Kings possible draft picks game

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

You know, I was looking at the statistics for the last couple years of which team got the #1 draft pick and surprisingly in the last 23 years, only 2 worst record teams actually got the #1 spot.


More surprisingly, in the last 9 years:


2005Milwaukee Bucks30–52 (6th-worst)63 (out of 1000)6.30%Andrew Bogut
2006Toronto Raptors27–55 (5th-worst)88 (out of 1000)8.80%Andrea Bargnani
2007Portland Trail Blazers32–50 (6th-worst)53 (out of 1000)5.30%Greg Oden
2008Chicago Bulls33–49 (9th-worst)17 (out of 1000)1.70%Derrick Rose
2009Los Angeles Clippers19–63 (2nd-worst)177 (out of 1000)17.70%Blake Griffin
2010Washington Wizards26–56 (5th-worst)103 (out of 1000)10.30%John Wall
2011Los Angeles Clippers
(traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers)32–50 (8th-worst)28 (out of 1000)2.80%Kyrie Irving
2012New Orleans Hornets21-45 (T-3rd-worst)137(out of 1000)13.70%Anthony Davis
2013Cleveland Cavaliers24–58 (3rd-worst)156(out of 1000)15.60%Anthony Bennett

6 out of those 9 years, the teams that got the #1 draft pick only had a record that was 5th-9th worst in the NBA.
I think the Kings will fall somewhere between 8th and 11th worst team in the NBA. Which means we can still draft Wiggins!! That would be a dream. I'd trade Ben Mac right away for a defensive power forward and a backup defensive point guard. We'd be a playoff team without a doubt. I just have a feeling that it's not going to happen as we are a small market club and the NBA probably doesn't care too much about us right now (if we assume the draft is rigged). Anyhow, it would be a dream to get a top 5 draft pick because we'd have the opportunity to get one of: Embiid, Randle, Exum, etc.



I think the most surprising one in NBA history had to of been:

1993Orlando Magic41–41 (11th-worst)1 (out of 66)1.52%Chris Webber

The Magic were a .500 team! And they got the #1 draft pick...wow intense.

Coincidentally, The Orlando Magic drafted Shaq the previous draft year.They traded both of them away and both became the stars of their teams for the next decade (arguably two of the best big men in the NBA). Imagine if the Magic kept Shaq and Webber....

They also had Nick Anderson who was quite a stud that year in the NBA. He was an excellent defender as well. One of the best in the league.
I don't know what they were thinking.

I'd say in the last 20 years, the Magic have had the best draft picks: Shaq, Webber, Howard...extremely lucky.

 

[Dime Dropper]

The draft isn't rigged, though. Assuming it is is just silly, as it's clearly not.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

The draft isn't rigged, though. Assuming it is is just silly, as it's clearly not.

I personally don't think it's rigged either. It's a fairly good system. I don't think that the worst record NBA team should have the #1 pick automatically because that would encourage tanking which would destroy the league IMO.
I think it's also good that the worst NBA record team hasn't had the #1 draft pick too often in history. It encourages teams to actually play till the very last game of the season.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Also, i'd like to mention a good second round draft pick in Bojan Bogdanovic. An international from Partizan Belgrade, Serbia. Being Serbian and all, I follow our league a lot and Euroleague and I must say he's really had a breakout season this year. He played well for Serbia at the European Championship and has really established himself as a very good shooter with really good athleticism for a European player. He's 6'7 but plays a SG role which he excels in. Currently, he's playing PG for Partizan and doing really well (see quote below). He could be a potential backup for Ben Mac and Rudy Gay. He's also a decent ball handler (like most Europeans) which would alleviate IT a lot from having to handle the ball all the time. It's looking very likely that he'll enter the draft this summer and is projected to go late second round from multiple sources; however, I think he's a late first round quality type of player considering his outbreak in Euroleague this season. Just a thought.

"After the injury of the French point guard Westermann (torn ACL), Bogdanovic has become the starting point guard for Partizan, showing remarkable passing skills and court vision, even if he's not perfectly suited for the role. His natural game comprehension and poise allows him to play the role of offensive facilitator, with the assist/turnover ratio of 8, and a season high of 10 assists during his last Euroleague game. He’s able to exploit his solid structure to draw contact when attacking the basket or posting up other backcourt players, even if he struggles to create his own shot from the dribble, since ball handling is definitely an area of improvement for him. His main shortcoming is still his shooting, including sometimes shot selection, even if he has shown some improvement since the beginning of the season (43% from the field in ABA League thus far). On the defensive side he shows a good attitude, but he tends to struggle against quicker guards due to poor lateral speed. He’s currently averaging 13.6 points 3.4 rebounds and 2.9 assists in Euroleague, 16.4 points 4 rebounds and 4 assists in ABA League.

