Kings active in trade talks?
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no no no no no no no. Kyrie Irving is a great player..but if the kings want to make a playoff run with DMC and Gay.. I don't see how Irving fits.. He shoots a lot, he's injury prone, he's a bad defender, and he's not a great passer. To add onto this, he's not even a consistent offensive player.. Once every now and then, he can give you 30pts with 20shots..but end up only having 5asts. Then other nights he'll give you 10asts 7-20. I do not want Irving.. he's a great player, but doesn't fit us since DMC is already our franchise player that demands the ball. I wouldn't want him unless he can take better shot selections and score at a more consistent rate. Another key thing would be to improve on setting up his teammates.. One thing you forgot to mention was... no way Cleveland makes this deal. They'll want the same value in return. If not that, they'll be asking for our 1st rounders till 2020..
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Kyrie Iriving is one of the most overrated players I have seen in my lifetime. Watching him it's kind of like watching Thomas (Irving is more talented) he just lacks that something (not talking about height) to be a elite PG that actually makes others better. Honestly I rather just pay Thomas 8million than give Kyrie a max deal.
I don't see Isaiah as a "pillar of the franchise" player, but a lot of what he's saying here makes sense. We do need to be targeting defenders, though he's mentioning a lot of SGs and doesn't seem to be all that aware that Ben McLemore exists. We also need talent more than cap space and long-term projects so targeting established players who've fallen out of favor (like Rudy Gay) isn't a bad strategy to take assuming they're the right players. It can be a dangerous strategy though because if it doesn't work out, you've killed your ability to make changes (see for example Isiah Thomas' Knicks). He's also picked out the same three prospects that I have on the top of my wishlist for the draft: Embiid, Wiggins, and Exum. To get any of them would require us to have a top 5 pick though and maybe even top 3. Great if it happens but we need to be looking for talent in the 5-10 range as well as that's a more likely scenario.
So according to sac town we are able to trade our pick. They said PDA said this so there offer for Rondo is ben/it/ and a pick. Which I would be all over. Get DMC/gay a real 3rd option with defense and surround these guys with good role players and we got something
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Rajon Rondo, PG, Boston Celtics
If Sacramento wants to swing for the fences, they could probably getRajon Rondo. It likely mean giving up Isaiah Thomas and Ben McLemore and maybe even this year's draft pick (apparently we can trade it according to Pete D'Alessandro, it's just complicated). The Celtics aren't going to trade Rondo unless they get quite a bit back. I'm not sure it'd be totally worth it either given his recent injury history.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2014/...alty&utm_medium=nextclicks&utm_campaign=blogs
Rajon Rondo, PG, Boston Celtics
If Sacramento wants to swing for the fences, they could probably getRajon Rondo. It likely mean giving up Isaiah Thomas and Ben McLemore and maybe even this year's draft pick (apparently we can trade it according to Pete D'Alessandro, it's just complicated). The Celtics aren't going to trade Rondo unless they get quite a bit back. I'm not sure it'd be totally worth it either given his recent injury history.
Taj Gibson is available. Would be a good fit next to Cousins.
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Chicago obviously doesn't want salary back past this season, if they are doing it to get cap space. So it would have to be Landry/JT sent out in the same trade, probably both, since Gibson makes $2 million more than either and Kings will be in real danger of becoming LT payer next season, other teams would know that, so PDA will have to overpay to get rid of salary.
Not sure if you're suggesting a multi-team deal, but obviously because the Bulls don't want salary back, I don't see why they'd be interested in Landry or JT.
Maybe you could concoct something with Charlotte and Ben Gordon's expiring, with JT and someone going there. I don't think the Bulls would want to help the Bobcats improve, though, considering the Bobcats owe the Bulls their 1st!
Maybe you could concoct something with Charlotte and Ben Gordon's expiring, with JT and someone going there. I don't think the Bulls would want to help the Bobcats improve, though, considering the Bobcats owe the Bulls their 1st!
It's not entirely clear what is meant by "we can trade it but it's complicated". There appear to be four legal scenarios under which we can trade this year's draft pick:
1) Wait until draft day. On draft day, our 2014 pick (which we presume we will keep due to the 1-12 protection) will no longer be a future pick, and will not be subject to the Stepien Rule.
2) Get that protected pick back. Before any other transactions, we could make a trade with the Bulls that gets us our protected pick back. If we reacquire that pick we are free of all Stepien Rule considerations (until we trade another first-rounder).
3) Trade for another 2014 pick. If we acquire another team's (unprotected) 2014 pick, we can trade our own because the Stepien Rule only requires us to have a first-round pick, not necessarily our own first-round pick.
4) Trade "right to swap picks". This is essentially a special case of 3) above. We can, for instance, trade another team the right to swap first-round picks with us (13-30 protected this year, etc. - the inverse of the Cleveland->Chicago pick's protection), which would guarantee that we would have a first-rounder.
If there are any other ways that PDA has of getting around the Stepien Rule, I'd love to hear them, because I can't come up with any.
