I've seen this question being raised on other forums, and it seems the consensus is that a pick in the 20-30 range is acceptable for him. Some even went as far as saying 15-30 is a good price for him, but Gary is right. Nobody in their right mind would give up a top 10 pick for Thomas in this draft.
Draft position thread
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I just don't get it, George must be the most underrated player on this board or something. Or wiggins is still living off high school hype. George is the best perimeter defender so how can you say wiggins is already better. And he is just as athletic as wiggins except he can use it better because he can dribble.
I was specifically comparing the two as college players. And on that front my eyes tell me Wiggins is a better defender now than George was at Fresno State. Most certainly better than George was as a freshman playing against a lower level of competition. After all George's first game was against Sac State. Wiggins debuted against Duke. Their rookie numbers are pretty close with George going for 14.3 ppg and 6.2 rpg vs Wiggins 16 & 6 against better teams. George was clearly a better shooter, especially from distance but Wiggins is just slightly more athletic and (to me) a better defender at the same stage. The rest of their rookie stats are very similar. And George has a great handle now but it was a knock on him in college and especially his freshman year. Just like Wiggins people saw the potential for him to be a good ballhandler and create his own shot but his freshman year he too often settled for long jumpers because he couldn't beat his man off the dribble or pull up and shoot effectively.
Paul George is a bonafide stud at this point and if he came out of college as the player he is now he'd have been the clearest #1 pick since LeBron. But he didn't. He came out just like Wiggins will - as a huge upside player with a long way to go to fulfill that promise.
Paul George is a bonafide stud at this point and if he came out of college as the player he is now he'd have been the clearest #1 pick since LeBron. But he didn't. He came out just like Wiggins will - as a huge upside player with a long way to go to fulfill that promise.
Even his personal trainer was surprised, just how dedicated PG turned out to be, and how quickly he progressed, so I wouldn't bet on the same learning curve from prospect with similar tools, since you have no idea, what mental makeup of Wiggins has. You just don't know about bolded part of your post. And betting on that, as if that was absolutely true is setting yourself up for disappointment.
P.S. Out of all top prospects this year only Exum was described as overly dedicated and student of the game, and it's easy to understand, why Kobe would be his favorite player.
P.S. Out of all top prospects this year only Exum was described as overly dedicated and student of the game, and it's easy to understand, why Kobe would be his favorite player.
Yeah, I have no idea what Wiggin's mentality is and I think a big part of the pre draft process with him will be GMs trying to decipher his desire to be great and inquiring about his work ethic.
Exum is incredibly intriguing to me. And good to hear that he's a gym rat. But he's also likely to be the slowest lottery pick out of the gate just because of the huge jump in competition level. Prep to pro players not named LeBron take a while. Kobe and KG showed real flashes but wven they werent great out if the gate. I'm guessing a rookie season equivalent to Nowitzki's.
Exum is incredibly intriguing to me. And good to hear that he's a gym rat. But he's also likely to be the slowest lottery pick out of the gate just because of the huge jump in competition level. Prep to pro players not named LeBron take a while. Kobe and KG showed real flashes but wven they werent great out if the gate. I'm guessing a rookie season equivalent to Nowitzki's.
I think IT will sign with the Kings this Summer. Even though I like Jimmer, I think he'll be traded so we could draft Exum. Randle or Vonleh if we're looking to have JT come off the bench
Or maybe IT/Jimmer are still here next year and so we're looking to upgrade JT?
Vonleh might take a while to adapt to the NBA, but he can shoot! 52% from 3 Point... I want Vonleh!
Or maybe IT/Jimmer are still here next year and so we're looking to upgrade JT?
Vonleh might take a while to adapt to the NBA, but he can shoot! 52% from 3 Point... I want Vonleh!
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This is one year where I think the concept of drafting BPA can be thrown out as if Randle is available whenever we draft, there is someone else more useful available. Given the vagaries of how people develop, BPA is not an exact science.The kings can draft for BPA, but just take Randle. I wouldn't mind him on the kings, but I just don't see how he fits. I think he can improve on defense, but right now I wouldn't want him next to Cuz.
My personal rankings-
1. Embiid
2. Exum
3. Wiggins
4. Parker
5. Vonleh
6. Cauley-Stein
7. Tyler Ennis
8. Doug McDermott
9. Dario Saric
10. Marcus Smart
11. Aaron Gordon
My personal rankings-
1. Embiid
2. Exum
3. Wiggins
4. Parker
5. Vonleh
6. Cauley-Stein
7. Tyler Ennis
8. Doug McDermott
9. Dario Saric
10. Marcus Smart
11. Aaron Gordon
Yes, and it might be better for the morale of the organization to not flat out nose dive down the stretch of the season. It is a tease for me though to hang around 3rd and 4th worst record when my intellectual mind knows that it's probably going to be a non impact pick with big 3 in tact for the remainder of the season
This is what has me wondering what they are going to do. Two of their minutes I don't see changing because they are the "big" two going forward (hopefully with Gay opting out and resigning at a more reasonable contract) but the third one I would really like to see minutes lowered with a more balanced approach.
I guess it depends what your looking for. Being "pro tank" I want a high pick. I would like to believe management is getting on board with a conservative approach to winning starting with their aim at playing the youth. I wouldn't mind personally for gay and cuz minutes to be phased down because I don't want wins. However I understand if management does not want to teach or promote a losing culture and won't implement my desires
With our record I don't know why Cousins is coming back before being 120 percent. I'm guessing both he and Malone have no concern about whether we're in the mix for Parker/wiggins as opposed to hood/vonleh or whoever. I respect that about both of them and you need players and coaches with winning personalities, but as pro tank I personally see it as an organization working against itself
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At this point, drafting a Parker/Wiggins would be nice but it seems like Gay, IT and Cousins are the future at least temporarily. We will draft a shot blocker and hope that Ben Mac turns out to be a great shooter/defender for us.
Too many "hopes" and gambles for this team. I honestly think we should have just kept Cousins out a bit more and secured a top 5 pick but whatever. Cauley-Stein would be nice or even Vonleh.
Too many "hopes" and gambles for this team. I honestly think we should have just kept Cousins out a bit more and secured a top 5 pick but whatever. Cauley-Stein would be nice or even Vonleh.