I don't agree with the shooting aspect. Despite not having great shooting %, he's been making some big shots from the games I've seen (his ppg are an indication of the scorer he can be). He shoots 40% from three which is very good. Again, just a thought considering nobody will probably draft him until late second round. He already has NBA range (see video below) and has a shot similar to Kyle Korvers

Here's a break down video of all you need to know about him:

 

[Kingster]

And there are more. I think this is a draft where you can pick for need if you have a very high pick. No one knows who will end up being the best pick of the class and the fit with the team may have as much to do with any player's future as anything. We are presently on schedule for a 20 win season with the tougher part of our schedule in the future as we have only been on the road (if you count GS, Staples, and Portland as the road) for 5 games. I know that the dreaded "T" word is not supposed to be discussed but we are so bad that I am not sure you can tell if this is a deliberate tank or major suckage. In any case, I'd like to have the #1 pick whether it be by bad record or lucky ping pong ball bounce and pick who I want. I suspect even a #6 pick would give us an incredible player. That's all been said before and for some reason people don't seem to understand that all the screw ups of the Maloofian era could be corrected in a major way with one pick.

There will be a whole season in front of the team to help make the decision.

There has to be a trade near the trade deadline to get more picks. I believe I either read in one report (not directly) that the Kings wanted to make a deal for more picks.

 

[KingsCitizen]

IMO, PDA will dive for a big PG in this draft, by personal judgement based on his decision to trade for Vasquez, which didn't perform as expected.
Lavine(if the Westbrook comparison holds water), Exxum, and Smart falls in this bracket and within are drafting range (if folks here remember that we never gets to draft #1 even if those years where we have the highest odds).

 

[Tetsujin]

IMO, PDA will dive for a big PG in this draft, by personal judgement based on his decision to trade for Vasquez, which didn't perform as expected.
Lavine(if the Westbrook comparison holds water), Exxum, and Smart falls in this bracket and within are drafting range (if folks here remember that we never gets to draft #1 even if those years where we have the highest odds).

Smart isn't really a PG though and there's a good chance Lavine doesn't enter the draft this year.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Smart is a PG. Baja and one or two others don't think he is, but I absolutely guarantee he will be a PG in the NBA. Whether you think he'll be good or not is a different issue, but PG will be his position.

 

[bajaden]

Smart is a PG. Baja and one or two others don't think he is, but I absolutely guarantee he will be a PG in the NBA. Whether you think he'll be good or not is a different issue, but PG will be his position.

OK, let me clarify. I do think Smart will be drafted as a PG, and I do think he'll be labeled and play the PG position. That doesn't make him a PG in my mind. But aside from that, if you look at who PDA has targeted for the PG position, Calderon, Vasquez, and now according to rumors Andre Miller, it would appear that their looking for a PG that thinks pass first, and not score first. It would also appear that their looking for an experienced PG. Smart doesn't fit that description. I think their willing to put up with a PG that has a suspect outside shot, if he makes everyone else better. My opinion is, that if you want to draft Smart, then why not just keep Tyreke. I've watched Smart play a ton of times, and I've stopped trying to make myself like players that I just don't like. When I say don't like, I'm talking about fit. Every time I do that, I'm wrong. The reverse is also true. Every time I talk myself out of a player that I do like, he ends up being a good player.

So I'm going with my gut on Smart. My gut tells me no. That doesn't mean he won't be a good player, if on the right team. I just don't think he's a good fit for the Kings. I have Randle down on my list for the same reason. It has nothing to do with Randle's ability, and if he's there and none of my other choices are there, I'm taking Randle. I'll always take the best player available fit or no fit. But if you have 5 or 6 players that are all somewhat equal, then I'm going for fit.

 

[bajaden]

Smart isn't really a PG though and there's a good chance Lavine doesn't enter the draft this year.

