Guess IT's next contract

What will IT's annual salary be?

  • 4 million or less

    Votes: 2 4.0%
  • 5 million

    Votes: 8 16.0%
  • 6 million

    Votes: 15 30.0%
  • 7 million

    Votes: 15 30.0%
  • 8 million

    Votes: 9 18.0%
  • 9 million

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • 10 million or more

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    50
#5
IT deserves 7 million, not a penny less. He elevated his game throughout this season and will do so in days to come. He's probably our most reliable player right after Cousins.
 
#13
I think the Kings will pay him $8M, just to pee off the guys on this board.

The profanity filter changed plss to pee? wtf that's crazy. To "pee somebody off" is not an expression... :(
 
#17
In terms of upside, sure. In terms of 2013/14 performance, definitely not.
Paying people based on one year of play results in giving big contracts to Larry Sanders, Charlie Villanueva or Ben Gordon.

Maybe Kyrie fizzles out and never develops into a star player. IMO, he is a second option on a team with no first option. IT, otoh, is a sixth man who thinks he is a first option. He's a talented little bugger, but when you pay your sixth man more than $5 million a year, he better be Manu Ginobli or Jamal Crawford.
 
#18
At 6 million a year, I could live with IT. Any penny more, and I think we are shooting ourselves in the foot. I think there will be a team that values him around 8 or 9 million.
 

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#19
I don't have a set figure in mind. That's PDA's job. I think it depends on what else happens. I am not and have never been against IT. He brings a lot of intangibles to the team that are just as important as his work on the court. The fact he's touring in India right now speaks to how much regard Vivek has for him.
 
#20
After 36 votes, the weighted average is 6.47 million a year. We'll see :)

Personally, for this amount I'm signing him without any hesitation.
 
#21
After 36 votes, the weighted average is 6.47 million a year. We'll see :)

Personally, for this amount I'm signing him without any hesitation.
I think that's fairly accurate. I'd sign him at that number as well, which possibly means we are lowballing here. Personally, I voted for 7 in the poll, because that is what I think he will get, and I think the Kings would match that. That is the most likely scenario in my opinion. There is an outside shot he gets 8, and I think that is when the Kings walk away.
 
#23
I don't have a set figure in mind. That's PDA's job. I think it depends on what else happens. I am not and have never been against IT. He brings a lot of intangibles to the team that are just as important as his work on the court. The fact he's touring in India right now speaks to how much regard Vivek has for him.
Very true. It's hard to believe that Vivek would let IT go to India or that IT would even go representing the Kings if there wasn't mutual interest for him to return. Leads me to believe that barring an insane offer from someone else, he'll be back.
 
#24
Those of you who are saying $7... in the real NBA world, is there really any difference between $7 and $8M? Does that mean your #8 & #9 guys in the rotation have to take a pay cut? That you pay luxury tax? What is the real difference? Serious question, not a rhetorical one. I've blasted IT more than I've supported him but I'm not gonna begrudge him getting paid properly after last year.

Seriously if you want a player - a real piece - at $7M, don't you also want him at $8M?

If IT gets paid less than $8M after what he did last year he should definitely fire his agent.
 
#25
Those of you who are saying $7... in the real NBA world, is there really any difference between $7 and $8M? Does that mean your #8 & #9 guys in the rotation have to take a pay cut? That you pay luxury tax? What is the real difference? Serious question, not a rhetorical one. I've blasted IT more than I've supported him but I'm not gonna begrudge him getting paid properly after last year.

Seriously if you want a player - a real piece - at $7M, don't you also want him at $8M?

If IT gets paid less than $8M after what he did last year he should definitely fire his agent.
not necessarily, because there's a fair amount of difference between $7 million per year and $8 million per year across several seasons, especially when you're brushing up with the possibility of having to pay out for the increasingly punitive luxury tax. salary cap management has become an art form in the nba, and if we're talking about a player that the front office considers to be a major component of the future, then i'm sure they won't be shy about writing the checks. now, is isaiah thomas one such player? i dunno. i suppose we'll find out...

really, the danger is not so much in overpaying to keep a single quality talent, but rather in stacking up hefty contracts for mid-level players (as the kings have been doing for almost a decade now), leaving the team with little flexibility and not much to build on. hopefully the new regime learned a lesson from the carl landry deal; you don't throw money around in desperation, not for roleplayers, not for "locker room guys," not even for the sake of "culture."

of course, the line is much, much blurrier with respect to isaiah thomas. he's not a star, nor is he a scrub. he's a first class scorer, but he's also undersized and a very weak defender. he's a capable playmaker, but there are questions about whether or not he can make his teammates better, particularly if there are other scorers whom he should defer to in the offensive hierarchy...

so what do you pay him? I see him as a long-term sixth man, so I pay him MLE money. but perhaps the front office sees him as a long-term starter, in which case they may be willing to write a larger check. then again, we've heard rumors that PDA already has a figure in mind for IT, a figure that i'm assuming he won't exceed, as was the case with tyreke evans. if nothing else, it should an interesting offseason. then again, we had an interesting offseason last year, too. i suppose my only hope is that it's not another disappointing offseason...
 
