Draft position thread

Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

All-Star
#1
#1
New Orleans1825.41916 ½10-118-143-78-20100.8102.7-1.9Won 23-7
Charlotte1927.4131711-138-141-715-1693.997.2-3.2Lost 24-6
Detroit1727.386187-1510-125-315-1299.7103.2-3.5Lost 43-7
New York1727.386189-158-122-613-1696.299.3-3.2Won 25-5
Cleveland1628.3641911-115-173-810-1996.2101.3-5.1Lost 15-5
LA Lakers1629.35619 ½8-118-184-69-18100.8106.1-5.3Lost 42-8
Utah1629.35619 ½10-126-173-79-2195.0101.1-6.2Won 25-5
Sacramento1529.341209-156-142-810-20102.2104.8-2.7Lost 43-7
Boston1531.326219-146-173-312-1594.798.6-3.9Lost 22-8
Philadelphia1431.31121 ½8-156-162-59-18101.3109.9-8.6Lost 32-8
Orlando1233.26723 ½9-143-193-79-1796.5102.2-5.6Lost 12-8
Milwaukee836.182274-174-193-77-2291.1101.0-9.8Lost 31-9

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/group/1

now that's how we do it. we're now tied w/ boston for 4th place now.



my draft wishlist
embiid (embiid, cousins, gay, mclemore, (PG))
wiggins (cousins, thompson, gay, wiggins, (PG))
exum (cousins, thompson, gay, mclemore, exum)
parker (cousins, thompson, parker, gay, (PG))
vonleh (cousins, vonleh, gay, mclemore, (PG))
 
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Glenn

Glenn

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Good list. You left off Randle but I understand why. I personally think Randle could very well be the best but he duplicates a lot of what Cousins does. I have made the argument several times that as the difference between these guys isn't all that clear and because people evolve in ways you can't predict, pick for need and not BPA. The top 5 are interchangeable the way I look at it and 6-10 are realatively interchangeable. What I mean is that if BPA is invoked the top 5 are better than the next 5. I would draft an interior defender and get our PG needs met some other way.

I absolutely do not think the team should deliberately tank, though. We have our franchise player and we have our #2. We have what we need and simply need complimentary players AND we need to learn how to win. I would never tall the coach or the players to tank. I would tell them to learn as a team and bust their ass. Thinking of improving draft position is the only way that having Cuz and Gay out can be tolerable. I have to admit that. Let them heal. Don't throw them back into the game prematurely which is the more normal thing to do. Let's not mess these guys up more than they are. Cuz will be OK and maybe Gay will be OK but as of now, Gay's achilles is weakened and why chance a major injury. I'll leave it up to the doctors.

Don't tank in the classical way. It's bad for the team and the fans.
 
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whozit

whozit

Starter
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I'll let the balls fall were they fall. To improve our draft position implies losing on purpose. Holding out Cousins and Gay for health reasons (no need to rush their return and risk greater injury) is one thing, just about anything else not sure I can be on-board with.
 
Glenn

Glenn

Hall of Famer
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whozit said:
I'll let the balls fall were they fall. To improve our draft position implies losing on purpose. Holding out Cousins and Gay for health reasons (no need to rush their return and risk greater injury) is one thing, just about anything else not sure I can be on-board with.
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What he said in so many fewer words.
 
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fanop

Bench
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I think as long as we get in the top 8 which we have been for years... we can get pretty quality players. There's Parker, Wiggins, Embiid, Smart, Exum, Randle, Gordon, Cauley- Stein, Garry Harris, and Noah. Many more, but I think we can get some quality players even if we were to draft at 10.
 
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Gilles

Starter
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Kings are not gonna get into top-5. There will be like 5% to get into top-3 in the lottery, so we shouldn't expect a high pick. Unless Cousins and/or Gay take longer to get healthy. ;) Or there's some major trade at the deadline.
Denver, Minny and Memphis get wins regularly lately, so getting higher than 12th place in Western Conference is out of the question, which in turn means Kings will pick at least 11th. New York and Cleveland are getting wins via EC sucking charity. Would be nice,if Pistons remembered that they made "win now" moves in the offseason. Don't see any way that Kings will drop lower than Boston, Philly, Magic or Bucks. Returning back to WC Utah is 14-18 with Burke playing, so expect them to surpass Kings and be ahead at least for some time. Lakers will get some of their players back in the following week, and Pelicans are inconsistent, so they can go both ways. So realistically we should expect a pick in 7-10 range, get a big and go home happy. Hope Yogi Ferrell will continue his glory ways and get Indiana bounced early in both Conference and Big Tourneys. Then Vonleh might be available in Kings range.
 