So far from what I've seen of Lavine, he really needs to stay in school another year. Secondly, he's done nothing to show me that he's a PG. I think his true position will be SG, and I think just based on what I've seen of him, that he could be a damm good one. Very good athlete with a good looking outside shot. I don't like when he takes it at times, and the distance from where he takes it as well. While I admire his confidence, I would prefer he discriminate a bit more. Right now he looks like a wild stallion full of energy and athletic ability. If he can reign it in a bit, he can be very good. Plus, this is a bad year for him to come out money wise. I know NBA Draft.com has him up very high, but I'll be stunned if he's drafted that high.

 

[Kingster]

I've watched Smart play a ton of times, and I've stopped trying to make myself like players that I just don't like. When I say don't like, I'm talking about fit. Every time I do that, I'm wrong. The reverse is also true. Every time I talk myself out of a player that I do like, he ends up being a good player.

So I'm going with my gut on Smart. My gut tells me no. That doesn't mean he won't be a good player, if on the right team. I just don't think he's a good fit for the Kings. I have Randle down on my list for the same reason. It has nothing to do with Randle's ability, and if he's there and none of my other choices are there, I'm taking Randle. I'll always take the best player available fit or no fit. But if you have 5 or 6 players that are all somewhat equal, then I'm going for fit.

LOL. Go with the flow. Do not resist your unliking. Abide in your unliking. Be at peace with your unliking. You are right in your unliking.

 

[Kingster]

On a scale of one to 10 with 10 being extremely high risk and 1 being incredibly low risk, where does Wiggins rank? And let me define, "risk" in this context. It means the likelihood that he will perform much lower than you would expect of a top 5 pick.

 

[randymoss1881]

On a scale of one to 10 with 10 being extremely high risk and 1 being incredibly low risk, where does Wiggins rank? And let me define, "risk" in this context. It means the likelihood that he will perform much lower than you would expect of a top 5 pick.

I don't know where I would put it but embiid and parker would be light years ahead of him for me. Wiggins can't shoot and can't create for himself I don't give a **** what he did in high school. After saying all that though Sacramento is one of the few lottery teams he would fit perfectly with. Having DMC/Gay he can play SG and concentrate on defense and transition. Where as some other teams want/need him to be a #1 scorer

This is off realgm shows how bad a shooter he is for a wing and Embiids potential:

There are a few very very impressive things with regards to Embiid. The first, is his jumper. While there's a relatively limited sample size, (29 attempts) he's shooting a very very impressive 41.4% from that range. Compare that to Wiggins, a wing player, who's shooting 29% from that range in 62 attempts. To put that into perspective, Embiid would have to go 6 for his next 33 attempts in that range to MATCH Wiggins shooting proficiency there. What's even more exciting about this, is that that ability to step out of the paint, creates space for a guy like Henson who operates in the post. That skill not only makes him an extremely intriguing prospect, but it also makes it much easier to find guys who are able to play next to him. It gives his respective team flexibility when it comes to roster fit. Given his footwork coupled with his ability to step outside, it makes the development of his face up game that much more lethal down the line. - See more at: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1296021&start=645#sthash.MEvPlBXU.dpuf

this is off hoops hype:

This just in: Wiggins is slipping out of contention for No. 1-2. The NBA guys I talk to say that will be Parker and Kansas seven-footer Joel Embiid. At No. 3, Wiggins has yet to separate himself from Kentucky power forward Julius Randle, Australian point guard Dante Exum and, depending on whom you talk to, Arizona forward Aaron Gordon. So Wiggins, whose fame in high school far exceeded Kevin Durant’s at Montrose Christian (it’s in Rockville, Md., if you haven’t heard of it) could miss the top two… or three… or more? “There’s zero chance of any team taking anybody before Jabari Parker,” says an Eastern Conference personnel guy. “And there’s zero chance of any team taking Wiggins before Joel Embiid.”