Of the above options, #4 is the only one that can be easily done (i.e., without a second team or a second transaction) before the trade deadline. Of course, Boston is worse than we are right now, so the right to swap (with their own pick) probably wouldn't be too enticing. It turns out that Boston also owns Philly's pick (only if Philly makes the playoffs, which would seem unlikely, and even then would be about a #15 pick) and they own the worse of Brooklyn (currently 16th) and Atlanta's (currently 19th) picks. My best guess is that if we were to make a "pick" deal with Boston, it would be to give the Celtics the right to swap our 2014 pick for the Brooklyn/Atlanta pick. Most likely that would drop us down about 10 slots. For a healthy Rondo, it would be tough to say no, right?
1) Wait until draft day. On draft day, our 2014 pick (which we presume we will keep due to the 1-12 protection) will no longer be a future pick, and will not be subject to the Stepien Rule.
2) Get that protected pick back. Before any other transactions, we could make a trade with the Bulls that gets us our protected pick back. If we reacquire that pick we are free of all Stepien Rule considerations (until we trade another first-rounder).
3) Trade for another 2014 pick. If we acquire another team's (unprotected) 2014 pick, we can trade our own because the Stepien Rule only requires us to have a first-round pick, not necessarily our own first-round pick.
4) Trade "right to swap picks". This is essentially a special case of 3) above. We can, for instance, trade another team the right to swap first-round picks with us (13-30 protected this year, etc. - the inverse of the Cleveland->Chicago pick's protection), which would guarantee that we would have a first-rounder.
If there are any other ways that PDA has of getting around the Stepien Rule, I'd love to hear them, because I can't come up with any.
Of the above options, #4 is the only one that can be easily done (i.e., without a second team or a second transaction) before the trade deadline. Of course, Boston is worse than we are right now, so the right to swap (with their own pick) probably wouldn't be too enticing. It turns out that Boston also owns Philly's pick (only if Philly makes the playoffs, which would seem unlikely, and even then would be about a #15 pick) and they own the worse of Brooklyn (currently 16th) and Atlanta's (currently 19th) picks. My best guess is that if we were to make a "pick" deal with Boston, it would be to give the Celtics the right to swap our 2014 pick for the Brooklyn/Atlanta pick. Most likely that would drop us down about 10 slots. For a healthy Rondo, it would be tough to say no, right?
I wouldn't trust STR. They aren't very reliable and all their editors are *****.
edit: does anyone remember sites that posted DMC trades?? Here Here here. There was many many many more especially around this time last year... many boston fans tried to give us Fab Melo and Jared Sullinger for DMC.. but hesitant to even include Sullinger. Even Yahoo had a few articles for DMC trades that were just as ugly.
edit: does anyone remember sites that posted DMC trades?? Here Here here. There was many many many more especially around this time last year... many boston fans tried to give us Fab Melo and Jared Sullinger for DMC.. but hesitant to even include Sullinger. Even Yahoo had a few articles for DMC trades that were just as ugly.
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Its easier to get those types of players when you do not have someone like DMC on your team. When you do, you need to know that DMC will/should play around 35 minutes per game. The defensive big, to have real impact needs to play for more than just a quarter. They need to be able to play with the big guy that is your franchise player.
That is why it is going to be problematic for us to get that right fit next to Cousins who can play with him and anchor your defense without him. A Serge Ibaka would be ideal. Maybe last season's version of Sanders (though you would like some solid mid range game there to keep defenses honest). I liked Gobert in the draft last year but it would be difficult to see how him. And Cousins could play significant minutes together.
If Hassan Whiteside had a better IQ than a bucket of shrimp, he might just have been the type of player that could play that role.
That is why it is going to be problematic for us to get that right fit next to Cousins who can play with him and anchor your defense without him. A Serge Ibaka would be ideal. Maybe last season's version of Sanders (though you would like some solid mid range game there to keep defenses honest). I liked Gobert in the draft last year but it would be difficult to see how him. And Cousins could play significant minutes together.
If Hassan Whiteside had a better IQ than a bucket of shrimp, he might just have been the type of player that could play that role.
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We should get Tim Hardaway Jr. He's going to be a star next season. His shooting is superb. If you take out his 3rd and 4th game in the league, he's been a very consistent shooter from beyond the arc. He's very efficient and shoots better than Ben Mac.
In fact, I'd be ok to give up Ben Mac + a jimmer, JT, or even IT (if we get a draft pick from them) for Timmy boy + draft pick.
Get a top 10 pick from them plus our top 10 pick. We could get lucky and get Cauley Stein/Vonleh + another player like Exum, Wiggins, Embiid, etc. I think New York would be ok with giving up a draft pick.
In fact, I'd be ok to give up Ben Mac + a jimmer, JT, or even IT (if we get a draft pick from them) for Timmy boy + draft pick.
Get a top 10 pick from them plus our top 10 pick. We could get lucky and get Cauley Stein/Vonleh + another player like Exum, Wiggins, Embiid, etc. I think New York would be ok with giving up a draft pick.
The Pistons would trade Josh Smith if they could. What do you think, guys? SOURCE (NBCSPORTS)
An example trade from Pistons fans is Marcus Thornton plus filler, like Jimmer or Derrick Williams, for Smith. SOURCE (SBNATION)
An example trade from Pistons fans is Marcus Thornton plus filler, like Jimmer or Derrick Williams, for Smith. SOURCE (SBNATION)
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