Kings active in trade talks?
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Really? Every one of those players (even the sad excuses for options) have been more successful that DWill so far in his career. I'm not suggesting he doesn't have the talent to be better. But we just lost an extremely valuable piece for someone that currently isn't better than any other option we have at SF.
And on the Wolves, he's been largely unused, having apparently gotten into Adelman's doghouse early on. (Remember that doghouse? Kevin Martin got stuck in it for a while and missed out on even being included on our playoff roster his first year out...)
I'm not saying Williams will be the best thing since sliced bread, but this isn't the worst deal ever made and could just pay dividends. Everybody wanted PDA to make moves and now, when he makes possibly the only deal he's been able to get someone else to agree to, the first thing Kings fans (or at least some of them) do is poopoo on it?
Yeah, let's keep Luc and everybody else. We'll trade Salmons for Lebron, and Hayes for Joaquim Noah...
I'm not saying Williams will be the best thing since sliced bread, but this isn't the worst deal ever made and could just pay dividends. Everybody wanted PDA to make moves and now, when he makes possibly the only deal he's been able to get someone else to agree to, the first thing Kings fans (or at least some of them) do is poopoo on it?
Yeah, let's keep Luc and everybody else. We'll trade Salmons for Lebron, and Hayes for Joaquim Noah...
In what way? His per 36 numbers look like John Salmons from the last couple of years and worse than Outlaws. Not saying he isn't a more valuable player or that he doesn't have far more potential but tell me how his current performance makes him a far better option than our guys, which was the point SacTownFan made?
Shelden Williams = Top 5 pick
Did not work out at all. This guy is a shot in the dark from what he has done in Minnesota. It is just a position thing. He is more of a small PF, thats when he does the most damage if you see his highlights. He can not shoot that well and can not defend that well. Why did we grab him?
Did not work out at all. This guy is a shot in the dark from what he has done in Minnesota. It is just a position thing. He is more of a small PF, thats when he does the most damage if you see his highlights. He can not shoot that well and can not defend that well. Why did we grab him?
I understood your point but I just disagree.
This team has been the worst in the league in terms of defense, bball iq and teamwork for years. A guy that excels at those things is of enormous value to a rebuilding team. People watch and pick up his habits. They work harder. They share more. It doesn't mean he's untouchable in trades, but he's one of the last people I'd look to trade for potential alone.
This team has been the worst in the league in terms of defense, bball iq and teamwork for years. A guy that excels at those things is of enormous value to a rebuilding team. People watch and pick up his habits. They work harder. They share more. It doesn't mean he's untouchable in trades, but he's one of the last people I'd look to trade for potential alone.
Absurd. By that logic, Luc has won more in his career than Williams so we should't have made the trade?
We do need talent but we also need a culture change. If Williams was playing up to his potential I'd have no issues with this trade. But we added unrealized talent at the exception of the one player that embodies the right culture.
We do need talent but we also need a culture change. If Williams was playing up to his potential I'd have no issues with this trade. But we added unrealized talent at the exception of the one player that embodies the right culture.
That's not even close to what I said. Williams ceiling is higher. Luc is a very good role player. Role players are expendable. Players with potential star talent are not. We have few movable pieces to get something of value in return. As a result, we have to take chances. We could collect a team full of LRMAM's and still not be good enough to make the playoffs. I'm saying this even though I think highly of Luc and what he brings. I just don't think he's untouchable or the missing piece to our championship aspirations.
Williams has upside, maybe, depending on how purple your glasses are and how loosely you use the word "potential", but our defense just took a hit. We've heard for months now how we're going to be a franchise who values defense, that's the important end of the floor, yet here we are making yet another non-defensive deal and a deal which on the face of it sets us back a decent amount on that end of the floor.
Williams is not a good defender. He's soft. Not good on the glass. Not much of a presence out there at all. Mbah filled a specific role for us, one we hadn't been able to fill for years and was getting better and better at it. Now we've got that same hole again. Even if Williams starts shooting the ball better than he has since drafted and starts shooting 38% from 3 and helps spread the floor, we've still attempted to fix one problem by creating yet another. We'll be worse defensively. A Vasquez/MLM/Williams trio on the perimeter would likely be well below average on that end, the end which we keep being told is the priority. Defense first. Well, this move along with previous transactions clearly suggests otherwise.
It's not just about talent, it's also about the role(s) you can fill. Mbah filled a very valuable role, not only on our team but a role many playoff teams have. A physical, above average defender on the wing who moves the ball and doesn't take bad shots, stays out of the way. Many times more talent actually does less for the team. My biggest issue with this move is Mbah plays a style that succeeds in the playoffs and fills a role which needs to be filled to get to the playoffs. IMO even if Williams shows some of his talent and improves some, it's not a role we need filled nearly as bad. A soft, perimeter shooter. That's not a blueprint for success, not when you give up a defender of Mbah's caliber for it.
There's a reason Minn, a team heading towards the playoffs, wanted Mbah but wanted nothing to do with Williams. Role being filled was greater than actual talent lost.
Williams is not a good defender. He's soft. Not good on the glass. Not much of a presence out there at all. Mbah filled a specific role for us, one we hadn't been able to fill for years and was getting better and better at it. Now we've got that same hole again. Even if Williams starts shooting the ball better than he has since drafted and starts shooting 38% from 3 and helps spread the floor, we've still attempted to fix one problem by creating yet another. We'll be worse defensively. A Vasquez/MLM/Williams trio on the perimeter would likely be well below average on that end, the end which we keep being told is the priority. Defense first. Well, this move along with previous transactions clearly suggests otherwise.
It's not just about talent, it's also about the role(s) you can fill. Mbah filled a very valuable role, not only on our team but a role many playoff teams have. A physical, above average defender on the wing who moves the ball and doesn't take bad shots, stays out of the way. Many times more talent actually does less for the team. My biggest issue with this move is Mbah plays a style that succeeds in the playoffs and fills a role which needs to be filled to get to the playoffs. IMO even if Williams shows some of his talent and improves some, it's not a role we need filled nearly as bad. A soft, perimeter shooter. That's not a blueprint for success, not when you give up a defender of Mbah's caliber for it.
There's a reason Minn, a team heading towards the playoffs, wanted Mbah but wanted nothing to do with Williams. Role being filled was greater than actual talent lost.
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I'm disappointed at the moment, because Moute has been my favorite player on the team.
When you talk about "role players", you have to follow that up with defining what that role actually is..and how important it is. Moute is one of the only guys in the NBA who can gaurd positions 1-4 and take an opponents best player out of their comfort zone. That's an extremely important "role" in my opinion
When you talk about "role players", you have to follow that up with defining what that role actually is..and how important it is. Moute is one of the only guys in the NBA who can gaurd positions 1-4 and take an opponents best player out of their comfort zone. That's an extremely important "role" in my opinion
I think the purple colored glasses part are the Kings fans who think that LRMAM was going to turn the franchise around. Or ones who think we can trade Fredette, Hayes or Thornton and actually get something. All the positives that people are listing about LRMAM are the exact reasons why he has trade value.
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