http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...dy-gay-trade-means-for-toronto-and-sacramento
Discuss amongst yourselves.
Very harsh.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
Very harsh.
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I don't think that's really fair. Gay is one of the leading rebounders, bpg, and spg at the SF position in the NBA.
Otherwise, Lowe took the negative side slant for his article. We all know about Gay's weaknesses at the moment, so no real surprises in his article. I agree IT + Gay + Cousins is a problem that needs to be worked out. But here's hoping a scenery change + Malone's vision turns Gay's career around.
Anybody else think Gay + Williams is a disaster waiting to happen if they start together? Not sure that would last long, or even happen in the first place. We'll see. Landry could also end up in that starting PF role, especially with Gay's size at SF.
Otherwise, Lowe took the negative side slant for his article. We all know about Gay's weaknesses at the moment, so no real surprises in his article. I agree IT + Gay + Cousins is a problem that needs to be worked out. But here's hoping a scenery change + Malone's vision turns Gay's career around.
Anybody else think Gay + Williams is a disaster waiting to happen if they start together? Not sure that would last long, or even happen in the first place. We'll see. Landry could also end up in that starting PF role, especially with Gay's size at SF.
It does indeed lack vision. Weirdly so.
Rudy Gay has one more year left. It's not a huge commitment. All the types of FAs that would be open to Sacramento are in the same Free Agent class as Rudy Gay (and DWill). Also, large expirings are worth more than smaller, middle expirings and mid-range contracts for role players. The Kings gave up very little and what they gave up is actually harder to get value for in trade.
Rudy Gay has one more year left. It's not a huge commitment. All the types of FAs that would be open to Sacramento are in the same Free Agent class as Rudy Gay (and DWill). Also, large expirings are worth more than smaller, middle expirings and mid-range contracts for role players. The Kings gave up very little and what they gave up is actually harder to get value for in trade.
Nothing in that article is incorrect, it also isn't harsh. This is what I was talking about yesterday when everyone was dismissing what I was saying.
He even does say there is a chance that it could work, but a small one. Which is how I think most people see it. It's a low risk, high reward move. The only major issue with this move is if Gay and Cousins can't coexist and we take a step backwards with Cuz.
He even does say there is a chance that it could work, but a small one. Which is how I think most people see it. It's a low risk, high reward move. The only major issue with this move is if Gay and Cousins can't coexist and we take a step backwards with Cuz.
Agree, somewhat. Yes, it's nice that there are advanced stats to show us that Gay is performing inefficiently on offense this season, but the analysis lacks a deeper diagnosis on exactly why that is happening and whether he will continue to perform that way on a new team.
I'm not sure you can call that a weakness of the "analytics movement" across the board, though. Tom Ziller has a nice write up on sbnation today (link here) that seeks exactly to do what we're talking about--trying to examine the cause of the inefficiency rather than just identify its existence. The entire article is worth a look, but his ultimate take away is that Gay's lack of efficiency is due to either his shoulder (bad for the Kings) or when his usage rises above 25% (potentially fixable).
I'm not sure you can call that a weakness of the "analytics movement" across the board, though. Tom Ziller has a nice write up on sbnation today (link here) that seeks exactly to do what we're talking about--trying to examine the cause of the inefficiency rather than just identify its existence. The entire article is worth a look, but his ultimate take away is that Gay's lack of efficiency is due to either his shoulder (bad for the Kings) or when his usage rises above 25% (potentially fixable).
I find hilarious that Lowe is quick to statistically point out everything wrong with Gay's game and refuses to acknowledge that we did the following: 1. Gave up 4 highly unproductive players. 2. Sent none of our possible future guys in the deal (Cuz, IT, McLemore, Williams). 3. Did no harm to our future cap plans as we had no space this upcoming off-season anyway.
I usually like Lowe's stuff, but this is just more of national writers not having a clue of what's going on in Sacramento.
I usually like Lowe's stuff, but this is just more of national writers not having a clue of what's going on in Sacramento.
I agree with your post, I thought the article wasn't harsh at all. The harshest comment, about Sac being a place where players go to die, has been true over the past several years. The only downside of this trade is the potential cap situation going into the off season, but there is going to be more trades which will rectify that situation. The new FO has a great understanding of the cap, and having a 19 mil. ender next season isn't a bad problem to have. Like you said, the only issue is whether Cousins gets pouty with Gay around, but if Gay helps win games at the end of the 4th quarter (very iffy that happens), it could also help Cousins. He has to be sick of losing by now, winning cures a lot.
Another interesting read, echoing the assessment that fewer looks may result in better results for Gay: http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2013/12/09/the-rudy-gay-bias/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Then you have to be fair to PDA and realize he had nothing to do with getting salmons, Hayes, or ppat. He got Vazquez as a throw in when losing tyreke anyway, flipped him and a pile for a more than legit sf, a glaring hole on this team.
And ujiri dumped salary, but did take on Hayes, so not quite 19 million. And got spare parts. Hayes and salmons are basically done as players. GV is a backup that moves like he's 40, , and ppat is shooting himself out of the league at the moment.
And ujiri dumped salary, but did take on Hayes, so not quite 19 million. And got spare parts. Hayes and salmons are basically done as players. GV is a backup that moves like he's 40, , and ppat is shooting himself out of the league at the moment.
well, you mentioned what Toronto originally traded for him, which has very little bearing on their perspective now, seeing as how the guy that made that trade was rightfully fired, for, amongst other reasons, actually giving up things of value for Rudy Gay. it's not Ujiri's fault that Colangelo was a panicky idiot.