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randymoss1881

Starter
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If we are picking 7-10 I would also add LaVine and have mclemore come off the bench. We would have 2 elite shooter/athletes at the 2guard or we could transition LaVine into a pg. I think you have to take chances and I'll take my chances of converting LaVine into a steph curry like point guard.

I wouldn't mind randle if we got him around 7-9 and groom him to come off the bench as a 6th man.
 
Big Cuz 15

Big Cuz 15

All-Star
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i would definitely hold cousins and gay out as long as they need to heal. the team isn't making the playoffs. no point in getting them back early. there are guys getting development time that normally wouldn't. ray mcallum, jimmer, ben, landry and williams. it's a win win all the way around.
 
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Gilles

Starter
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LaVine is much farther than Ben is from contributing. He's weak, not much better handles than McLemore, doesn't get on FT line and, when he does, Zach is shooting very suspect percentage (very small sample size), so he might take time to adjust to new distance of 3 point shot.

cuad said:
I don't understand ur stats above. I just know that 6th worst is not bad enough!
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"Won 49-1" means won last 4, 9-1 over the last 10 games.
 
whozit

whozit

Starter
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cuad said:
I don't understand ur stats above. I just know that 6th worst is not bad enough!
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The Kings were getting close to .500 ball since the Gay trade before the injuries to him and Cousins. The team was getting better. The Kings are currently 15-27 and Detroit is 17-26 sitting in ninth place in the East. It is entirely plausible (depending on how long the two of them are out) that the Kings could have a better record than any non-playoff team in the East. It is important that the Kings go into the off-season with hope for both the team's sake but also the fans, the honeymoon period will only last so long without progress on and off the court. Right now there is hope on both fronts and that needs to remain.
 
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fanop

Bench
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Gilles said:
LaVine is much farther than Ben is from contributing. He's weak, not much better handles than McLemore, doesn't get on FT line and, when he does, Zach is shooting very suspect percentage (very small sample size), so he might take time to adjust to new distance of 3 point shot.

"Won 49-1" means won last 4, 9-1 over the last 10 games.
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I think he's getting too much hype because of Westrbook..
 
Capt. Factorial

Capt. Factorial

ceterum censeo delendum esse Argentum
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fanop said:
I think he's getting too much hype because of Westrbook..
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LaVine is not really a Westbrook-type player in my eyes. He's probably not going to be a point guard, and he's a much better shooter. Not nearly as strong as Westbrook, and not nearly the defender. That said, he has had moments this year that have been jawdropping. But if we were to look at (another) SG in that range I'd certainly give a lot of thought to Gary Harris. Much better all-around player, good defender, kind of has the size, athleticism, and passion of a young DWade. And a better shooter. He's a bit small for a SG, and he's not a PG, but he could be special on both sides of the ball.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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Capt. Factorial said:
LaVine is not really a Westbrook-type player in my eyes. He's probably not going to be a point guard, and he's a much better shooter. Not nearly as strong as Westbrook, and not nearly the defender. That said, he has had moments this year that have been jawdropping. But if we were to look at (another) SG in that range I'd certainly give a lot of thought to Gary Harris. Much better all-around player, good defender, kind of has the size, athleticism, and passion of a young DWade. And a better shooter. He's a bit small for a SG, and he's not a PG, but he could be special on both sides of the ball.
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I agree completely. Harris is a much more complete player. Lavine has the benefit of coming off the bench, and he's not the center of attraction either. I think he's probably going to be a good player someday, but he's not ready for the big time yet. Terrific athlete though. My hope is that we end up in the Vonleh/Cauley-Stein range. But hey, if the basketball god's want to smile on us and throw us into the top three, I'm on board.
 