 

[Kingster]

I don't know where I would put it but embiid and parker would be light years ahead of him for me. Wiggins can't shoot and can't create for himself I don't give a **** what he did in high school. After saying all that though Sacramento is one of the few lottery teams he would fit perfectly with. Having DMC/Gay he can play SG and concentrate on defense and transition. Where as some other teams want/need him to be a #1 scorer

This is off realgm shows how bad a shooter he is for a wing and Embiids potential:

There are a few very very impressive things with regards to Embiid. The first, is his jumper. While there's a relatively limited sample size, (29 attempts) he's shooting a very very impressive 41.4% from that range. Compare that to Wiggins, a wing player, who's shooting 29% from that range in 62 attempts. To put that into perspective, Embiid would have to go 6 for his next 33 attempts in that range to MATCH Wiggins shooting proficiency there. What's even more exciting about this, is that that ability to step out of the paint, creates space for a guy like Henson who operates in the post. That skill not only makes him an extremely intriguing prospect, but it also makes it much easier to find guys who are able to play next to him. It gives his respective team flexibility when it comes to roster fit. Given his footwork coupled with his ability to step outside, it makes the development of his face up game that much more lethal down the line. - See more at: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1296021&start=645#sthash.MEvPlBXU.dpuf

this is off hoops hype:

This just in: Wiggins is slipping out of contention for No. 1-2. The NBA guys I talk to say that will be Parker and Kansas seven-footer Joel Embiid. At No. 3, Wiggins has yet to separate himself from Kentucky power forward Julius Randle, Australian point guard Dante Exum and, depending on whom you talk to, Arizona forward Aaron Gordon. So Wiggins, whose fame in high school far exceeded Kevin Durant’s at Montrose Christian (it’s in Rockville, Md., if you haven’t heard of it) could miss the top two… or three… or more? “There’s zero chance of any team taking anybody before Jabari Parker,” says an Eastern Conference personnel guy. “And there’s zero chance of any team taking Wiggins before Joel Embiid.”

Thanks. Interesting stuff. Maybe Wiggins doesn't even go top 5?

 

[Glenn]

On a scale of one to 10 with 10 being extremely high risk and 1 being incredibly low risk, where does Wiggins rank? And let me define, "risk" in this context. It means the likelihood that he will perform much lower than you would expect of a top 5 pick.

I am not an expert on evaluating college guys and projecting their future success into the NBA. However, I've been fairly correct on my analysis of several drafts and unfortunately I cannot put into clever basketball centered words to describe my ideas. For instance, I saw nothing in TRob in college that projected to the NBA. I knew Jimmer was an outside chance but I don't think the book is closed on Jimmer. I think Jimmer suffered under Smart and let's see how this year plays out. I still think we were right in drafting him but not with the convoluted franchise confusing trade.

I am not as impressed with Wiggins as the rest of the world and never have been. You can check back on any comment I have made about Wiggins. I have been confused as to his notoriety but I see his stock is falling with scouts. Maybe I'm as correct as a person can be in projecting out to the 4th year in the NBA as an example. Embiid on the other hand excites me. Embiid will be fine on defense and will develop that side of his game as the years pass. He doesn't block shots like Unibrow but it certainly seems like he has the potential to be very disruptive on the defensive end. His offensive game is a work in progress and it is progressing very nicely, thank you very much. He is adding to his offensive game. He could be the pick of the draft as we look back 4 years from now. Randle excites me also but perhaps not for the Kings. He is big and quick. The first game I saw him in I thought he had the quickness of DFC and actually was quicker perhaps because he is a couple inches shorter. Randle looks like a can't miss star for someone. The only player in the history of the recent draft to give me a tingle of excitement was DFC. Randle approaches that. If Randle has the competitive fire of DFC, look out world as he is going to be a handful.

Parker is an all around great basketball player although his recent slump seems to be concerning people. It doesn't concern me. He has a little bit of everything in his game and it has disappointed the living doo doo out of me that he has played in the paint on defense. I'd like to know why. Is it because he is elite and they want him to cover for other people's mistakes or are they trying to cover HIS defensive flaws? In any case we haven't been able to see him play an NBA type of defense.

I have never seen Exum but have read the orgasmic descriptions of this 6'6" pg/sg from Australia. Most of what I know comes from bajaden who will probably respond to this with his classical disclaimers as to what he can know but as are the scouts, we have to make decisions on incomplete knowledge and project that incomplete knowledge into the future. A genuine 6'6" pg?? Are you kidding me? I absolutely have to see him play at least once in an international game to say much but will put him into the draft order knowing next to nothing except he is extraordinary.

All could gain an inch in height as they mature physically.

At this point I would place them:

Embiid
Parker
Randle
Wiggins/Exum

I would be very nervous if we had to pick Wiggins. Randle doesn't fit with Cuz but I'd make do with it and hope something could come of it. I really like Randle.

