I like collison's signing. I see the Collison/IT change at starter as a positive one not because either is better than the other but it is a change in the right direction when considered along side the acquisition of Nik. It is a step toward balancing more on offense or a least giving ourselves a better chance at better balance. I think in reading the repeated criticism of IT last year it was the perceptions of what IT did as a negative impact on offensive balance. Forget that, if this personnel change takes place. Of course the team has to create something in its place. That we will have to see. A real step in the right direction. Congrats PDA.
Kings sign Darren Collison
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I don't mind the signing. I'd rather have a player that will buy into playing more team oriented basketball than a chucking guard so while we lose some talent with IT gone, I'm willing to accept that it might be for the better. We don't need Collison to be one of our 18+ ppg scorers, if he can come in and contribute in a positive way, I will embrace him. I'm not sure I want him starting however, he is a nice backup PG to have but at this point....
I'm gonna give my two cents here. I think the continual talking about the negativity just adds fuel to the fire. Yes, some are more negative than others but dammit we are all Kings fans and we should be able to express our feelings, positive or negative. Most of us truly love our Kings. We may differ on the best way to improve the team, but we all want the same thing. We are Kings fans. We've survived more than any other fan base in memory and we're still here in numbers sharing our hopes, fears, dreams, joy, disappointment, etc.
While lots of us may have differing views on some things, at the end of the day we're Kings fans. And Kings fans (especially here on kingsfans.com) have always found a way to come together when it really matters.
Now, how about a group hug? No?
While lots of us may have differing views on some things, at the end of the day we're Kings fans. And Kings fans (especially here on kingsfans.com) have always found a way to come together when it really matters.
Now, how about a group hug? No?
Think of the Maloofs as the iceberg. The iceberg, in this case, tried to sink the ship. The ship (us) still sails. The iceberg (Maloofs) are nowhere to be found....we win this battle.
Right now, the question is about Collison's defense. There's conflicting views on his D. Numbers aren't too kind to him, but he's been known for defense at times. He has long arms and can be disruptive, but can he use his speed to stay in front of his man? A lot of that is understanding spacing and recovery time.
I like the signing. We didn't cripple ourselves financially for the foreseeable future and if we do end up looking for an upgrade at PG, his contract won't be that difficult to trade. However, I may end up liking this trade either more or less depending on what happens to IT. If we let IT walk for zilch, then I will like this less as we basically gave away talent. If we got a solid return for IT, I will like the signing quite a bit more.
Um, no way the Titanic metaphor works dude. Sorry. The Titanic is at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. That's not a win...
I'm gonna give my two cents here. I think the continual talking about the negativity just adds fuel to the fire. Yes, some are more negative than others but dammit we are all Kings fans and we should be able to express our feelings, positive or negative. Most of us truly love our Kings. We may differ on the best way to improve the team, but we all want the same thing. We are Kings fans. We've survived more than any other fan base in memory and we're still here in numbers sharing our hopes, fears, dreams, joy, disappointment, etc.
While lots of us may have differing views on some things, at the end of the day we're Kings fans. And Kings fans (especially here on kingsfans.com) have always found a way to come together when it really matters.
Now, how about a group hug? No?
While lots of us may have differing views on some things, at the end of the day we're Kings fans. And Kings fans (especially here on kingsfans.com) have always found a way to come together when it really matters.
Now, how about a group hug? No?
I'm gonna give my two cents here. I think the continual talking about the negativity just adds fuel to the fire. Yes, some are more negative than others but dammit we are all Kings fans and we should be able to express our feelings, positive or negative. Most of us truly love our Kings. We may differ on the best way to improve the team, but we all want the same thing. We are Kings fans. We've survived more than any other fan base in memory and we're still here in numbers sharing our hopes, fears, dreams, joy, disappointment, etc.
While lots of us may have differing views on some things, at the end of the day we're Kings fans. And Kings fans (especially here on kingsfans.com) have always found a way to come together when it really matters.
Now, how about a group hug? No?
While lots of us may have differing views on some things, at the end of the day we're Kings fans. And Kings fans (especially here on kingsfans.com) have always found a way to come together when it really matters.
Now, how about a group hug? No?
I have the same opinion of Stauskas as just about every rookie: It's unlikely he contributes much immediately; give him time. (This is exactly my viewpoint with respect to McLemore, for example). If Stauskas turns out to have a major impact in his first year, like Tyreke, great. But I wouldn't bank on it. I like the idea of adding an additional good ballhandler. SA shows the benefits of having several good ball handlers. Collison and Stauskas don't scare me as an opposing coach, even a couple of years from now. IT and Stauskas would scare me a lot more.
If this is the way it goes down, I would expect we'll be having conversations next year about drafting a point guard. And I hope Malone devises a team offense approach that proves me wrong.
If this is the way it goes down, I would expect we'll be having conversations next year about drafting a point guard. And I hope Malone devises a team offense approach that proves me wrong.