#26
Very true. It's hard to believe that Vivek would let IT go to India or that IT would even go representing the Kings if there wasn't mutual interest for him to return. Leads me to believe that barring an insane offer from someone else, he'll be back.
it certainly seems to indicate a mutual interest. however, it's worth noting that vivek made tyreke evans a focal point of the kings' here we stay rally last offseason, and both malone and PDA were singing evans' praises in advance of contract negotiations. malone, in particular, seemed very high on evans. then 'reke got a big offer from new orleans, and in the end, the kings didn't match. of course, it's a larger commitment to ask isaiah thomas to represent the team in india than to ask tyreke to participate in a local fan rally, but i think you take my point...

i share your belief, though, that unless someone offers thomas big time starter money, i would expect him to be back next season. desperately overpaying for players in the final tier of any given free agency period is a tragically common practice (curse you, carl landry!!!!), but i have a really hard time seeing anybody throwing more than $7-$8 million per at IT. i don't necessarily agree with matching such an offer, but it's certainly not an unreasonable evaluation to say that he's worth that amount...
 
#27
it certainly seems to indicate a mutual interest. however, it's worth noting that vivek made tyreke evans a focal point of the kings' here we stay rally last offseason, and both malone and PDA were singing evans' praises in advance of contract negotiations. malone, in particular, seemed very high on evans. then 'reke got a big offer from new orleans, and in the end, the kings didn't match. of course, it's a larger commitment to ask isaiah thomas to represent the team in india than to ask tyreke to participate in a local fan rally, but i think you take my point...

i share your belief, though, that unless someone offers thomas big time starter money, i would expect him to be back next season. desperately overpaying for players in the final tier of any given free agency period is a tragically common practice (curse you, carl landry!!!!), but i have a really hard time seeing anybody throwing more than $7-$8 million per at IT. i don't necessarily agree with matching such an offer, but it's certainly not an unreasonable evaluation to say that he's worth that amount...
But there was also a big difference with what Tyreke got and the number we had in mind for him. IIRC, we were set on a 4/$32 mil deal for him right? and he ended getting 4/$44. That's a big difference for a player we obviously felt was going to be more of a complimentary piece rather than a building block.

Here's the slightly scary thing with IT deal this year and a slight difference between resigning him and Tyreke. Last year, we had IT, what we thought was an 18 PPG scorer in Thornton and an exciting new rookie in McLemore, who has been the FO golden child since we drafted him on the roster when dealing with Reke. So while we would have welcomed Tyreke back at the right price, it was much easier for the FO to stick to their guns when we thought we had the guard depth to move on from him without really losing much production

A year later, that plan has backfired quite a bit. Thornton was a pretty big disappointment on both ends. His failure at the beginning of the year to be a #2 option is a reason I think we went out and made the Gay trade. McLemore is pretty much all potential still at this point after being one of the worst players in the entire NBA to receive major minutes last season. It's very much up in the air whether or not he can be a starter or even rotational player for a winning team. He's obviously still very young and has time to develop, but he's not someone you can rely on for consistent production next year.

That leaves IT as the only NBA caliber guard on the roster. And that puts us in a tough spot when making the call to resign him or not. Ray did an admirable job with his ironman act of playing 45 MPG as a starter and showed some nice qualities such as ball security, BUT he's clearly not ready to run a team. His defense isn't nearly good enough to make up for how bad his scoring was, or his extremely mediocre (being generous) playmaking.

I don't know about you, but a main guard rotation of Ray-Ben-rookie (Smart? Staukas?) is terrifying to think about, especially if we're trying to make a playoff push next year. Shuttling that as our guard rotation also doesn't show Cuz we're serious about winning in the very near future.

Guys like Lowry or Rondo are pipe-dreams also; something that won't happen or something we should rely on happening.
 
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#28
Those of you who are saying $7... in the real NBA world, is there really any difference between $7 and $8M? Does that mean your #8 & #9 guys in the rotation have to take a pay cut? That you pay luxury tax? What is the real difference? Serious question, not a rhetorical one. I've blasted IT more than I've supported him but I'm not gonna begrudge him getting paid properly after last year.

Seriously if you want a player - a real piece - at $7M, don't you also want him at $8M?

If IT gets paid less than $8M after what he did last year he should definitely fire his agent.
I don't know. Would you be a little more cautious about how much you drive and what vehicle you drive if gas was $6 a gallon versus $5?
 
#29
$7 million is also roughly around where the luxury tax would kick in if all other salary remains equal (Gay opts in, and standard ~$3 million for the rookie).