That's 5. I doubt if we will draft in that range but we have the odds to move into the top three. As a quirk to how the ping pong balls are allocated, we have little likelihood of getting the 4th or 5th pick. Go to Wikipedia to understand that.

The only thing I see happening as the months pass is that Wiggins may drop and Embiid move up in other people's mock drafts. I am accounting for that. I see no bust potential like we have learned to expect. At the worst Wiggins may be a semi-bust but I attribute that to what seems to be some passivity much like Rudy Gay. Neither Gay nor Wiggins seem to be cut out to be that dominant #1 guy but might fit in very well with a franchise centering dominant guy. They both are Robins that need a Batman. Gay found his and Wiggins will need to find his. That's a huge guess but just might explain what I am seeing on the court.

Outside of the top 5, I am absolutely cold on Gordon. He is a tweener (I think) and as that has never stood out from the pack. Smart is an enigma to me. Depends on what position he plays. He could be a good pg for us as we don't require as much from our pg as a lot of teams. He is a good shooter and could be a sg but ..... as I said, he is an enigma to me. WCS seems to have a lot of people confused. I think he is a great shot blocker with little offense and maybe even little upside on the offensive side. I think he would look good on the Kings. Vonleh seems to be what we wished JT would be and actually that is a compliment.

To answer the question about Wiggins' bust potential, I would say there is significant chance of a bust in comparison with the other top 4. That wasn't the question, though. In a normal draft, he would be a good top 5 pick. In this draft I think he is a risky pick as there are better to be had.

 

[Gilles]

I think Wiggins is a swingman version of Amare Stoudemire, great all-around finisher, who will have to rely on others or need broken plays to create at first, but will still score in bunches. One thing he has different from Amare is that Wiggins is an excellent defender, and here comes my comparison with Paul George - player with good range, who can create on straight line drives and all kinds of finishes while playing top-notch defense. And Wiggins have enough athleticism to do it as both SG and SF. That still makes him a likely #1, and a sure-fire top-5.

 

[bajaden]

Thanks. Interesting stuff. Maybe Wiggins doesn't even go top 5?

All that stuff is great, but remember, its just someone's opinion, which is no better than mine, in my humble opinion. Lots of humility intended there! To say that Wiggins can't shoot is pure nonsense. To say that his shot needs refined, or improvement, would be correct. Michael Carter-Williams couldn't shoot, and is still struggling with his outside shot. Wiggins is shooting 44.6% overall and 34.0% from the three. While that's nothing to write home about, its not horrible either. I might add that his shooting has been improving since the beginning of the season. He's shot 46.9% overall for his last 12 games. Now if your projecting him as a SG, which I'm not, then his ballhandling needs to improve. But as a SF, where I would play him, his ballhandling is adequate. Athleticly, on a scale of 1 to 10, he's a 10. He needs to get stronger, but right now, he's a defensive force.

Look, this kid has been heralded as a future star for some time. No one, and I mean no one thought he would just walk into the NBA and be an instant force. There are only a few players that I think are NBA ready from the get go, and all those players have different ceilings. I think Cauley-Stein is NBA ready, but his upside is far less than a player like Wiggins. Parker and Randle are both players that I think can have an immediate impact on a team. So pick your poison. 4 years from now, Wiggins may be the best player out of this class. Hell, he may be one of the best players in the NBA. It all depends on him and how good he wants to be. All the tools are there. My biggest question mark with Wiggins is his desire. I'm just not sure how much he wants it. Not saying he doesn't, its just that he doesn't show much emotion, and at times he appears to lack aggression.

Now to be fair, a lot of players that play in Bill Self's system have appeared that way. When your judging a player, you have to take the system he plays in and the players he's playing with into consideration. Some coaches are more restrictive than others. Some systems only play zone defense. How good is the PG on the team, and is he a pass first PG, or a selfish bastard, score first PG. All these things matter. If you had watched Kevin Johnson play at Cal, unless you watched a lot of games, you would have never had any idea how good he really was, because he played under a very restrictive head coach. To just look at some stats on a piece of paper and read a few draft board reviews and think you know something about a player is ridiculous.