Heh, it's still a poor choice of metaphors though because the Titanic is really famous for one thing ... sinking on it's maiden voyage. It's a boat and it sunk so clearly it wasn't designed well enough. No doubt the Hindenburg as a stunning technological achievement in it's day as well. That doesn't make the word "Hindenburg" any less of a stigma today.
This simply has to be paired with resigning of IT. Otherwise, we got a worse ball-handler, worse ball-distributor and a far worse play maker. It's a step back-wards if we don't resign IT or make another move to bring in another guard.
With IT however, then we took amazingly positive steps towards improving our back-court. I see Collison and Stauskas as 2 guys who can contribute in a lot of ways and fill in a lot of the holes we had last season.
One thing to watch is Collison did spend some time playing off CP3 last year. So an IT-Collison show at the end of games is entirely a possibility
With IT however, then we took amazingly positive steps towards improving our back-court. I see Collison and Stauskas as 2 guys who can contribute in a lot of ways and fill in a lot of the holes we had last season.
One thing to watch is Collison did spend some time playing off CP3 last year. So an IT-Collison show at the end of games is entirely a possibility
I like this move. At minimum we aren't forced to spend more than we want on the PG position without a true star in the spot. And now we just have to figure out how to get a decent PF to play with Cousins. Is this where we role the dice and offer everything outside of the other projected starters for Love?
I do think it gives us more leverage in any IT scenario. Essentially nobody is going to try and outbid us on IT, or call our bluff. They know if they put in a high bid they are paying it. I don't think IT is an 8 million dollar player and I think we should keep him at 5 or 6 and make him the 6th man.
If we do lose him we aren't hamstrung on a bad S&T, we can move forward with Darren and Ray. I don't see this making us any worse than we were last year and we don't have the albatross of what to do with IT over our heads any longer.
I do think it gives us more leverage in any IT scenario. Essentially nobody is going to try and outbid us on IT, or call our bluff. They know if they put in a high bid they are paying it. I don't think IT is an 8 million dollar player and I think we should keep him at 5 or 6 and make him the 6th man.
If we do lose him we aren't hamstrung on a bad S&T, we can move forward with Darren and Ray. I don't see this making us any worse than we were last year and we don't have the albatross of what to do with IT over our heads any longer.
I would like this move if IT was staying, start Collison, bring IT as the 6th man, and you can even play them together as the Clippers did with he and Paul. If IT is indeed gone, your counting on Collison running the show for 30 minutes plus, he is a very good athlete, i'm not so sure he is a starting caliber point guard that manages a team for huge minutes. The x factors are if IT stays, or if Ray Mac develops into that natural scoring guard off the bench(what he naturally is but the fanbase wanted to view him as as a passing PG). I'll hold judgement until all the dust settles.
At this point man for man IT is a better player by a solid margin, Collison could be a better fit and seems to fit our coaches philosophy. If we can turn IT into Collison and another rotation player(preferably a defensive big), then I think its a solid trade off and indicative of what the fanbase has asked for(more balance of defense and offense).
At this point man for man IT is a better player by a solid margin, Collison could be a better fit and seems to fit our coaches philosophy. If we can turn IT into Collison and another rotation player(preferably a defensive big), then I think its a solid trade off and indicative of what the fanbase has asked for(more balance of defense and offense).
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The key here is if we can get something back for IT, he is not staying. This is more or less a like for like swap at what hopefully works out to be a cheaper cost.
If we could get IT for the same cost then I feel there will be a lot of upset fans here. Its key that at the end of the day we walk away with something.
Collision is a more well rounded PG but hes not the significant improvement many wanted.
If we could get IT for the same cost then I feel there will be a lot of upset fans here. Its key that at the end of the day we walk away with something.
Collision is a more well rounded PG but hes not the significant improvement many wanted.
I like the signing. It's not about bringing in, or keeping, the 12 most talented players in the league. Get a couple centerpieces and find solid players to surround those centerpieces with. Collison is a glue guy. He's been on some good teams and has won quite a few games, and he can bring that to the team. He's not spectacular, but he'll be the 4th option or so, and you don't need those guys to be spectacular.
Also LOVE the fact that he spent a year under CP3. It's not like Rodgers learning from Favre or anything, but spending a year learning from and competing against the best PG in the league can only help his growth as a player, physically and mentally.
He won't demand the ball or take a high number of shots and his assist numbers won't wow anyone, but I think he can be a 13/6 guy who does the little things to help win games.
Also LOVE the fact that he spent a year under CP3. It's not like Rodgers learning from Favre or anything, but spending a year learning from and competing against the best PG in the league can only help his growth as a player, physically and mentally.
He won't demand the ball or take a high number of shots and his assist numbers won't wow anyone, but I think he can be a 13/6 guy who does the little things to help win games.