DeMarcus Admitted to Hospital

[VF21]

I'm offended at this insinuation / suggestion outright statement.
8 years+ of patience and support amid utter embarrassment and frustration is not long enough?

You negatively ascribe a youth's precocious impatience with the segment of the fanbase that sees the opportunity window now and understands the dangers of waiting another year for the required success to take the next step in this franchise?

You, of all people, should remember what happened with the Kings' window of opportunity.
I'll refresh your memory (and I won't ascribe a negative elderly characteristic):

The year is summer 2002 -
Many people (here included) decided to look at the bright side after the tragedy that was the Western Conference Finals of 2002 vs the Lakers. They said "We will grow stronger together from this loss and grow and get our championship next year" etc etc etc.
The next year, Chris Webber's knee happened. That was the end of the Kings getting better, moving forward.
It's been a painful slide of down for TWELVE years since then.

For some psychological reason, some fans want to assume that the good things will stay (or get better) and the bad things won't creep (back) in.
Who's to say (God forbid) Demarcus has another 3 years of excellence left in his body?
Who's to say the NBA is OK with Sacramento being an upstart and goes back to not giving them ANY fouls (the Kings are currently leading the league in FT attempts)? What if the media decide they want to go back to demonizing Demarcus? What if the refs decide to go back to persecuting him on the floor and make it so he can't play 20 minutes a game?
Who's to say good players continue to play hard here? Remember J.J. Hickson? Dude could play, but wouldn't play for us. Sat on his butt and collected money until we were forced to trade him, then proved he was good elsewhere. Oh, wait - that was also this year, with Jason Terry.

Your optimism and patience is simply (IMO) not warranted for a longtime Kings fan.
But I understand us longtime fans take different approaches with our fandom, and different ways of psychologically self-medicating the traumas we've endured. As long as one side does not dictate to the other how to approach their fandom, or stifle their voice/approach, our fan-ness may survive.
We are getting exponentially more calls, that's for sure.
I think Boogie's play on the court (not attitude) is on par with last year's.
DMC/Gay/IT were over .500 when they all played last year, as well, IIRC, so not exponentially different.

If you give this year's team the same number of free throws that last year's got, and I'll bet they're a .300 team.

Ruminate on that.
And take your time, and have patience. We wouldn't want to be impatient - because of course this Kings team has lots of time and can wait an entire year more to be competitive in the NBA. Nothing bad can creep in/happen.

1. I fear you doth protest too much.
2. I said nothing about " a youth's precocious impatience " as I know fans of all age-groups who fall into the category I was describing.
3. I'll ignore the passive-aggressive attempt to stifle my comments because I also serve as a moderator on this forum (which is totally irrelevant to about 99% of my posts).
4. My optimism and patience is MINE. If you do not subscribe to it, that's also fine. What's not fine is for you to turn it into a straw man argument. I didn't specify a period of time in regards to my comment about instant gratification.
5. The doom and gloom of some posters around here is beyond depressing. And, in some instances (I'm speaking in generalities here so don't get your panties in a bunch), it appears as though they enjoy taking the devil's advocate view - which is barely distinguishable IMHO (as a fan, not a moderator) from trolldom.
6. The snark at the end of your post tells me everything I need to know. We will never agree because we have a totally different view of life in general. And that too is fine.
7. GO KINGS!

 

[King Baller]

For goodness sakes we get it!

 

[rainmaker]

Maybe you should calm down. Our only championship was in 1951. Some of us are in our 70's or older. I'll be 70 next month so have more reason to be impatient than you.

I think an issue is, and I agree with Ifat1st on it to a degree, is that there needs to be more tolerance for differing opinions. Anyone who's been here through our struggles, year after year after year, has already proven they're fans through thick and thin, better than many teams across sports will see. Yet regularly one side here seems to announce, every single day, how much the perceived "negativity" of others bothers them, then branch off into assumptions based on that so called "negativity".

Negativity btw is usually an adjective used when one doesn't want to confront and debate the actual issues brought up. But we rarely see other posters, the "negative" ones, broadcasting discontent with posters being too positive. It's one side constantly complaining about the other, in thread after thread.