 

[bajaden]

I think Wiggins is a swingman version of Amare Stoudemire, great all-around finisher, who will have to rely on others or need broken plays to create at first, but will still score in bunches. One thing he has different from Amare is that Wiggins is an excellent defender, and here comes my comparison with Paul George - player with good range, who can create on straight line drives and all kinds of finishes while playing top-notch defense. And Wiggins have enough athleticism to do it as both SG and SF. That still makes him a likely #1, and a sure-fire top-5.

I think the Paul George/Wiggins comparsion is a good one. Both are top notch athlete's. Both built a reputation in college as being a very good defender. In George's first year at Fresno St. he shot 42.4% overall and 35.3% from the three. At the moment, Wiggins is a little better overall, and slightly less from the three. I'd go so far as to say that Wiggins may be a little better athlete than George, and that's saying quite a bit. George is what Wiggins could, with emphasis on the word Could, become. To say that you don't care what he did in highschool, and I don't mean you, is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Hell, if you don't care about that, then why don't we just go by his last game and throw out everything else.

I'm not here to defend Wiggins or any player, but I would like to keep things logical. Wiggins will be a top 5 pick, and he may well end up being the number one pick before its all said and done. There's a long way to go in the season, and then in the tournament. In the end, it may just come down to an individual team need, as to who is picked first. A team in desperate need of a PG may opt to go with Exum. Or if the need is at PF, they may go with Randle. It could be as simple as that. Personally, I have Parker and Embiid as my one and two, and I keep switching them back and forth almost on a daily basis. Don't be surprised if Vonleh doesn't break into the top 5 by seasons end. The kids upside is ridiculous. My personal top five as of today are:

1. Parker
2. Embiid
3. Wiggins
4. Exum
5. Vonleh

 

[Glenn]

I think the Paul George/Wiggins comparsion is a good one. Both are top notch athlete's. Both built a reputation in college as being a very good defender. In George's first year at Fresno St. he shot 42.4% overall and 35.3% from the three. At the moment, Wiggins is a little better overall, and slightly less from the three. I'd go so far as to say that Wiggins may be a little better athlete than George, and that's saying quite a bit. George is what Wiggins could, with emphasis on the word Could, become. To say that you don't care what he did in highschool, and I don't mean you, is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Hell, if you don't care about that, then why don't we just go by his last game and throw out everything else.

I'm not here to defend Wiggins or any player, but I would like to keep things logical. Wiggins will be a top 5 pick, and he may well end up being the number one pick before its all said and done. There's a long way to go in the season, and then in the tournament. In the end, it may just come down to an individual team need, as to who is picked first. A team in desperate need of a PG may opt to go with Exum. Or if the need is at PF, they may go with Randle. It could be as simple as that. Personally, I have Parker and Embiid as my one and two, and I keep switching them back and forth almost on a daily basis. Don't be surprised if Vonleh doesn't break into the top 5 by seasons end. The kids upside is ridiculous. My personal top five as of today are:

1. Parker
2. Embiid
3. Wiggins
4. Exum
5. Vonleh

No Randle??? That's interesting unless this is a Kings top 5.

 

[Kingster]

Paul George went the 10th pick in the draft. If Wiggins and George were similar in college, why is it that Wiggins appears to be much more heralded than George?

 

[Gilles]

George had an incredible learning curve once he got to the League. His handles were very suspect, shot looked pretty good, and excellent athleticism allowed to project him as a good defender. He was basically an SF version of Mclemore coming out of college, and he exceeded every one of those expectation, and some - by a mile, with his rapid development. Wiggins looks like you can project him at least to a lesser version of NBA Paul George.

 

[bajaden]

Paul George went the 10th pick in the draft. If Wiggins and George were similar in college, why is it that Wiggins appears to be much more heralded than George?

Paul George is one of those players that started to blossom in college. Plus, lets remember, George went to Fresno St. and not Kansas. Players from mid level conferences tend to drop down in the draft as a result. If the draft was redone, Lillard would have gone higher.

 

[Kingster]

George had an incredible learning curve once he got to the League. His handles were very suspect, shot looked pretty good, and excellent athleticism allowed to project him as a good defender. He was basically an SF version of Mclemore coming out of college, and he exceeded every one of those expectation, and some - by a mile, with his rapid development. Wiggins looks like you can project him at least to a lesser version of NBA Paul George.

It sounds like Wiggins is also going to have a very big learning curve in the NBA, don't you think?

 

[bajaden]

It sounds like Wiggins is also going to have a very big learning curve in the NBA, don't you think?

