will. Noone was playing well from all bench guys. And you can play Omri at PF or even at SG... 11 pts scored by whole bench and still it was not any time for the best scorer off the bench you had this year... Just doesn't make any sense. Maybe Omri said daughter of Viwek is bad singer... don't know
 
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arusinov said:
There are things which I just can't understand.
It was somehow logically explainable when Casspi was replaced by Williams initially - team was in PO race, there was bench which somehow functioned, someone could think replacing Omri who had several not so good games will help team (or at least will not hurt and playing D-Will will please FO). Now PO seems to be distant dream, bench is totally dysfunctional and to win one of five worst teams in the league four starters have to play almost 40 minutes. It's not even about D-Will. Noone was playing well from all bench guys. And you can play Omri at PF or even at SG... 11 pts scored by whole bench and still it was not any time for the best scorer off the bench you had this year... Just doesn't make any sense. Maybe Omri said daughter of Viwek is bad singer... don't know
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I can't believe he said that about Anjali...

YOU TAKE THAT BACK CASSPI!!!
 
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