You have your perspective, I have mine, others have theirs, but there should generally be more tolerance for everyone's opinions. That fans who've stuck by this franchise through all the **** we've been through to constantly be deemed too negative is patently ridiculous in this man's opinion. What's a negative fan to me are all those who just gave up on the team during our down years, then suddenly come back when/if things go well. Of course, that's a bandwagon/fair-weather fan but there's a number here who appear to only want that kind of fan on this forum which is extremely odd to me given a forum is based around discussion, and discussion is based upon varying viewpoints. If people base their fandom on faith and hope and optimism, that's great, many do, but there's also fans everywhere who look with a critical eye and that should not be at all surprising given our franchise's history that we have fans who do just that, yet it seems some don't want room for both. But the whole "you're too negative" shtick is incredibly tired and played out. If people disagree with points brought up, then debate the points raised. That's what forums are here for.

That's what I see anyway.

 

[Tetsujin]

1. I fear you doth protest too much.
2. I said nothing about " a youth's precocious impatience " as I know fans of all age-groups who fall into the category I was describing.
3. I'll ignore the passive-aggressive attempt to stifle my comments because I also serve as a moderator on this forum (which is totally irrelevant to about 99% of my posts).
4. My optimism and patience is MINE. If you do not subscribe to it, that's also fine. What's not fine is for you to turn it into a straw man argument. I didn't specify a period of time in regards to my comment about instant gratification.
5. The doom and gloom of some posters around here is beyond depressing. And, in some instances (I'm speaking in generalities here so don't get your panties in a bunch), it appears as though they enjoy taking the devil's advocate view - which is barely distinguishable IMHO (as a fan, not a moderator) from trolldom.
6. The snark at the end of your post tells me everything I need to know. We will never agree because we have a totally different view of life in general. And that too is fine.
7. GO KINGS!

When the Lakers rivalry was in full heat, I was in elementary school. I started filling in on game threads when I was in high school and our PG options were Beno and some other guys, might have even been before the Jason Hart year. Oh and Reggie Theus was our coach.

I am not a "precociously impatient youth". It's a step-by-step process and I'm fine with it going slow and steady if it means a chance of longer sustained success.

 

[Chubbs]

I think an issue is, and I agree with Ifat1st on it to a degree, is that there needs to be more tolerance for differing opinions. Anyone who's been here through our struggles, year after year after year, has already proven they're fans through thick and thin, better than many teams across sports will see. Yet regularly one side here seems to announce, every single day, how much the perceived "negativity" of others bothers them, then branch off into assumptions based on that so called "negativity".

Negativity btw is usually an adjective used when one doesn't want to confront and debate the actual issues brought up. But we rarely see other posters, the "negative" ones, broadcasting discontent with posters being too positive. It's one side constantly complaining about the other, in thread after thread.

You have your perspective, I have mine, others have theirs, but there should generally be more tolerance for everyone's opinions. That fans who've stuck by this franchise through all the **** we've been through to constantly be deemed too negative is patently ridiculous in this man's opinion. What's a negative fan to me are all those who just gave up on the team during our down years, then suddenly come back when/if things go well. Of course, that's a bandwagon/fair-weather fan but there's a number here who appear to only want that kind of fan on this forum which is extremely odd to me given a forum is based around discussion, and discussion is based upon varying viewpoints. If people base their fandom on faith and hope and optimism, that's great, many do, but there's also fans everywhere who look with a critical eye and should not be at all surprising given our franchise's history that we have fans who do just that, yet it seems some don't want room for both. But the whole "you're too negative" shtick is incredibly tired and played out. If people disagree with points brought up, then debate the points raised. That's what forums are here for.

That's what I see anyway.

Gimme a freaking break.

There are people complaining about positivity in the Nik thread right now.

 

[VF21]

I think an issue is, and I agree with Ifat1st on it to a degree, is that there needs to be more tolerance for differing opinions. Anyone who's been here through our struggles, year after year after year, has already proven they're fans through thick and thin, better than many teams across sports will see. Yet regularly one side here seems to announce, every single day, how much the perceived "negativity" of others bothers them, then branch off into assumptions based on that so called "negativity".

Negativity btw is usually an adjective used when one doesn't want to confront and debate the actual issues brought up. But we rarely see other posters, the "negative" ones, broadcasting discontent with posters being too positive. It's one side constantly complaining about the other, in thread after thread.