I think Wiggins is going to be a star in the NBA, and it won't take as long as some think. There's nothing wrong with his BBIQ or feel for the game. He's an extremely explosive athlete, that can get to the rim in the bat of an eye. He just needs to be more aggressive, and to tweek a couple of things. I feel the same way about Aaron Gordon, just not as strongly. I think he's going to be very good NBA player. He can come in and play defense right away. He may be the best perimeter guarding big man in college. Yeah, his offense is a little raw, but he's a terrific athlete with a very good attitude. He'll take a little longer than some others, but he'll definitely go top 10, and maybe top 6 or 7. Lest we forget, most of these players are 18 years old. You can't look at them like finished products.

 

[Hallama]

Guys like Wiggins will struggle a bit in college especially against a zone. In the NBA, he will be facing primarily man-to-man and much more space to operate. Watch out. Don't pass on this kid.

I think baja is correct in saying he just needs to tweak and adjust a few things.

Parker is definitely more polished and already looks like an NBA player, but I think Wiggins will eventually pass him after their rook contracts.

 

[Kingster]

I think Wiggins is going to be a star in the NBA, and it won't take as long as some think. There's nothing wrong with his BBIQ or feel for the game. He's an extremely explosive athlete, that can get to the rim in the bat of an eye. He just needs to be more aggressive, and to tweek a couple of things. I feel the same way about Aaron Gordon, just not as strongly. I think he's going to be very good NBA player. He can come in and play defense right away. He may be the best perimeter guarding big man in college. Yeah, his offense is a little raw, but he's a terrific athlete with a very good attitude. He'll take a little longer than some others, but he'll definitely go top 10, and maybe top 6 or 7. Lest we forget, most of these players are 18 years old. You can't look at them like finished products.

Wow. That's high praise. Can you think of anyone he's somewhat similar to in the NBA?

 

[Tetsujin]

Wow. That's high praise. Can you think of anyone he's somewhat similar to in the NBA?

Everyone likes to compare him to Blake Griffin but he's not as explosive (though lets remember Blake wasn't as explosive a finisher in college as he is in the NBA). I'd say that he's a better defender than Blake but that's also not much of a ringing endorsement because Blake Griffin isn't exactly an example of a great defensive stud.

 

[Kingster]

I saw both Parker and Wiggins play over the weekend (More Parker than Wiggins). Parker was having to take some tough guarded shots that were beyond the 3 point line. I think some people have talked about a Paul Pierce comparison to Parker. Well, unfortunately, I'm old enough to have seen Pierce in college, and because of a debate about how good Pierce was going to be, I paid particular attention to him. I personally don't see Parker in his class athletically. The Paul Pierce of recent years, yes, but in his early years Pierce could get to wherever he wanted on the floor pretty much anytime he wanted. He was very quick and fluid. I haven't really seen that from Parker. Maybe Parker is hitting the "wall" that they were talking about and that's why he's settling for outside jumpers. I dunno. It's just something I'm going to keep an eye on from here on out.

As for Wiggins, the knock has been his outside shot, and sure enough he lit it up from the 3 point line. Nice to see.

 

[Gilles]

Everyone likes to compare him to Blake Griffin but he's not as explosive (though lets remember Blake wasn't as explosive a finisher in college as he is in the NBA). I'd say that he's a better defender than Blake but that's also not much of a ringing endorsement because Blake Griffin isn't exactly an example of a great defensive stud.

Gordon doesn't handle the ball anywhere close to Blake's level. Granted, I'm talking sophomore Griffin, but still the gap is big.
Vonleh is now hitting 6-7 from outside over the last 5 games, drawing fouls in bunches (6.1ftpg with .728 from FT line, top-10 in the entire Division I in FTs per 40 minutes). Went to watch, what DX have on him, and in an interview he said about being point-forward. Indiana is relying heavily on Yogi Ferrell as far as creativity goes, so he certainly doesn't handle the ball enough to showcase handles/passing, but having that from PF spot is always helpful.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Lets say we get a pick from 5-12
Kings have a chance still to get
5: Dante Exum
12: Cauley Stein

It's a win-win

Getting a 7th pick would be more tricky in my opion cause then you might opt for an Aaron Gordon

Dario Saric is another interesting option albeit he's another Derrick Williams in my opion with regards to playing the 3-4 so he brings no defense to our team.

Exum would be perfect really