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fanop

Bench
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Capt. Factorial said:
LaVine is not really a Westbrook-type player in my eyes. He's probably not going to be a point guard, and he's a much better shooter. Not nearly as strong as Westbrook, and not nearly the defender. That said, he has had moments this year that have been jawdropping. But if we were to look at (another) SG in that range I'd certainly give a lot of thought to Gary Harris. Much better all-around player, good defender, kind of has the size, athleticism, and passion of a young DWade. And a better shooter. He's a bit small for a SG, and he's not a PG, but he could be special on both sides of the ball.
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I think teams are hoping he can become a combo guard similar to Westbrook. I'll disagree with you there. I see him as a Westbrook type player because of his athleticism and quickness. He's shown to be a good defender, but not to Westbrook's ability. I see the PG potential in LaVine. He's shooting much better than Westbrook was at this point in their college careers.

LaVine would be a great player for us to draft....if we were drafting in the 20-30s. He has potential and I think that's what teams are going for. It would be a good gamble...I just looked it up..and the kings do not have a 2nd round pick... another interesting thing is that we still owe the Knicks a 2nd round pick from 2009. It would be good if we can somehow get a pick in the 2nd round because there's still a bunch of talent at PG if we draft a big in the 1st. I think the kings should consider trading down with the Bobcats if the top 6 guys are gone and if the Bobcats are still within the top 10. Trade our pick for the Bobcat's two first rounders. Minny did a similar trade with the Jazz last year.
 
Capt. Factorial

Capt. Factorial

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fanop said:
I just looked it up..and the kings do not have a 2nd round pick... another interesting thing is that we still owe the Knicks a 2nd round pick from 2009.
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Well, that 2014 pick is protected for spots 31-55 and extinguishes if not conveyed. Then we subsequently traded the 31-55 portion of that pick to Toronto (which is where it's going to go). The point being, we won't be giving the Knicks a pick on that deal. But we don't have a second-rounder this year.

I think the kings should consider trading down with the Bobcats if the top 6 guys are gone and if the Bobcats are still within the top 10. Trade our pick for the Bobcat's two first rounders. Minny did a similar trade with the Jazz last year.
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Depending on where all those picks land, that could be a decent strategy. But we'll have to see. I certainly could find several first-rounders in this draft I'd like to snag.
 
Kingsfan23

Kingsfan23

All-Star
#21
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I don't expect or want to see cuz or gay before Feb 5, after a home stand with mediocre opponents and right before we start the road/tough stretch of the season
 
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fanop

Bench
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Capt. Factorial said:
Well, that 2014 pick is protected for spots 31-55 and extinguishes if not conveyed. Then we subsequently traded the 31-55 portion of that pick to Toronto (which is where it's going to go). The point being, we won't be giving the Knicks a pick on that deal. But we don't have a second-rounder this year.



Depending on where all those picks land, that could be a decent strategy. But we'll have to see. I certainly could find several first-rounders in this draft I'd like to snag.
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Wow just looked it up and the Bobcats have 3 1st rounders.. including their own, they have one from Piston and the Trailblazers. They have a good GM
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
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fanop said:
Wow just looked it up and the Bobcats have 3 1st rounders.. including their own, they have one from Piston and the Trailblazers. They have a good GM
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Except they're the Cats so they'll find a way to get the least possible value from those picks. Michael Jordan teams draft worse than just about anyone else.
 
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fanop

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Tetsujin said:
Except they're the Cats so they'll find a way to get the least possible value from those picks. Michael Jordan teams draft worse than just about anyone else.
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The last 2 years he hasn't been too bad. He drafted MKG who was pretty high on a lot of boards. They needed a SF and he was a top 5 pick. (I secretly hoped for him fall to us). He's turning out to be decent, but not a superstar. Cody Zeller was a decent pick, but I feel like he was pretty upset that Bennett was drafted #1 overall..
 
Kingsfan23

Kingsfan23

All-Star
#27
#27
VF21 said:
Every fiber of my being tells me to just ignore this, but ...

We're not tanking. We are simply not that good, especially without Cousins, Gay or IT...

To continue to view our team this year as being in "tank"mode is an insult to Vivek Ranadive and all the other owners.
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Lol, yeah I guess tanking means different things to different people. I, and I think a lot of others, just use it synonymously with hoping they lose.
As for the organization itself, I'm sure everyone is trying to win and a positive culture is being instilled
 
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