You have your perspective, I have mine, others have theirs, but there should generally be more tolerance for everyone's opinions. That fans who've stuck by this franchise through all the **** we've been through to constantly be deemed too negative is patently ridiculous in this man's opinion. What's a negative fan to me are all those who just gave up on the team during our down years, then suddenly come back when/if things go well. Of course, that's a bandwagon/fair-weather fan but there's a number here who appear to only want that kind of fan on this forum which is extremely odd to me given a forum is based around discussion, and discussion is based upon varying viewpoints. If people base their fandom on faith and hope and optimism, that's great, many do, but there's also fans everywhere who look with a critical eye and that should not be at all surprising given our franchise's history that we have fans who do just that, yet it seems some don't want room for both. But the whole "you're too negative" shtick is incredibly tired and played out. If people disagree with points brought up, then debate the points raised. That's what forums are here for.

That's what I see anyway.

My last comment on the topic:

You and I have butted heads lots of times but I do hear what you're saying. My main reason for taking this as far as I have is that the thread IfAt1st had so much trouble with is a long-standing tradition going back to 2004. It's probably one of the least controversial threads around... and yet he found a way to make it contentious. And why? Did a single thread saluting Nik Stauskas for a job well done on Dec. 8, 2014, cause him that much angst that he had to make a negative reply?

Anyway, I know you and I will continue to butt heads but do understand one thing - I respect your opinions even though I often disagree with them.

GO KINGS!!

BEAT LA!

 

[Glenn]

I think an issue is, and I agree with Ifat1st on it to a degree, is that there needs to be more tolerance for differing opinions. Anyone who's been here through our struggles, year after year after year, has already proven they're fans through thick and thin, better than many teams across sports will see. Yet regularly one side here seems to announce, every single day, how much the perceived "negativity" of others bothers them, then branch off into assumptions based on that so called "negativity".

Negativity btw is usually an adjective used when one doesn't want to confront and debate the actual issues brought up. But we rarely see other posters, the "negative" ones, broadcasting discontent with posters being too positive. It's one side constantly complaining about the other, in thread after thread.

You have your perspective, I have mine, others have theirs, but there should generally be more tolerance for everyone's opinions. That fans who've stuck by this franchise through all the **** we've been through to constantly be deemed too negative is patently ridiculous in this man's opinion. What's a negative fan to me are all those who just gave up on the team during our down years, then suddenly come back when/if things go well. Of course, that's a bandwagon/fair-weather fan but there's a number here who appear to only want that kind of fan on this forum which is extremely odd to me given a forum is based around discussion, and discussion is based upon varying viewpoints. If people base their fandom on faith and hope and optimism, that's great, many do, but there's also fans everywhere who look with a critical eye and that should not be at all surprising given our franchise's history that we have fans who do just that, yet it seems some don't want room for both. But the whole "you're too negative" shtick is incredibly tired and played out. If people disagree with points brought up, then debate the points raised. That's what forums are here for.

That's what I see anyway.

Did you think I was being critical of you? I don't get it. I'll shut up because as some people seem to enjoy debates, I don't.

 

[The Hammer]

Well, there's your disconnect. That's not a worst-case scenario. That **** not happening is the best-case scenario. The worst case is, in fact, much worse.

You're right. Worst case scenario would be Vivek reveals himself to be a holographic projection of Steve Ballmer, resumes his true image, and moves the team to Seattle AND Los Angeles and renames them the West Coast Crew with uniforms that mix Sonics green, yellow and Kings purple (which is changed to almost identical to Laker blue), and not only that the colors TOTALLY clash, and then openly admits he was behind the 2001 WCF ref debacle as a plot to degrade our franchise into a distressed asset, creating a bidding war between himself and his little Indian holographic projection to assure he would end up with the team, the technology of which Microsoft stole from Apple in 1992, and he developed it specifically for this purpose. He is hailed as a savior by both Seattle and Laker fanbases, as all the Laker fans have now bandwagoned onto the West Coast Crew (colors almost the same), and he unretires Weber's number so that Ballmer himself can suit up and wear #4 and play the first 5 minutes of game one of the Finals in 2017, calling a play for Cousins to alley oop him the ball while sitting on Rudy Gay's shoulders. Of course the basket is good, since he's paid off the entire rest of the league to let him do it. C-Webb contemplates suicide, but is talked down by Jerry Reynolds during the color commentary on live TV. Jerry's still around because Ballmer wants to maintain the "roots" of the franchise. Jerry's too old at this point to care. He's "just happy to be part of the game".

 

[rainmaker]

Gimme a freaking break.

There are people complaining about positivity in the Nik thread right now.

Yeah, you might need a break. One side is much more vocal than the other. The whole "this thread is too soon, imo" gets you that riled up? And that's really "complaining"? If you say so...

 

[rainmaker]

Did you think I was being critical of you? I don't get it. I'll shut up because as some people seem to enjoy debates, I don't.

No, I furthered the discussion, as it's a forum. Anyone participating in a discussion should have the expectation they may be quoted, should they not? It was nothing personal and I think you know that.

 

[Spike]

You're right. Worst case scenario would be Vivek reveals himself to be a holographic projection of Steve Ballmer, resumes his true image, and moves the team to Seattle AND Los Angeles and renames them the West Coast Crew with uniforms that mix Sonics green, yellow and Kings purple (which is changed to almost identical to Laker blue), and not only that the colors TOTALLY clash, and then openly admits he was behind the 2001 WCF ref debacle as a plot to degrade our franchise into a distressed asset, creating a bidding war between himself and his little Indian holographic projection to assure he would end up with the team, the technology of which Microsoft stole from Apple in 1992, and he developed it specifically for this purpose. He is hailed as a savior by both Seattle and Laker franchises, as all the Laker fans have now bandwagoned onto the West Coast Crew (colors almost the same), and he unretires Weber's number so that Ballmer himself can suit up and play the first 5 minutes of game one of the Finals in 2017, calling a play for Cousins to alley oop him the ball while sitting on Rudy Gay's shoulders. Of course the basket is good, since he's paid off the entire rest of the league to let him do it. C-Webb contemplates suicide, but is talked down by Jerry Reynolds during the color commentary on live TV. Jerry's still around because Ballmer wants to maintain the "roots" of the franchise. Jerry's too old at this point to care. He's "just happy to be part of the game".

[Jim Ross]
Dear God, No! Why is this being allowed to happen?!
[/Jim Ross]

 

[Chubbs]

Yeah, you might need a break. One side is much more vocal than the other. The whole "this thread is too soon, imo" gets you that riled up? And that's really "complaining"? If you say so...

no, it doesn't really bother me.

One side is maybe more vocal cause there's more of them? What do you want? Everything to be even? It doesn't work that way. Why does it bother you?

People can say whatever the hell they want. And people can then respond.

 

[rainmaker]

no, it doesn't really bother me.

One side is maybe more vocal cause there's more of them? What do you want? Everything to be even? It doesn't work that way. Why does it bother you?

People can say whatever the hell they want. And people can then respond.

I'd prefer to further discussion and debate basketball related topics, not whether some are deemed "too negative". If you're confused beyond that, go back and read my post. If my post bothers you or you don't understand the larger context, oh well.

 

[Chubbs]

I'd prefer to further discussion and debate basketball related topics, not whether some are deemed "too negative". If you're confused beyond that, go back and read my post. If my post bothers you or you don't understand the larger context, oh well.

Keep grinding that ax...

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

The two of you are talking past each other; I get where both sides are coming from, here, but I'm uninterested in playing mediator. If you have a genuine interest in achieving detente, please take it PM's. Otherwise, let it go.

 

[Glenn]

no, it doesn't really bother me.

One side is maybe more vocal cause there's more of them? What do you want? Everything to be even? It doesn't work that way. Why does it bother you?

People can say whatever the hell they want. And people can then respond.

Or not respond as they wish.

 

[Chubbs]

I now have that sinking hopeless feeling some of you have been having.

I just have this feeling we will be lucky to see Boogie on the court before the all star break. Just a feeling...

We really can't have nice things, can we?

 

[Mike0476]

I dont know, I'm just passing on information that I've read. I generally trust the information James Ham puts out.. could be as simple as him asking Malone, but again, I dont know.

Bloggers don't break news. They regurgitate the news.

 

[chasen4r1]

Bloggers don't break news. They regurgitate the news.

My apologies, should I just avoid copying and pasting tweets from now on?

 

[Merdiesel]

Does anyone have an idea of what the recovery time will be with an illness like this? Should we expect a pretty big drop in DMC's weight?

 

[twslam07]

Does anyone have an idea of what the recovery time will be with an illness like this? Should we expect a pretty big drop in DMC's weight?

If that's so, maybe we do have our PF of the future then

I kid, I kid... Get well soon Boogie and I hope you come back stronger and more determined than ever!

 

[Mike0476]

My apologies, should I just avoid copying and pasting tweets from now on?

That's up to you. All I am saying is bloggers do not have sources and does not break news. By that I mean real news and not a press release.

Did a blogger break the news on Rudy Gay resigning with the Kings? How about the free agent signings of Collison and Sessions? Cousins's health? Those news stories are broken by real media.

All bloggers do is retweet and blog their opinions.

 

[chasen4r1]

That's up to you. All I am saying is bloggers do not have sources and does not break news. By that I mean real news and not a press release.

Did a blogger break the news on Rudy Gay resigning with the Kings? How about the free agent signings of Collison and Sessions? Cousins's health? Those news stories are broken by real media.

All bloggers do is retweet and blog their opinions.

I understand that. I took it as news, and i have been repeatedly reminded in this thread that it is not news. So again, I apologize. I was wrong. Can we move on please?

 

[Mike0476]

I understand that. I took it as news, and i have been repeatedly reminded in this thread that it is not news. So again, I apologize. I was wrong. Can we move on please?

No need to apologize. Bloggers do not make news. They're not even real media. Just pretend media. Moving on...

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

Regarding the ongoing debate, I think that it is very normal to worry and be disappointed that our season has taken this turn. I understand that many are saying there is always next year and we can use this as a stepping stone. But there are times when you only get one shot and who knows what may happen if we don't make the best of this opportunity to rise.

A good example is, look at the Blazers. When they had that duo of Aldrige and Roy, they started out being the new darlings of the league. They even got the #1 pick in Oden. They were supposed to be a serious championship contender for years to come. And then, what happen? I'm sure at first, people thought Oden would come back and be productive and form this 1-2-3 punch and become their defensive achor.

What happened next was Roy's knee gave out repeatedly too and the franchise had to start over, again. Yes, they got lucky again and got Lillard. But this Blazers team does not compare to the potential that the Roy, Aldrige, Oden team had.

I know Boogie does not have an injury, but a virus and all that. The people that are "negative" may just see things more for what history has told us. Sometimes, for small market teams, you only get 1 shot once in a long while. And we are really crossing our finger that we can still take advantage of this year's opportunity. That's why people are being so "negative", its because of the urgency.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

A good example is, look at the Blazers. When they had that duo of Aldrige and Roy, they started out being the new darlings of the league. They even got the #1 pick in Oden. They were supposed to be a serious championship contender for years to come. And then, what happen? I'm sure at first, people thought Oden would come back and be productive and form this 1-2-3 punch and become their defensive achor.

I've mentioned this before, but out of four hundred odd games that Aldridge, Roy and Oden were on the Trailblazers at the same time, they only actually played in eighty-two games together. In those games, they had a record of 57-25.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

I've mentioned this before, but out of four hundred odd games that Aldridge, Roy and Oden were on the Trailblazers at the same time, they only actually played in eighty-two games together. In those games, they had a record of 57-25.

That record will get you to the top 3 of the west in most years. I'll take that.

 

[peacelate]

Regarding the ongoing debate, I think that it is very normal to worry and be disappointed that our season has taken this turn. I understand that many are saying there is always next year and we can use this as a stepping stone. But there are times when you only get one shot and who knows what may happen if we don't make the best of this opportunity to rise.

A good example is, look at the Blazers. When they had that duo of Aldrige and Roy, they started out being the new darlings of the league. They even got the #1 pick in Oden. They were supposed to be a serious championship contender for years to come. And then, what happen? I'm sure at first, people thought Oden would come back and be productive and form this 1-2-3 punch and become their defensive achor.

What happened next was Roy's knee gave out repeatedly too and the franchise had to start over, again. Yes, they got lucky again and got Lillard. But this Blazers team does not compare to the potential that the Roy, Aldrige, Oden team had.

I know Boogie does not have an injury, but a virus and all that. The people that are "negative" may just see things more for what history has told us. Sometimes, for small market teams, you only get 1 shot once in a long while. And we are really crossing our finger that we can still take advantage of this year's opportunity. That's why people are being so "negative", its because of the urgency.

What exactly is this year's opportunity? At best, this was a fringe playoff team.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Haven't heard anything in a couple days. I wonder how he's feeling

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

What exactly is this year's opportunity? At best, this was a fringe playoff team.

The opportunity to play an entire season, while actually competing for a playoff spot...and possibly getting into the playoffs and gaining that experience. Developing a team and a culture/chemistry while playing games that really mean something. There's big value in this